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(68,644 posts)Later on, in 2006, the code writer and witness in this clip, Clint Eugene Curtis, ran against Feeney.
Awkward!
Feeney's 2006 congressional opponent, Clint Curtis, has previously provided a sworn affidavit alleging that in October 2000, Feeney asked Curtis, then a computer programmer at Yang Enterprises, to design a computer program to falsify touch-screen voting results in Palm Beach County.[18][19] Curtis subsequently passed a polygraph test commissioned by a Washington, D.C. private investigator.[18] A Wired News story noted that Curtis had no direct knowledge of the vote counting software having been used in a public election.[20]
Feeney claimed that he has no recollection of even meeting Curtis; that he could not have engaged in such a scheme because Palm Beach County did not even consider obtaining touch screen machines until after the 2000 election; and that although Curtis wrote a book in the summer of 2004 accusing Feeney of a wide variety of misconduct, Curtis did not mention the alleged scheme to commit election fraud in the edition published prior to the 2004 election.[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Feeney#Election_fraud
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)There is no reason to bend the truth given the evidence!!!
midnight
(26,624 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Where the rich get richer and the poor.......ah who gives a shit.
-p
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Gee, I wonder why they are not "doing something"
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Not good to help people believe in the process, and for your Internationale reputation.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)When did the hearing take place?
Was it in Ohio or Florida?
it was a House of Representatives hearing.
This occurred in 2004. Curtis has run for office twice since then.
http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=9437
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)snot
(10,502 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Gin
(7,212 posts)All they can do is run a report.
Disgusting.... VA uses touchscreen....easy to use....no paper trail. Grrrrrrrrrr
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)The difference? I can get a receipt when I buy tacos.
Gin
(7,212 posts)Legislators......they laughed at my concerns...grrrrrrrrr.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)with integrity. Nothing has been done in over a decade. They basically have laughed in our faces. I'm not hoping for anything these days.
Gin
(7,212 posts)midnight
(26,624 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)can give a receipt, as well as a printed record of their transactions. So, you have to ask yourself...EVM's can't do this...careless design flaw, OR working as designed and intended? Seems pretty obvious to me.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)When does the revolution begin?
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)will throw it out. So far they haven't had it happen yet as far as I know. The Bush IT guy was killed in his plane's crash before his deposition. He was the link b/w Rove/Bush and the Tn company that hacked the elections computers. They have been doing this and will keep doing it b/c mysteriously, the Democrats and Obama never complained and introduced measures to put the same safeguards as the credit card companies use.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Always wondered who did their wet work.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)auntsue
(277 posts)owned stock in voting machine companies????????????
And note the results are skewed in favor of Rep candidate Hmmmmmm ?
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Conclusion:
Electronic voting machines are controversial. And in the past, at least, they have been blamed for some mysterious voting results, in Ohio and elsewhere.
The close connection between the Romneys, the Romney campaign, and the voting-machine company, therefore, looks bad, regardless of whether the Romney family-linked fund actually has a "direct or indirect" investment in the voting machine company.
Not the "appearance of impropriety" but the "appearance of the potential for impropriety."
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Isn't it from one of the old threads?
From November 5, 2004:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2612492
I've seen it a few times. Like on these sites:
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1976.cfm
http://www.nogw.com/electionfraud.html
It's quite telling, yet no investigation?
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)And, after talking to the Secretary of the State (who I think unofficially cleaned some stuff up), the entire state went "blue" the following election - in the case of the State House and State Senate, (I believe) it was the first time in over One Hundred Years.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)FreeBC
(403 posts)Open source code would not only be more transparent, it would be more secure.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)new ones coming out during voting, and no one able to agree on anything, so everyone just goes off and does their own thing for free.
What government could contract for something like that?
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)and the code was open for all to see.
shoot, what do you think runs most of the internet?
and it runs pretty well, wouldn't you say.
Javaman
(62,503 posts)and sadly, nothing has changed.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)on what I see as a storm on the horizon here at DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x340188
Just to bring the newbies up to date.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)I would like to share this on FB but not savvy enough to find the actual link w/o searching all of youtube on my iphone.
Thanks!
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)aquart
(69,014 posts)penndragon69
(788 posts)to everyone who has been paying attention since
electronic voting first started to be implemented.
