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(12,712 posts)I can feel the bullet of devotion as if it were piercing my heart ... ah wait.
dmr
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(51,122 posts)siligut
(12,272 posts)This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny. We are marching to mark the high water mark of government & to turn the tide. This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Should we meet physical resistance, we will peacefully turn back, having shown that free people are not welcome in Washington, & returning with the resolve that the politicians, bureaucrats, & enforcers of the federal government will not be welcome in the land of the free.
Theres a remote chance that there will be violence as there has been from government before, and I think it should be clear that if anyone involved in this event is approached respectfully by agents of the state, they will submit to arrest without resisting. We are truly saying in the SUBTLEST way possible that we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees.
Subtle? More like stupid. He makes it sound like a gun parade, but then says it is an act of civil disobedience.
Intimidating mothers against gun violence with guns? Is there anything that guns can't do?
Walk away
(9,494 posts)I'm sorry. I live in civilization so no one openly carries guns around except police or a few security people with special licenses. It is (thankfully) difficult to get a license here. I visited a friend in Texas a few years ago and it looked like a 3rd word country. People were armed to the teeth to go out to lunch.
Would these nut bags actually be able to carry their guns through the streets of the nations capitol?
siligut
(12,272 posts)http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/05/1965191/open-carry-washington-march/
So, they are carrying loaded guns and they are doing it illegally. This is a poke at the gubment.
You live in civilization? I am envious, but seriously Texas is not a good example of a US state.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)and not allowed to protest
I doubt they will arrest these "freedom luvin folks" but they get tons of press and will be on the nightly national news and there will be media talk about these 900 or <
Much more than given to Occupy
Hope i am wrong
siligut
(12,272 posts)Law enforcement is different in DC, but you're thinking is correct. Won't it be interesting to see how on earth the media can make this gun-toting action not appear to be the idiotic lunacy that it is?
But seriously, it is probably all bluster. He says he wants 10,000 (critical mass ) and he has almost 900 now.
alp227
(32,005 posts)Who knew RT had an "Obama gonna take away our guns" type?
siligut
(12,272 posts)Guns are a popular topic right now, lots of money and attention surrounding the subject.
Kokesh has a colorful, though sketchy history and is strong on self-promotion. He is flying a little too close to the sun now and if this thing actually comes off, which I doubt, it will make or break him.
mwooldri
(10,299 posts)A "well regulated militia" will be there to welcome them. If Wikipedia is to be believed, then the creators of the 2nd Amendment were influenced by the 1689 English Bill of Rights to overturn James II's law that disbarred Protestants from having armaments. I think that was the intent... not how it has been perverted to be.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)From my time in the Air National Guard, this sounds a hell of a lot like INSURRECTION...which the National Guard (Army and Air) is trained to suppress.
The District of Columbia Guard is unique in having the President as both its Federal and "State" Commander-In-Chief.
I've had some RW kooks say that the Guard would "join the patriots"...they apparently don't know of the oath members of the military are required to take, or Art. 94 UCMJ:
Text.
(a) "Any person subject to this chapter who--
(1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuse, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;
(2) with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;
(3) fails to do his utmost to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition being committed in his presence, or fails to take all reasonable means to inform his superior commissioned officer or commanding officer of a mutiny or sedition which he knows or has reason to believe is taking place, is guilty of a failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition.
(b) A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct."
Elements.
(1) Mutiny by creating violence or disturbance.
(a) That the accused created violence or a disturbance; and
(b) That the accused created this violence or disturbance with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority.
(2) Mutiny by refusing to obey orders or perform duty.
(a) That the accused refused to obey orders or otherwise do the accused's duty;
(b) That the accused in refusing to obey orders or perform duty acted in concert with another person or persons; and
(c) That the accused did so with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority.
(3) Sedition.
(a) That the accused created revolt, violence, or disturbance against lawful civil authority;
(b) That the accused acted in concert with another person or persons; and
(c) That the accused did so with the intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of that authority.
(4) Failure to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition.
(a) That an offense of mutiny or sedition was committed in the presence of the accused; and
(b) That the accused failed to do the accused's utmost to prevent and suppress the mutiny or sedition.
(5) Failure to report a mutiny or sedition.
(a) That an offense of mutiny or sedition occurred;
(b) That the accused knew or had reason to believe that the offense was taking place; and
(c) That the accused failed to take all reasonable means to inform the accused's superior commissioned officer or commander of the offense.
(6) Attempted mutiny.
