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Sun May 26, 2013, 12:58 PM

Alan Grayson Stands Up to Republican Attempt to Push Through Keystone Pipeline.

HR 3, which passed the House last week and will now go to the Senate where it has a good chance of passing, declares that a presidential permit is not required to approve the completion of the Keystone Pipeline.

It also seems to be declaring a lot of things that aren't true:

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Reply Alan Grayson Stands Up to Republican Attempt to Push Through Keystone Pipeline. (Original post)
IronicNews May 2013 OP
20score May 2013 #1
ctsnowman May 2013 #2
bvar22 May 2013 #3
freshwest May 2013 #4
another_liberal May 2013 #11
timdog44 May 2013 #15
defacto7 May 2013 #16
JDPriestly May 2013 #29
xtraxritical May 2013 #25
ReRe May 2013 #34
sellitman May 2013 #5
midnight May 2013 #6
Berlum May 2013 #12
limpyhobbler May 2013 #7
gtar100 May 2013 #17
limpyhobbler May 2013 #18
AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #27
limpyhobbler May 2013 #35
another_liberal May 2013 #8
blackspade May 2013 #9
tavalon May 2013 #10
gateley May 2013 #13
Iwillnevergiveup May 2013 #28
gateley May 2013 #14
freshwest May 2013 #19
gateley May 2013 #22
freshwest May 2013 #23
gateley May 2013 #37
freshwest May 2013 #38
gateley May 2013 #39
freshwest May 2013 #40
idwiyo May 2013 #20
summer-hazz May 2013 #21
IronicNews May 2013 #24
Baitball Blogger May 2013 #26
watoos May 2013 #31
dorkzilla May 2013 #30
Overseas May 2013 #32
ReRe May 2013 #33
BadgerKid May 2013 #36

Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 01:06 PM

1. Fantastic!

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 01:31 PM

2. Thank you.

I am so glad Grayson is back in the house.

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 02:02 PM

3. Way to GO, Alan!

One of the FEW listening to The People!

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 02:03 PM

4. Thanks Alan for standing up in that pit of vipers. Foreign oil companies bought them out.

This is a Koch brothers operation from all the way from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico where the oil is to be sent to a Koch-owned refinery to go into tankers and be sold abroad.

Without one dime of taxes paid one inch of the way across those miles nor will the USA get any oil out of it. Naturally, they want to eliminate the DOE, EPA and any other agency through strangling the federal government of funds.

And there will be a total of from 15 to 35 permanent jobs along the entire pathway from it and local communities will suffer, but then with ALEC lawmakers being supported by teahadists, and others sitting back and wailing, it goes on.

This is a deal that is being made as if the USA does no longer exists, the end of the safety net we are demagogued about being cut or changed, when the goal is to make us bow to the tyranny of the Koch brothers for all of the necessities of life. We might as well change this country's name from the USA to Koch Kingdom if this continues.

Thanks GOP for continuing to brainwash the left and the right with your teaparty and conspiracy theory media while you create libertarian hell here in America.



Woke up cranky.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #4)

Sun May 26, 2013, 02:29 PM

11. Well said!

 

Thank you for stating that so clearly.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #4)

Sun May 26, 2013, 03:20 PM

15. All this

and not even mentioning the huge carbon footprint to mine and refine this product into oil. And the fact that it is technically not oil when shipped, they don't have to pay into the clean up fund regular oil pipelines do. So if there is a spill, the taxpayers have to pay for the cleanup. And the record they have on pipeline spills is not good.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #4)

Sun May 26, 2013, 03:40 PM

16. Added to "no taxes paid",

There is a reason they won't sell in the US. They can stash that income overseas. It's libertarian racket. There is NO other reason I can see that they would not be selling the products here.

The Libertarian racket = The Rape of America.

The John Birch'ers have been waiting in the wings for 35 years patiently planning their way, infiltrating politics, business and the minds of the gullible for a moment in history. This may be it.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #16)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:39 AM

29. Thank you, defacto 7, for placing this event in its proper political context.

Our Congress no longer represents or protects us. Not as long as Republicans are in the majority. And why would Democratic senators vote for this? Paid off?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #4)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:02 AM

25. It's the first step on the road to privatizing national parks.

 

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Response to freshwest (Reply #4)

Mon May 27, 2013, 12:10 PM

34. Hey freshwest...

... you have a right to be cranky. Try one of these and see if that stress thing is reduced:

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 02:06 PM

5. And this Bill has a chance of passing?

WTF?

