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(18,402 posts)My daughter was (and remains) a great animal lover. She ate meat and fish until she figured out that there weren't two different things: "swimming fish" and "eating fish." And that our ruse about "meat" was just a ruse.
So we let her stop eating meat and fish when she was six or so, assuming it was a phase. The problem was, she was not such a great vegetable or bean eater, despite our best efforts, and after two years, she was becoming anemic. The doctor told her she either would have to get shots of iron or start eating some meat again. She returned to meat for a few years, but as she got older became a vegetarian again and never turned back.
This kid is very sweet and smart, but he can't live on potatoes and rice. Fine, if he's the type who will also eat dark green leafy vegetables, tofu, and a variety of beans. But many kids don't, and become what my husband and I used to call "pizzaterians."
midnight
(26,624 posts)However, if your good at making soup and puree them, it is out of sight out of mind..
In all mammals, vitamin B12 is necessary for maturation of erythrocytes, and a deficiency of this vitamin leads to development of anemia. Since efficient absorption of vitamin B12 in humans depends on intrinsic factor, diseases which decrease the secretion of intrinsic factor (e.g. atrophic gastritis), interfere with cleavage of the binding proteins (e.g. pancreatic exocrine insufficiency) or decrease binding and absorption of the intrinsic factor-vitamin B12 complex (e.g. ileal disease or resection) can result in this type of anemia. In cattle and sheep, deficiency in cobalt, which is a necessary component of vitamin B12, can result in anemia among other signs of disease.
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/stomach/intrinsic_factor.html
And if that is the case, and many doctors will ignore this, a b-12 shot either weekly or monthly is necessary..
frazzled
(18,402 posts)And we have always served a great variety of vegetables. We belonged to a CSA for many years, and of course the abundance of produce we received every week forced me to make large pots of delicious soups at the end of each week (which my husband and I ate but my kids did not really care for). My kids loved going to the farm and helping to pick the vegetables: it did not, however, make them eat these vegetables, in any form (pureed or not).
It is not natural when a person needs to get a weekly or monthly shot of B-12 or iron. Humans are omnivores, not herbivores (or carnivores). I am still unhappy that both my kids, now adults, are vegetarians (even though they eat many vegetables now). My daughter-in-law, a vegetarian too, was recently diagnosed with anemia and has been on a regimen of iron pills for the last several months. She's going to check soon to see if her levels have been raised.
My personal opinion is that, as a society, we eat too much meat ... but eating no meat is not a great policy for many people. Having to live on iron pills or tons of vitamins to make up for what nature intended us to eat is neither natural nor healthy, imo. I think we need to teach our children, who are of course sensitive to the death of animals, that this is part of nature: that animals themselves are built by nature to eat other animals, and that it is the chain of life. Small amounts of meat or fish several times a week, along with copious amounts of vegetables and fruits, is a sustainable personal and societal practice, and will help to keep the body in balance. That is how I personally choose to live ... even as I spend all day every Sunday making vegetarian meals that are both up to my culinary standards and that will provide healthy doses of nutrients to my son and daughter-in-law for their regular Sunday night (Mad Men) dinners with us.
midnight
(26,624 posts)I will have to explore to see if I can find something in my neck of the woods...
colorado_ufo
(5,738 posts)Just let the tablets dissolve under the tongue - that's what I have to do.
midnight
(26,624 posts)or vegetarian?
kas125
(2,472 posts)I had surgery to remove half my stomach that had been severely damaged by ulcers. Without the part of the stomach that produces the intrinsic factor, it can't absorb b12 from food or from pills, it has to bypass the stomach. I have to do monthly injections.
midnight
(26,624 posts)info... Not sure I understand the whole issue but do know that meat eaters are not assured to be free of anemia because of this issue...
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)if you grow your own and don't scrupulously wash it before eating. I just use nutritional yeast once or twice a week - it's rich in B12.
Some people think that B12 comes only from animal sources - it is present in animal sources because of the food they eat. It comes from the soil.
midnight
(26,624 posts)bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)mashed potatoes. It adds a bit of "umami" - the 5th taste!
Doremus
(7,261 posts)When I get a chance later I'll post some links. I'm on my way out right now.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Thanks for posting.
midnight
(26,624 posts)alive...
colorado_ufo
(5,738 posts)So sweet and simple and direct; no justifications, no debate, no ethics committee. Just his gentle view of the world.
The CCC
(463 posts)You can be a healthy vegetarian. It just takes more knowledge and work to do so. OTOH it isn't like vegetables aren't alive.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)How about abstract ideas, like 'humans are animals too'?
midnight
(26,624 posts)eat friends...
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Not my way, but as long as his dietary needs are met (and they can be without meat), cool beans, as they say.
midnight
(26,624 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Much the same as I would for a family wherein the responsible adults use prayer to substitute for actual medical care in the face of, say, appendicitis.
They can pray too, but if a kid dies from non-treatment, that's generally regarded as a crime.
Malnutrition in children is another form of neglect. And the possibility of it occurring is not limited to vegetarians.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2092071/Stacey-Irvine-17-collapses-eating-McDonalds-chicken-nuggets-age-2.html
Renew Deal
(81,881 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)midnight
(26,624 posts)Presidents... President Carter once remarked that he was offered a sheep's eyeball and he had to eat it..... I'm sure the country that offered it to him felt the same way... and President Carter knew they would believe he would also think it was delicious... Eyelashes and all....
4_TN_TITANS
(2,977 posts)I thought it was just a fad, but now she's 18 and a vegan to boot. The only one in our whole family. She does eat tons of veggies, loves spinach, and has always been healthy as a horse.