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EarlG

(21,894 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:40 PM Mar 2013

Pic Of The Moment: So Dems Will Pay A Political Price For Supporting Background Checks, Huh?



Overwhelming support for background checks in new poll


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Pic Of The Moment: So Dems Will Pay A Political Price For Supporting Background Checks, Huh? (Original Post) EarlG Mar 2013 OP
I'm so pissed off at Harry Reid, I could just explode. lark Mar 2013 #1
Spineless jellyfish. We need a new leader and I nominate Al Franken. AAO Mar 2013 #2
+1 progressoid Mar 2013 #4
Sold! truebluegreen Mar 2013 #5
second retired rooster Mar 2013 #14
+1 love_katz Mar 2013 #16
People don't realize how FN serious this is. Reid MUST be bought by the special interests. AAO Mar 2013 #32
This is a House issue at this time. Gore1FL Mar 2013 #17
Then what's all the talk from Diane Fienstein lark Mar 2013 #28
That's not what this thread was about. Gore1FL Mar 2013 #30
the NRA bubble. pansypoo53219 Mar 2013 #3
The problem is, this isn't the main issue for most voters n2doc Mar 2013 #6
If Democrats titanicdave Mar 2013 #7
What do voters have to do with what the gun lobby wants? nt valerief Mar 2013 #8
Ban the NRA from Congress ReRe Mar 2013 #9
We tried that... bobclark86 Mar 2013 #10
Really, there's no excuse to not push through background checks AndyA Mar 2013 #11
Dems Will Pay A Political Price For Supporting Background Checks Flashmann Mar 2013 #12
Thanks EarlG! Cha Mar 2013 #13
Democrats do not understand the concept of "strategy" JackHughes Mar 2013 #15
Golly gosh, imagine the backlash if we supported increasing social security too! grahamhgreen Mar 2013 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author rainy Mar 2013 #19
recommended! Bill USA Mar 2013 #20
wow oldandhappy Mar 2013 #21
The polls can show overwhelming support fredzachmane Mar 2013 #22
Can you name a House or Senate race in the last century nonoyes Mar 2013 #24
The 95% is irrelevant. Only 60% of eligible voters show up. fredzachmane Mar 2013 #27
You look at things in a rather simplistic singular way. nonoyes Mar 2013 #29
I care about solutions fredzachmane Mar 2013 #35
You "care about solutions" but offer none nonoyes Mar 2013 #36
Thank you for posting this. nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #37
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #23
Background checks are coming!...... rdharma Mar 2013 #25
K&R SunSeeker Mar 2013 #26
Hey everyone, check this out below Tx4obama Mar 2013 #31
"I have a CCW and can give you a gift of a gun, and HockeyMom Mar 2013 #33
I like the numbers if anyone shows ld fear it might be repubs. Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #34
Ignore the NRA fora moment... the political price is for the other proposals that are out there iiibbb Mar 2013 #38
Kick, Rec. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #39
Why Give up your right because of FEAR.... DreamSmoker Mar 2013 #40
The Hysteria From The Right in Colorado otohara Mar 2013 #41

lark

(23,003 posts)
1. I'm so pissed off at Harry Reid, I could just explode.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 12:56 PM
Mar 2013

With turncoat Dems like him, Repugs can just sit back and let him do their dirty work.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
5. Sold!
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:31 PM
Mar 2013

edited to add: as a special bonus it would finally cause O'Reilly's over-sized head to explode.

love_katz

(2,562 posts)
16. +1
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 03:21 PM
Mar 2013

Seconding the nomination of Al Franken!

And, yeah, let's throw the traitor Dems who seem to be wolves in sheeps clothing overboard. Buh bye, don't let the door knob hit ya, and all that.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
32. People don't realize how FN serious this is. Reid MUST be bought by the special interests.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 06:46 PM
Mar 2013

We need an unbought progressive to step up to the plate. Are there any left?

lark

(23,003 posts)
28. Then what's all the talk from Diane Fienstein
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:40 PM
Mar 2013

that Harry Reid refused to let her ban on assault weapons come up for a vote?

Gore1FL

(21,031 posts)
30. That's not what this thread was about.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:29 PM
Mar 2013

This is about the GOP opposition to background checks. The vote is in the House.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
6. The problem is, this isn't the main issue for most voters
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:35 PM
Mar 2013

Most voters care about other issues more, like the economy. A small subset of voters care only about gun rights, and so they have an outsized voice. Given that many elections only are decided by 10% or less, a small subset of fanatical voters can hold a large influence.

titanicdave

(429 posts)
7. If Democrats
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:41 PM
Mar 2013

do indeed pay a price, it will be chump change and the value coming back will be very high and substantial.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
9. Ban the NRA from Congress
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:53 PM
Mar 2013

No more support from the NRA to any elected government official. Let the chips fall where they may. No more quid pro quot. No more legislation written by the NRA.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
11. Really, there's no excuse to not push through background checks
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 02:21 PM
Mar 2013

Support is strong and growing stronger. Failure to pass legislation falls solely on the leaders, who either don't want background checks but can't admit it due to public opinion, or they've made promises to the NRA and gun manufacturers that they won't do it.

