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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 05:20 PM Jun 2013

Terrifying video moment German drone missed Afghan plane carrying 100 passengers



Video filmed from Luna drone shows it flying towards passenger plane
Out-of-control drone was caught in turbulence caused by the Ariana plane
Video caused outrage in Germany as debate rages about drones
Government announced new drones will not have anti-collision technology
Comes in wake of 'drone-debacle' after country scrapped Euro Hawk programme that had already cost Germany 500million Euros

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335122/Terrifying-video-captures-moment-German-drone-missed-Afghan-plane-carrying-100-passengers-just-metre.html
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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
1. Whatever happened to Air Traffic Control? Was it on their radar? This is damn sloppy.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 05:39 PM
Jun 2013

I'm wondering if the law there regards these smaller flying units as of little more danger than a flock of geese.

Between twits flying remote control planes as we've seen in videos, and congressmen who refuse to give way or file flight plans (Gohmert or another puke politican) disrespecting the safety of others, the friendly skies ain't so friendly now.

The Idiocracy, brought to you by Libertarians against regulations. The Germans are right to raise hell, it won't matter what or why if a plane goes down.

The arrogant twits playing with their toys are going to kill the passengers of a plane one day. Just because it's new and cool and their right to do so. Not that that's anything new.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
2. "Just because it's new and cool and their right to do so."
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 08:12 PM
Jun 2013

I'd say its "just because" the drone pilot can sidestep any risk to his person. That creates a quandary where some of the aircraft aren't being flown (as) responsibly because these pilots don't have to worry about their bacon hitting the ground.

Its this kind of systemic disregard for life that's new and cool, and yes, its really arrogant. Its no accident that drones were introduced to the skies as instruments of war.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
3. In that regard, the first musket and cannonball makers, etc. thought they were great, too.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 08:54 PM
Jun 2013

The hysteria over drones as a new method to harrass and kill, is mostly media generated. As if no one had ever heard of 'flying death' or 'death at a distance' and think it's a new thing. It's not.

Despite the emotionally resonant presentations that first come to mind, from H.G. Well's 'War of the Worlds' to Hollywood's powerful 'Terminator' series, with Skynet drones sent to wipe out humanity, drones aren't anything more than an ape tossing a rock.

There are many older examples, such as what was once known as 'Greek fire.'

...Thucydides mentions the use of tubed flamethrowers in the siege of Delium in 424 BC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incendiary_device

All along were catapults with flaming torches, large stones or diseased dead animals as ancient biological warfare to win wars. The point is never the weapon.

The point is the mentality that holds that we should kill each other for whatever reason. For some, change or giving anything up is so hard to take, they are willing to slaughter anyone.

Drones are just a tool, but don't always have to be used for war. Environmentalists cheered as Sea Shepherd sent drones to surveil the Japanese whaling fleet. A young man named Tim who was there to record the original OWS in NYC made one to use, too.

They are being used to survey floods and other things, that would otherwise be done by helicopters or satellites. As far as death is concerned, any of those can kill - drones aren't special, there is no magic to a remotely controlled plane nor any less humanity involved that those that sit in a missile silo and fire off a missile, or in a military complex and order bombs dropped in a conventional matter because the generals saw something on a satellite they decided was too dangerous to keep going.

We shouldn't focus on the tool, or even the one using the tool. We should focus on the why. And join together and find a betterway to live, if we can. But here in the USA, we have RWers willing to kill for reasons that don't have much to do with the survival of the whole. Mankind still has a long way to go.


cprise

(8,445 posts)
4. Your counter examples are related to conflict and disasters
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 10:00 PM
Jun 2013

...not about people going about their daily lives (which presumably is the norm on a passenger jet).

I don't buy into tech worship. Society needs to foster an ethic of picking and choosing which technologies are appropriate (and when) instead of denigrating sceptics as luddites. Technology is about power, so we need to start asking who gains the most power and wealth from the adoption of new processes and machines.

Blindly accepting (and lecturing people about 'accepting the change' of) the usual Wall St. pushes for new tech business models sends technological development in a worrisome direction. Its unethical.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. I don't care for it, and have expressed my opinion and been called a luddite.
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 01:56 AM
Jun 2013

I didn't counter. I am not blindly accepting, lecturing or promoting. I said what the focus should be. Peace Out.

jjewell

(618 posts)
6. There has never been a weapon....
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:24 AM
Jun 2013

man has created, that he hasn't used...

Consider Pandora's Box now open...

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