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Programmer under oath admits computers rig elections (Original Post) Seedersandleechers Jun 2013 OP
I love this story: Tom Feeney hired this programmer to write election fixing code in 2000... NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #1
Except for one thing, he did not make the admission asserted here. Coyotl Jun 2013 #55
Source code needs to be written for all voters and not just the 1%. midnight Jun 2013 #2
Interesting story. It would be much more interesting if the elected officials would do something. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #3
welcome to Murica Phlem Jun 2013 #9
You mean "elected" officials I think 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #18
Holly shit !,,,! Sand Wind Jun 2013 #4
Video Published on YouTube on Apr 18, 2011 . I don't remember this being on the news. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #5
in D.C> Enrique Jun 2013 #14
Thanks for the info :) n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #16
This & more info's been out there, but ignored by most DU'er's as well as the corp. media snot Jun 2013 #50
2004 Conyers hearing. This is as old as Tamany Hall. Coyotl Jun 2013 #56
With no paper trail.....a recount is not possible... Gin Jun 2013 #6
Diebold makes cash registers and voting machines... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #17
I agree.....when we first decided to use their machines I wrote and called all my Gin Jun 2013 #19
Those were the days when we thought we could get our legislators to act responsibly and Cleita Jun 2013 #20
Same here.....sometimes I think ignorance is bliss Gin Jun 2013 #21
Gin, I bet they did- all the way to the bank... midnight Jun 2013 #45
Even Gas Pumps and Postage Kiosks NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #26
Add this information... KansDem Jun 2013 #7
If you look underneath the news---it already has Demeter Jun 2013 #11
In Germany, if there is a difference of more than 1% b/w the actual vote and the exit polls they Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #13
So many convenient accidents for BushCo. aquart Jun 2013 #24
It's already over. They won. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #29
Didn't I read that the Romney family auntsue Jun 2013 #38
Here's a report from "Business Insider" KansDem Jun 2013 #48
I think this chart was what made me look at New Hampshire. IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #46
Yes! KansDem Jun 2013 #47
We investigated New Hampshire (somewhat). IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #49
Bookmarking deutsey Jun 2013 #8
All voting machine code should be open source FreeBC Jun 2013 #10
Oh hell no. You realize the election would never be held, right? There would be 47 different distros jtuck004 Jun 2013 #36
wouldn't matter, as long as they printed a voter verifiable ballot usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #53
I remember this well. Javaman Jun 2013 #12
Well, this is going to bring up some old mixed memories, thought I would be the first to post.... Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #15
Can you post the link please? Myrina Jun 2013 #22
.... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #27
Thanks!! Myrina Jun 2013 #31
Duh. aquart Jun 2013 #23
This is old news penndragon69 Jun 2013 #25
This story was going around a lot last year AnnieK401 Jun 2013 #28
There's a TEDTalk video adieu Jun 2013 #30
Got a link? Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #33
Here it is adieu Jun 2013 #37
The very notion of an unhackable program is bullshit eridani Jun 2013 #41
I concur eridani. Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #43
My recent primary is suspect, and there is no paper trail MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #32
Hope this helps.... Rebellious Republican Jun 2013 #34
Thanks, RR... I put my question out there MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #39
Thanks for the memories . . . Cliff Arnebeck Jun 2013 #35
How Can We Trust Anything? mckara Jun 2013 #40
Wake the fuck up, people! Enthusiast Jun 2013 #42
Moot point now but NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #44
"Who votes, decides nothing." riqster Jun 2013 #51
This is why I am opposed to electronic voting. Jenoch Jun 2013 #52
This needs to go viral, though I knew it all along, the sheeple just don't want to believe it. joanbarnes Jun 2013 #54
Exactly what does "under oath" mean anymore? ... Wernothelpless Jun 2013 #57
K&R cprise Jul 2013 #58
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. I love this story: Tom Feeney hired this programmer to write election fixing code in 2000...
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jun 2013

Later on, in 2006, the code writer and witness in this clip, Clint Eugene Curtis, ran against Feeney.

Awkward!

Election fraud

Feeney's 2006 congressional opponent, Clint Curtis, has previously provided a sworn affidavit alleging that in October 2000, Feeney asked Curtis, then a computer programmer at Yang Enterprises, to design a computer program to falsify touch-screen voting results in Palm Beach County.[18][19] Curtis subsequently passed a polygraph test commissioned by a Washington, D.C. private investigator.[18] A Wired News story noted that Curtis had no direct knowledge of the vote counting software having been used in a public election.[20]

Feeney claimed that he has no recollection of even meeting Curtis; that he could not have engaged in such a scheme because Palm Beach County did not even consider obtaining touch screen machines until after the 2000 election; and that although Curtis wrote a book in the summer of 2004 accusing Feeney of a wide variety of misconduct, Curtis did not mention the alleged scheme to commit election fraud in the edition published prior to the 2004 election.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Feeney#Election_fraud


 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
55. Except for one thing, he did not make the admission asserted here.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jun 2013

There is no reason to bend the truth given the evidence!!!