AnnieK401
(541 posts)Although some people called me paranoid when I bought it up. And I'm talking about people on the left. There were those that said the Republicans (Rove) was too scared to try it again, or he was stopped by hackers. He did seem shocked that OH went for Obama, and the Republicans did seem very over confident.
adieu
(1,009 posts)About a voting procedure that is hack proof. Conceptually, it works. It also helps to have all source code be open to inspection.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)My experience is that locks are only to keep honest people honest. Build a bigger mouse trap, then build a bigger mouse. Just saying.
adieu
(1,009 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)The only way we can validate elections is by hand auditing of a paper trail. If Venezuela can do that, so can we.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I recall this video.
This resulted in Florida having bubble in to be scanned, and it at least has a paper trail.
Meanwhile, where I am, we are stuck in this county having spent money (over my protest when the last county manager pushed it through) on iVotronic DRE's, which have NO PAPER TRAIL.
The question I have for anyone here is whether you've ever heard that a program can erase a candidate's name on the party's ticket (we have a closed primary, and there was a name that should have appeared, but didn't on "some" machine(s).
Anyone hear of a program that'll do that? I suspect some of what happened in different wards amounted to vote "flipping", but as I said, I've no real proof.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I have had the book for years and didn't know they still had a board, so I'm putting it out there
This has been an even stranger 2nd decade, and I hope we'll get something out of "the fight" to understand why people stopped caring how they are led around not to vote, not to care if their vote counts, not to care who's representing them.
You get politically charged and run and no good deeds go unpunished sometimes... Maybe I'll figure it out.
Cliff Arnebeck
(305 posts)Reverend Jesse Jackson asked US Rep John Conyers to convene a hearing on the 2004 election. Conyers asked where we wanted it, Washington or Columbus. I said, "In both places!"
The Washington hearing, December 6, 2008 I think, was covered by a great deal of media and C-Span with sterling representation from the Black Caucus in the House.
The Republicans controlling the Ohio Legislature would not permit Conyers ot conduct a heating at the Ohio State House, so a combination of Ohio Democrats from the state legislature and Columbus City Council arranged for us to use the Columbus City Council Chamber.
The next week Bob Fitrakis and I, accompanied by Rev. Jackson and Butch Wing, Rev. and Mrs. Bill Moss, our lead complainants filed the contest of the election at the Ohio Supreme Court. Ronnie Dugger convinced the PR person for the Ohio Supreme Court to let us use the Supreme Court press room for a press conference with the entire statehouse press corp. We then walked to City Hall, just down the street from the Ohio Supreme Court.
I announced that we had filed our contest and a motion to enjoin the scheduled meeting of the Ohio Electors. John Bonifaz gave a fiery speech, denouncing the scheduling of that meeting before the completion of the recount, as a blatant violation of law.
There was a long progression of witnesses before a joint panel of US House members, Ohio Legislators and Columbus City Council members. Then, Rev. Jackson asked me what happened to our dynamite witness. Conyers had informed his staff he would not preside over a hearing in which a member of the the US House Judiciary Committee, Tom Feeney, would be personally attacked. Rev. Jackson approached the dais and talked with the Chairman. Conyers then excused himself from the chair and the panel and was replaced by Charlita Tavaras, who is seen here in the video as chair of the hearing.
I called Clint Curtis and asked that he be sworn. The rest is what you see here: a pretty good and concise indictment of the regime of electronic voting machines in America.
mckara
(1,708 posts)When we know this is true.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Democracy is simply too dangerous to be trusted to the regular citizen. We might inadvertently elect the wrong person.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)I bet this was used to flip the Prop 8 vote in CA. I recall that polling just prior to the election showed Prop 8 losing 51 to 49, exit polling also showed it losing 51 to 49, and yet when the vote came in, miraculously it had passed 51 to 49. Just sayin'.
riqster
(13,986 posts)"Who counts the votes, decides everything." (J. Stalin)
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Minnesota uses paper ballots. We have a tough enough time with those recounts because some people are too stupid to fill in an oval with an ink pen. A paper ballot leaves a trail.
joanbarnes
(1,721 posts)Wernothelpless
(410 posts)I mean really ... our entire system of government is based on money and lies ...