(a) That the accused committed a certain overt act;
(b) That the act was done with specific intent to commit the offense of mutiny;
(c) That the act amounted to more than mere preparation; and
(d) That the act apparently tended to effect the commission of the offense of mutiny.
Explanation.
(1) Mutiny. Article 94( a)(1) defines two types of mutiny, both requiring an intent to usurp or override military authority.
(a) Mutiny by creating violence or disturbance. Mutiny by creating violence or disturbance may be committed by one person acting alone or by more than one acting together.
(b) Mutiny by refusing to obey orders or perform duties. Mutiny by refusing to obey orders or perform duties requires collective insubordination and necessarily includes some combination of two or more persons in resisting lawful military authority. This concert of insubordination need not be preconceived, nor is it necessary that the insubordination be active or violent. It may consist simply of a persistent and concerted refusal or omission to obey orders, or to do duty, with an insubordinate intent, that is, with an intent to usurp or override lawful military authority. The intent may be declared in words or inferred from acts, omissions, or surrounding circumstances.
The NRA has become a private "army" unto itself.
Volaris
(10,266 posts)as long as they are willing to get arrested for being in violation of a specific Law. It's not insurrection until they AREN'T (and when THAT happens, well, yeah, good luck with that, guys lol).
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)They are fine, as long as it stays in the category of CIVIL disobedience.
Dr Martin Luther King Jnr led acts of civil disobedience. Rosa Parks committed civil disobedience.
Dr King didn't have an AR-15 slung over his shoulder. Rosa didn't have a Kalashnikov in her lap on the bus.
This is a potential powder keg. Loads of pissed-off right-wingers all packing, and who knows how many of them may also be intoxicated?
I would imagine that the Chief of the Washington DC Police Department and the Adjutant General of the District of Columbia are making preparations for these possibilities.
DCKit
(18,541 posts)4_TN_TITANS
(2,977 posts)Hide guns in kids room? WTF?
DFW
(54,280 posts)New NRA patriotic slogan (seen on a Raw Story post)
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Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)The stories you posted don't need comment.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)dflprincess
(28,072 posts)and who participatied in it?
Gabby Hayes
(289 posts)This doesn't answer your question, but in a related matter Amazon is reviewing the product those would-be assassins used in the Obama mock-up. The entire line is grisly. In response to my and presumably countless other customer complaints, Amazon said it was going to review the product line. They sounded sincere, and will probably get even more sincere as the story of the Obama mock-up spreads through the news.
Might add that, based on news reports, local and state authorities are on unusually high alert in advance of President Obama's planned visit to Austin, TX, this week.
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)"... how many Bostonians wished they had guns?"
Meaning what, exactly? That every person could have started
shooting into the crowd indiscriminately in response to the
bomb blast, if only they had guns !?
And you forgot this gem from Lapierre: "It was a case of 'good guys'
with guns stopping 'bad guys' with guns." Hurray Hurray!!
Yup; in this case, the 'good guys' were armed law enforcement --
not vigilante citizens -- who are supposed to have guns, who are
trained to use guns (as a last resort, not a first response), and who
are given the consent by us -- the public -- to protect us so that
we won't have to shoot each other. AND -- the 'good guys' stopped
the bad guys, but only after one lost his life and another was seriously
wounded.
Dear NRA and Mr Lapierre,
Life is not a John Wayne movie. Life is real. Death is real. Guns
kill people and that is nothing to cheer about.
"See this! This is this! This ain't somethin' else ; this is this!"
-- Robert Dinero, holding up a rifle round in "The Deer Hunter"
Gabby Hayes
(289 posts)Am reminded of Linda Thompson's clarion call for a gun march on D.C. in the early 90's. Anyone got a photo of her marching all alone down the middle of the street?
Can't help but be nervous about President Obama's visit to Austin this Thursday, what with those hopped-up, would-be assassins meeting over in Houston.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)There's no such thing as any President being 100% safe. There have been two attempted assassinations of a President in my lifetime (Ronald Reagan, Jerry Ford), both of which were foiled, thank God. JFK was just before I was born.
I would think/hope that the Secret Service, FBI, etc. would have taken those two near-misses (especially Reagan; almost lost him) as hard lessons.
Plus, I'm guessing that Air Force One has a complement of Air Force Security Police on board.
If someone is going to be nuts enough to try something stupid with the President...I wouldn't want to be him/her. I doubt such a dipshit would get off as easily as John Hinckley did.
I think/hope/pray that the President will be in safe hands.