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 02:12 PM

6. K&R The Keystone pipeline is deemed a lie... So that an foreign oil company

can line the pockets of those deemed to make lots of money...

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Response to midnight (Reply #6)

Sun May 26, 2013, 03:02 PM

12. Republicans selling out to foreign interests against America

as usual

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 02:17 PM

7. Obama is the decider of this issue. He can veto this bill.

They would need 2/3 of both houses to override a veto.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #7)

Sun May 26, 2013, 03:42 PM

17. And who in the Senate (say, a Dem) will filibuster the bill?

Or is that reserved for Republicans only?

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Response to gtar100 (Reply #17)

Sun May 26, 2013, 03:46 PM

18. good question.

Hopefully somebody would step up and do it.

Maybe Sheldon Whitehouse.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #7)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:20 AM

27. What are the odds that Obama would veto? In contrast to FDR with 635 vetoes, Obama has only 2.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes

If you exclude James Garfield who was only president for 6 1/2 months, you would have to go back to Millard Fillmore to find a president who has vetoed less. Even then, he only served a partial term as a president.

I respectfully suggest that it's not going to happen.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #27)

Mon May 27, 2013, 12:16 PM

35. He has to veto it because we can't afford to burn the carbon in the tar sands.



j/k.
He probably won't

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 02:17 PM

8. Koch brothers' billions . . .

 

Good for Alan Grayson! Call the lying hypocrites what they are to their faces! We need a few score more Congress members with the balls to do that.

He will, of course, have to be ready to withstand the force and power of the Koch brothers' billions. That will not be fun.

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 02:25 PM

9. +1000

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 02:29 PM

10. Of course he did

I see him as the Wellstone from Florida. It's pretty easy to forget he's a millionaire, because he is just so down to earth.

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 03:09 PM

13. Send him a few bucks if you can -- I'm on his email and phone lists and

he always needs some help.

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Response to gateley (Reply #13)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:27 AM

28. Hear, hear!

Rep. Grayson is the most fighting Democratic member of the House. We must support him with cash steadily between now and 2014.

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 03:18 PM

14. The American People believe this oil is coming to US --

and NOBODY disabuses the talkers of that lie.

"We're tired of depending on foreign oil..." intimating that this will be used domestically and we'll have no need to purchase from overseas suppliers. Like it's going directly from the Pipeline into our gas stations. It's only for Canada and its soul sister the US, right?

Again, NOBODY calls them on this!

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Response to gateley (Reply #14)

Sun May 26, 2013, 04:30 PM

19. Obama has, but it's not on GOP media, so it never happened.

Have to go to official White House and 'Obama apologist' sites to get the facts. PoliticusUSA prints what he's said. Other sites detail the threats made against him since 2009 over his stalling of this monstrosity.

TeaParty 2010 was created to do two things: extend the Bush tax cuts and get this approved. OFA have gotten into the anti-Keystone Pipeline demonstrations, but you have to know their signs in the crowd to see them.

The media will keep on doing their part to convince folks to not vote so that TeaParty 2, which Nordquist and Koch named it and whose supporters vote, will wipe out their opposition in 2014.

Government means something. We think we can run away from our responsibility, but whenever we choose not to decide, we still have made a choice to let the Koch brothers and their friends rule over all of us. I hope most people will grasp this fact, but too many are being distracted.


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Response to freshwest (Reply #19)

Sun May 26, 2013, 09:13 PM

22. They need to hammer it home. Over and over again -- like the Republicans do with their lies.

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Response to gateley (Reply #22)

Sun May 26, 2013, 09:48 PM

23. The hammer is the media. We don't control it, they do. We'll just have to keep it up here, gateley.






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Response to freshwest (Reply #23)

Mon May 27, 2013, 07:49 PM

37. Freshwest, when the Republicans get a talking point, every single person manages to get

that talking point in the "interview" or statement they're giving. "Job killing Obamacare" comes to mind -- regardless of the question, they'd manage to throw that out there. We need to do the same. So when the media DOES cover something we say, we're saying the same damning truth about the pipeline.

If we made a big enough stink about it, the media would HAVE to cover it. We HAVEN'T made a big enough stink about it.