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
5. Video Published on YouTube on Apr 18, 2011 . I don't remember this being on the news.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:28 PM
Jun 2013

When did the hearing take place?

Was it in Ohio or Florida?



Gin

(7,212 posts)
6. With no paper trail.....a recount is not possible...
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:46 PM
Jun 2013

All they can do is run a report.

Disgusting.... VA uses touchscreen....easy to use....no paper trail. Grrrrrrrrrr


 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
17. Diebold makes cash registers and voting machines...
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jun 2013

The difference? I can get a receipt when I buy tacos.

Gin

(7,212 posts)
19. I agree.....when we first decided to use their machines I wrote and called all my
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:29 PM
Jun 2013

Legislators......they laughed at my concerns...grrrrrrrrr.



Cleita

(75,480 posts)
20. Those were the days when we thought we could get our legislators to act responsibly and
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:39 PM
Jun 2013

with integrity. Nothing has been done in over a decade. They basically have laughed in our faces. I'm not hoping for anything these days.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
26. Even Gas Pumps and Postage Kiosks
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:58 PM
Jun 2013

can give a receipt, as well as a printed record of their transactions. So, you have to ask yourself...EVM's can't do this...careless design flaw, OR working as designed and intended? Seems pretty obvious to me.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
13. In Germany, if there is a difference of more than 1% b/w the actual vote and the exit polls they
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jun 2013

will throw it out. So far they haven't had it happen yet as far as I know. The Bush IT guy was killed in his plane's crash before his deposition. He was the link b/w Rove/Bush and the Tn company that hacked the elections computers. They have been doing this and will keep doing it b/c mysteriously, the Democrats and Obama never complained and introduced measures to put the same safeguards as the credit card companies use.

auntsue

(277 posts)
38. Didn't I read that the Romney family
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:48 PM
Jun 2013

owned stock in voting machine companies????????????

And note the results are skewed in favor of Rep candidate Hmmmmmm ?

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
48. Here's a report from "Business Insider"
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:41 AM
Jun 2013
Here's The Truth About The Story About The Romneys Investing In The Company That Makes The Voting Machines

Conclusion:
But you've got to admit... The connection here is close enough that it creates, if not the appearance of impropriety, at least the appearance of the potential for impropriety.

Electronic voting machines are controversial. And in the past, at least, they have been blamed for some mysterious voting results, in Ohio and elsewhere.

The close connection between the Romneys, the Romney campaign, and the voting-machine company, therefore, looks bad, regardless of whether the Romney family-linked fund actually has a "direct or indirect" investment in the voting machine company.


Not the "appearance of impropriety" but the "appearance of the potential for impropriety."
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
46. I think this chart was what made me look at New Hampshire.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:12 AM
Jun 2013

Isn't it from one of the old threads?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
49. We investigated New Hampshire (somewhat).
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:48 AM
Jun 2013

And, after talking to the Secretary of the State (who I think unofficially cleaned some stuff up), the entire state went "blue" the following election - in the case of the State House and State Senate, (I believe) it was the first time in over One Hundred Years.

 

FreeBC

(403 posts)
10. All voting machine code should be open source
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:19 PM
Jun 2013

Open source code would not only be more transparent, it would be more secure.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
36. Oh hell no. You realize the election would never be held, right? There would be 47 different distros
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:44 PM
Jun 2013

new ones coming out during voting, and no one able to agree on anything, so everyone just goes off and does their own thing for free.

What government could contract for something like that?

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
53. wouldn't matter, as long as they printed a voter verifiable ballot
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 02:27 AM
Jun 2013

and the code was open for all to see.

shoot, what do you think runs most of the internet?

and it runs pretty well, wouldn't you say.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
15. Well, this is going to bring up some old mixed memories, thought I would be the first to post....
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:04 PM
Jun 2013

on what I see as a storm on the horizon here at DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x340188

Just to bring the newbies up to date.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
22. Can you post the link please?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:41 PM
Jun 2013

I would like to share this on FB but not savvy enough to find the actual link w/o searching all of youtube on my iphone.

Thanks!

 

penndragon69

(788 posts)
25. This is old news
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:52 PM
Jun 2013

to everyone who has been paying attention since
electronic voting first started to be implemented.