Either way, they are NOT representing the people, and should be removed from office. Reid particularly seems unsure of what to do. He always has an excuse, and America is tired of excuses from a do nothing Congress who isn't doing the work of the people. Enough already.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
12. Dems Will Pay A Political Price For Supporting Background Checks
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 02:50 PM
Mar 2013

So.....The people up in arms,(pardon the pun,not intended) over background checks and will,because of it,NOT vote Dem are in large measure those who won't vote Dem anyway??..

Whatever will we do?!?!

JackHughes

(166 posts)
15. Democrats do not understand the concept of "strategy"
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 03:08 PM
Mar 2013

If Senate Democrats actually understood the concept of "strategy," and acted as if they were actually members of a political party, they would not only bring universal background checks to a vote -- they would include an assault weapon ban in the bill -- and dare Republicans to vote against it.

Republicans being Republicans would naturally vote against it and Democrats would be able to make them eat that vote -- forcing them to explain over and over again why they voted against universal background checks -- until the 2014 mid-terms.

But as we have seen time and again, Senate Democrats do not act like members of a national political party and do not understand the concept of "strategy."

Response to EarlG (Original post)

 

fredzachmane

(85 posts)
22. The polls can show overwhelming support
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:07 PM
Mar 2013

and it DOES NOT matter. Pro guns people turn out to vote for that ONE issue, pro gun regulation voters do not. Having 90% of people support something is irrelevant if the 10% against it are the ones who show up at the polls.

 

nonoyes

(261 posts)
24. Can you name a House or Senate race in the last century
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:19 PM
Mar 2013

with less than 21% voter turnout?

And of the less than 10% opposed to background checks, in which House and Senate elections in the last century did ALL of them show up to vote.

By the way, did you notice that one of those 95% polls was of GUN OWNERS?

Your claims are just mathematically preposterous.

 

fredzachmane

(85 posts)
27. The 95% is irrelevant. Only 60% of eligible voters show up.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:30 PM
Mar 2013

The "math" was an illustration, not a science experiment. I'm saying pro guns voters will vote that single issue, pro regulation folks may answer a poll in support of more gun laws, but when they show up to vote it is a minor factor in their vote. I apologize for daring to bring reality into an emotional discussion, but if we ever want tighter regulation on guns we must address the fact that the people on the pro guns side actually care enough about the issue to turn out, and the people in favor of regulation do not. Politicians love money, but they love power more. Do you really think they would have halted the AWB if it would gain them votes?

 

nonoyes

(261 posts)
29. You look at things in a rather simplistic singular way.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:27 PM
Mar 2013

I wish I had your skill for platitudes, speculation, and coming to conclusions based upon only one or two facts, when the polling numbers have moved so far, so fast.

I also see that you have not been following the pulse of the American people much, since the last fall's election, when the will of the people, Republican, Democrat, and independent voter alike, was rather well-defined: they wanted Congres to work together to get things done. And then the Sandy Hook chlid massacre took place in December, after the Aurora, Colorado massacre in the summer, and after the Sikh massacre outside Minneapolis.

People can only take so much before they get fed up and want Congress to act responsibly on gun registration, including that 95% of PA gun owners in the most recent survery listed above shows. They all want background checks, Repbulican voters, Democratic Voters, Independent voters, gun owners and non-owners, 90+% of these people, nationwide.

People will vote for candidates in 2014 on other issues IF mandatory backgound checks are already in place 18 months from now.
People will NOT vote for a Republican because the Dem in office voted for background checks, they will vote for other reasons

This NRA mythology strategy of scaring Democractic voters to NOT support background checks in 2013, (as the NRA and LaPierre, himself supported ON TAPE in 1999), that mythical horse-manure the NRA is putting out there to scare some Dems away from supporting mandatory universal background checks, you seem to be eating it up that sh*T.

But keep your opinions steady, the events around the world From 1994 and up to 2004, (when the AWB was not renewed), were dramatically changed in 2001, on September 11, and under Bush's regime, everybody learned to fear anyone different from themselves. So the need for AWB was not very important in 2004, everybody that ever wanted a gun, wanted a bigger gun then, and America's NRA was only too eager to increase big gun sales, and paid Congress well for letting the law expire.

As someone said earlier today, the NRA was worried for a while that Congress might actually DO something on guns, but that fear is quickly subsiding, given the typical cowardly avoidance of action of our current Congress.

As Rachel says, 90% of Americans in a poll is a HUGE number, not even 90% of Americans like pizza or vacations!