That's my observation, anyway.

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Response to gateley (Reply #37)

Mon May 27, 2013, 08:19 PM

38. I was with people doing anti-war demonstration during the Bush reign of terror. Uploaded to youtube.

Some of us had watchers to MSM. For example, CNN and MSNBC put on rerun news and didn't show a peep, although we saw thousands in the streets in big cities. We'd organized for weeks, made the announcement everywhere we could.

We saw the police, we were in contact, but at the end of the day we'd do them, it was like we were hallucinating. It didn't happen for anyone but us, since it was not covered at all. It's not like the sixties, eventies - or even the eighties. It's all sham news.

Occupy didn't get much MSM, either. Obama has his speeches edited. Other events that were previously covered routinely, were not being covered at all. Used to be, that every station had to garner public statements at the end of every year, to prove they had 'operated in the public interest' by giving equal time, free PSAs, etc.

This is why the GOP is getting away with this alternative reality they are maintaining. There is only the Koch echo chamber covered. Take a look at the video posted here by Triana, 'Exposed' on the Koches. After a while, the repetition becomes the truth.

People that know it's a lie or a cover-up, know they'll be seen as wackos if they speak against the meme. The world is flat or it's sunset when it's sunrise, since they said so.

Sorry, yucky day. See ya later.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #38)

Mon May 27, 2013, 08:29 PM

39. We need to get the truth out in the soundbites. That's all that they air -- as wrong as it is.

The foreign news orginazations cover our protests and demonstration better tha we do, but the majority of Americans don't tune in or pull them up online.

The sad fact is, they get thier "news" from the evening news which is controlled. Which is why we have to "force" our message into what little face/air time we get. We need our Representatives to do this and to make waves. They're not doing it.

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Response to gateley (Reply #39)

Mon May 27, 2013, 08:34 PM

40. Mine are - but they also can cut the sound off. EOM.

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 04:47 PM

20. K&R

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Sun May 26, 2013, 05:19 PM

21. Oh my God!!


How do we stop this train wreck?

Why would the Senate agree to this?
I thought we had a majority there!

Who the hell is in charge here?

We pay them to work for us... My Senator never asked me what I think
about all this..

WTF!!!

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Response to summer-hazz (Reply #21)

Mon May 27, 2013, 08:27 AM

24. You'd better call him and tell him!

Or her!

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:12 AM

26. Republican interns write the crap, it takes a lawyer to expose it.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #26)

Mon May 27, 2013, 11:18 AM

31. ALEC writes that crap

 

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 10:49 AM

30. I know he checks in here every once in a while so...Mr. Grayson...

You are a national treasure! You are one of the very few who is actually representing "We the people". I am heartily glad that you are back. I am sure I speak for not a few of us when I say we are grateful to you for opening your mouth when others in our party seem to abdicate their authority to a bunch of thugs who are selling out to the highest bidder.

Thank you, Mr. Grayson. A million times, thank you.

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 11:30 AM

32. K&R. He tells it like it is.

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 11:58 AM

33. Go Alan Grayson!

K&R

... "Deem" my ass. Sounds like Koch's wrote the bill. Wake up, Congress! More and more Americans are wising up to what's going on. I don't know how, as they are getting the same thing from the MSM as they hear from the wingers. What American would want that effing pending disaster flowing through their neighborhood? What kind of effing insurance would you have to buy to cover the place if that pipe blows in your neighborhood and your home is condemned hazardous to you and your family's health and is worth a big fat ZERO?

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Response to IronicNews (Original post)

Mon May 27, 2013, 12:55 PM

36. Acc. to one source, 60% of XL gas is already exported.

http://priceofoil.org/2013/03/14/keystone-xl-refineries-already-exporting-60-percent-of-their-gasoline/


It'd be great if there was a wiki page or YouTube video people could point to to dispel any oil lies and intimations.

Here's a hint: companies in the oil and refinery biz are generally referred to as MLPs (Master Limited Partnerships), and by looking at their SEC filings (10-Q, 8-K reports), you can learn where the oil is and how it's being processed. The gist is that companies make their money from refining cheap oil. Analysts are saying the distribution system is bottlenecked, and that will result in increased rail transport and pressure to build more pipelines. But could the pipes be built quickly enough and what's the environmental risk, etc.?

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