AnnieK401

(541 posts)
28. This story was going around a lot last year
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jun 2013

Although some people called me paranoid when I bought it up. And I'm talking about people on the left. There were those that said the Republicans (Rove) was too scared to try it again, or he was stopped by hackers. He did seem shocked that OH went for Obama, and the Republicans did seem very over confident.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
30. There's a TEDTalk video
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jun 2013

About a voting procedure that is hack proof. Conceptually, it works. It also helps to have all source code be open to inspection.

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
33. Got a link?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jun 2013

My experience is that locks are only to keep honest people honest. Build a bigger mouse trap, then build a bigger mouse. Just saying.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
41. The very notion of an unhackable program is bullshit
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:21 AM
Jun 2013

The only way we can validate elections is by hand auditing of a paper trail. If Venezuela can do that, so can we.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
32. My recent primary is suspect, and there is no paper trail
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jun 2013

I recall this video.

This resulted in Florida having bubble in to be scanned, and it at least has a paper trail.

Meanwhile, where I am, we are stuck in this county having spent money (over my protest when the last county manager pushed it through) on iVotronic DRE's, which have NO PAPER TRAIL.

The question I have for anyone here is whether you've ever heard that a program can erase a candidate's name on the party's ticket (we have a closed primary, and there was a name that should have appeared, but didn't on "some" machine(s).

Anyone hear of a program that'll do that? I suspect some of what happened in different wards amounted to vote "flipping", but as I said, I've no real proof.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
39. Thanks, RR... I put my question out there
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 12:07 AM
Jun 2013

I have had the book for years and didn't know they still had a board, so I'm putting it out there

This has been an even stranger 2nd decade, and I hope we'll get something out of "the fight" to understand why people stopped caring how they are led around not to vote, not to care if their vote counts, not to care who's representing them.

You get politically charged and run and no good deeds go unpunished sometimes... Maybe I'll figure it out.

Cliff Arnebeck

(305 posts)
35. Thanks for the memories . . .
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:09 PM
Jun 2013

Reverend Jesse Jackson asked US Rep John Conyers to convene a hearing on the 2004 election. Conyers asked where we wanted it, Washington or Columbus. I said, "In both places!"

The Washington hearing, December 6, 2008 I think, was covered by a great deal of media and C-Span with sterling representation from the Black Caucus in the House.

The Republicans controlling the Ohio Legislature would not permit Conyers ot conduct a heating at the Ohio State House, so a combination of Ohio Democrats from the state legislature and Columbus City Council arranged for us to use the Columbus City Council Chamber.

The next week Bob Fitrakis and I, accompanied by Rev. Jackson and Butch Wing, Rev. and Mrs. Bill Moss, our lead complainants filed the contest of the election at the Ohio Supreme Court. Ronnie Dugger convinced the PR person for the Ohio Supreme Court to let us use the Supreme Court press room for a press conference with the entire statehouse press corp. We then walked to City Hall, just down the street from the Ohio Supreme Court.

I announced that we had filed our contest and a motion to enjoin the scheduled meeting of the Ohio Electors. John Bonifaz gave a fiery speech, denouncing the scheduling of that meeting before the completion of the recount, as a blatant violation of law.

There was a long progression of witnesses before a joint panel of US House members, Ohio Legislators and Columbus City Council members. Then, Rev. Jackson asked me what happened to our dynamite witness. Conyers had informed his staff he would not preside over a hearing in which a member of the the US House Judiciary Committee, Tom Feeney, would be personally attacked. Rev. Jackson approached the dais and talked with the Chairman. Conyers then excused himself from the chair and the panel and was replaced by Charlita Tavaras, who is seen here in the video as chair of the hearing.

I called Clint Curtis and asked that he be sworn. The rest is what you see here: a pretty good and concise indictment of the regime of electronic voting machines in America.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
42. Wake the fuck up, people!
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 05:42 AM
Jun 2013

Democracy is simply too dangerous to be trusted to the regular citizen. We might inadvertently elect the wrong person.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
44. Moot point now but
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:05 AM
Jun 2013

I bet this was used to flip the Prop 8 vote in CA. I recall that polling just prior to the election showed Prop 8 losing 51 to 49, exit polling also showed it losing 51 to 49, and yet when the vote came in, miraculously it had passed 51 to 49. Just sayin'.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
52. This is why I am opposed to electronic voting.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 03:12 PM
Jun 2013

Minnesota uses paper ballots. We have a tough enough time with those recounts because some people are too stupid to fill in an oval with an ink pen. A paper ballot leaves a trail.

Wernothelpless

(410 posts)
57. Exactly what does "under oath" mean anymore? ...
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:54 PM
Jun 2013

I mean really ... our entire system of government is based on money and lies ...

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