 

fredzachmane

(85 posts)
35. I care about solutions
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:43 PM
Mar 2013

not feel good legislation that accomplishes nothing but making it hard for us to gain seats. Even if universal check gets passed. Most mass murderers do not have criminal records or a history of psychiatric hospitalization until the shooting. The last 3 high profile shooters could all pass the background checks being proposed. For it to have any impact the law would have to be massively expanded..how far should we go? Ever felt depressed? No 2A for you. Ever taken medication from this list? No 2A for you. Oops lanza stole his mothers guns...have a family treated for mental illness, depression, anxiety? No 2A for you. Neighbor think your a "loner who seems odd" No rights for you. In order to enforce stricter mental health restrictions we will have to surrender access to our health/psychiatric records and/or turn docs into spies. We already have problems getting people to seek help who need it, how many more people won't seek treatment for fear of going on some list? Universal checks will accomplish NOTHING concerning gun violence. Its a bs way of making the masses think their rulers did something. & the NRA bogyman is a myth. NRA spent less than 3 million in 2012 in campaigns that involved billions. They were outspent by AARP, ACLU, and nearly every union in the country. Blaming the NRA lobby is a way for politicians who are COWARDS to say "no, no, dont be mad at me HEY LOOK OVER THERE"

 

nonoyes

(261 posts)
36. You "care about solutions" but offer none
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:56 PM
Mar 2013

So a "2A" is a license to carry a gun? Like similar laws with different names in Canada, England, Fance, Germany, yes even in Israel where over 50% of families own a gun?

What the heck is wrong with that?

So you have no solutions, and will just "stand by" for the next 30 or 50 or 100 people to die, (which, I agree, they will, probably before next Monday), and shrug your shoulders and say that you "care about solutions", but have none to offer.

If you're not part of the solution, brother, you're part of the problem.

No, of course, as Michael Moore says, banning guns from getting in the hands of a few hundred or a few thousand or a few hundred thousand individuals in America will NOT stop the problem, (yes, he agrees with you, partly), but YOU don't offer us any other steps, you just lecture on about people who were depressed not getting a gun because they were depressed once.. big fucking deal. You DO know that the number of documented suicides each and every year EXCEEDS the number of murders, you DID know that, right? You DID know that suicide by gun is an over 90% effective way to commit suicide, right? (Compared to about 40% for drug overdoses, 45% for hangings, 64% for jumping). You DO know that survivors of unsuccessful suicide attempts come back strong anti-gun advocates, right?

Life is a gift, brother, the only "gift" from whatever created you will ever "give" you; will ever give ANY of us alive on this planet at this moment today. Please stop advocating for ways to keep it "freedom" for people to have easier ways to end it, in the name of the "Second Amendment" to some Constitution, in one of 50 some modern democracies now governing people in the world today. Please don't push YOUR FREEDOMS above people's abilities to live a quality of life. Please reconsider what you're standing for here, making sure people have rather illogical, nonsensical rights to guns next to them at all times under all circumstances, guns that were designed for one purpose, and one purpose alone: to end life. We should be as careful as to whom we entrust the right to hold a gun as we are to those we give the right to put us asleep on an operating table and take out our appendix.

Please reread this when your brain is thinking in a more rational fashion, you seem hell-bent hung-up on your own personal unlimited freedoms, and selfishly NOT considering anyone else, and the shoes those kids in Sandy Hook walked to school in that day. Your "Second Amendment freedoms" are more important to you, then those kids, than is any use of your rational brain power to reconsider that "freedom" and make reasonable "shouting fire in a crowded theater" adjustments to that freedom.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
33. "I have a CCW and can give you a gift of a gun, and
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:50 PM
Mar 2013

you won't have to wait to go through a background check". Quote from my husband. Until this is addressed, big loophole for "universal" background checks.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
34. I like the numbers if anyone shows ld fear it might be repubs.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:01 PM
Mar 2013

In recent years the repubs are guns guns guns. Those who do not vote for background checks will have targets on themselves. I am waiting, but think Crazy Cruz, Cronyn and Culberson will vote wrong on this but it should be time for them to read polls and see the % who wants the background checks. I can still hope.

 

iiibbb

(1,448 posts)
38. Ignore the NRA fora moment... the political price is for the other proposals that are out there
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 09:58 AM
Mar 2013

such as Feinsteins' new AWB or the NY SAFE act, and an unwillingness of some Democrats to decouple those strategies from universal background checks.

It paints the whole party.

As the polls and the OP show, almost everyone is for universal background checks; if it were just that the hackles wouldn't have been raised so far and so fast.

Plus consider than gun owners are portrayed so negatively in the press, and yea, in DU... why would gun owners feel compelled to cooperate?

DreamSmoker

(841 posts)
40. Why Give up your right because of FEAR....
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 12:54 PM
Mar 2013

Fear put the Patriot Act solidly into place..
Got our Internet and everything you post Monitored by the Feds..
Ridiculous lines in Airports for security body checks of 100 % all Passengers..
Feds can detain you indefinitely without a trial if suspected of terrorism..

Now we are right back to the Clinton Era on the Guns again...
This push now is based on pure fear tactics.. Not Facts and the truth..

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
41. The Hysteria From The Right in Colorado
Sun Mar 24, 2013, 08:27 PM
Mar 2013

was loud, but few. Still, it was enough for
all of the Dem lawmakers and Governor Hickenlooper to get extra security.

I'll never forget the long pause and look on Hickenlooper's face before he signed it.

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