DEMOCRACY NOW: tapes reveal US backing coup in Ukraine
Some of our corporate Democrat friends here screamed conspiracy theory when anyone suggested the US had a hand in the violence in the Ukraine and Venezuela, but leaked tapes have shown US diplomats choreographing ways to "midwife" the outcome they wanted and micromanaging down to the level of who should be included in the new government and who shouldn't, deciding between our favorite candidate and Germany's Angela Merkel's.
I've gone a little over the four paragraph limit, but our tax dollars paid for all but the last paragraph.
The speakers are the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, and Victoria Nuland, the top U.S. diplomat for Europe.
Do we want our diplomats trying to dismember Russia to the point that it starts a new Cold War?
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GEOFFREY PYATT: Let me work on Klitschko, and if you can just keepI think we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. Then the other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych, but we can probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.
VICTORIA NULAND: So, on that piece, Geoff, when I wrote the note, Sullivans come back to me VFR saying, "You need Biden?" And I said, "Probably tomorrow for an attaboy and to get the deets to stick." So Bidens willing.
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VICTORIA NULAND: Good. So, I dont think Klitsch should go into the government. I dont think its necessary. I dont think its a good idea.
GEOFFREY PYATT: Yeah. I mean, I guess, you thinkin terms of him not going into the government, just let him sort of stay out and do his political homework and stuff. Im just thinking, in terms of sort of the process moving ahead, we want to keep the moderate democrats together. The problem is going to be Tyahnybok and his guys. And, you know, Im sure thats part of what Yanukovych is calculating on all of this. I kind of
VICTORIA NULAND: I thinkI think Yats is the guy whos got the economic experience, the governing experience. Hes the guyyou know, what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week. You know, I just think Klitsch going in, hes going to be at that level working for Yatsenyuk. Its just not going to work.
STEPHEN COHEN: All right. And notice the intimacy with which the Americans deal with the two leading so-called "moderate"and these are big shots, they both want to be presidentUkrainian opposition. Klitschko is Vitali Klitschko, a six-foot-eight formerhe resigned his title two months ago to enter politicsheavyweight champion of the world. His residence has been UkraineI mean, Germany. He playshe pays taxes in Germany. Hes a project of Merkel. He represents German interests. Im sure hes also faithful to Ukraine, but hes got a problem. Yatsenyuk, howevernot Yatsenyuk, but the other guy she calls "Yats" is a representative of the Fatherland Party. Its a big party in Parliament. But Washington likes him a lot. They think hell be our man. So you could see what theyre saying. We dont quite trust Klitschko. Now, if you want to get esoteric, thats the tug between Washington and Berlin. Theyre not happy with Merkel, the chancellor of Germany. They dont like the role Merkel is playing, generally. They think Germany has gotten too big for its britches. They want to cut Merkel down. So you noticed Klitschko, the boxer, is Merkels proxy, or at least shes backing him. You notice that they say, "Hes not ready for prime time. Let him do his homework."
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/2/20/a_new_cold_war_ukraine_violence
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
rafeh1
(385 posts)kerry ran the Egyptian coup to perfection. Complete plausible deniability. even compared himself to Kissinger at the end.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)I'd like to cite it when taking to others.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Moscow is pulling strings on their end to control the outcome, and Washington is doing the same...
yurbud
(39,405 posts)and you'll see what I was talking about.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)"attaboy"
penultimate
(1,110 posts)and possibly looking for ways to help influence the outcome. This seems like standard politics that has played out since governments have been around. Based on this, I'm still not convinced that this points to the US orchestrating everything.