Workers Speak Out About the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)!

[OrwellwasRight]

Please watch this video, spelling out the dangers of the TPP if the corporations get to write the rules! Be sure to sign the petition at the end and share this video in your own networks!


http://act.aflcio.org/c/18/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=7025

&feature=share&list=UU-vTWiQTFAG6Cvwsg6lk2iQ

Learn more about the TPP here: http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Trans-Pacific-Partnership-Free-Trade-Agreement-TPP

Honor workers in the US and globally today by standing for their strength against corporate oppression!

[antigop]

1. and who played a leading part in drafting the TPP? Hillary Clinton.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=67554

[Plucketeer]

2. TPP will be Hillary's "cornerstone" acheivment -

Much like the subsidizing of health insurance corporations that we've gotten as our "gift" this time around.

[OrwellwasRight]

4. And the President's!

Froman said:

Calling the conclusion of the Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade talks this year “a top priority” for U.S. President Barack Obama, U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman has indicated that Washington will pull out all stops to expedite negotiations in the upcoming TPP round in Brunei, which starts Thursday.

Double barf!

[Plucketeer]

16. Tis a sickening thought indeed

[OrwellwasRight]

3. And she's not the only one.

How about new USTR Mike Froman (former Deputy National Security Advisor, and yet another Wall Street exec picked to work in the Administration). HE literally said (about the TTIP -- the US-EU trade agreement): “The key in this agreement is not to just reduce tariffs, and non-tariff barriers, but to go after the regulatory standards."

http://www.freeenterprise.com/international/trade-forefront-us-chamber-president-chats-ustr

There's enough blame to go around about these trade agreements in which corporations are allowed to write the rules. To me, the key is to educate and act, not just to blame.

[antigop]

5. we need to put the blame where it is deserved. HRC played a 'leading part' according to

Business Week.

[OrwellwasRight]

6. So what?

Blame is also well deserved for Ron Kirk, former USTR, who lead the negotiations from inception to his retirement earlier this year. And to Mike Froman, new USTR and former Deputy NSA for Economics. At least they attended negotiating rounds because, you know, "trade" comes under the jurisdiction of the USTR, not the Department of State. Who cares what Hilary did or did not support? There is no member of the Administration who does not support the TPP. That is your job if you work for the Administration: to stay in line.

It is more important to change/stop/fix/derail the TPP than to apportion blame. That's pointless circular firing squad stuff.

[antigop]

7. no, it's NOT pointless. People need to know who is responsible for this sh*t. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

8. It is if you don't do anything about it.

How is whining about whose fault it is going to fix anything?

If I said "Great, it's Hilary's fault," would you then sign the petition?

Because if so, consider it said. x1,000,000!

For fuck's sake.

[antigop]

9. it's not "whining". It's telling the truth. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

10. Nope. Apportioning blame without taking action is whining.

By its very definition, it refuses to try to solve the problem. Try taking action. It will have more of an impact on the future than blame mongering.

[antigop]

11. holding those responsible accountable is ACTING. It's not whining.

Holding those responsible accountable for their actions prevents this shit*t from happening over and over. People need to ACT by holding those responsible accountable.

Those responsible may run for office again or be appointed to some office in the future.

People need to know who keeps pulling this sh*t on them if they want it stopped.

[OrwellwasRight]

12. How are you holding them responsible by refusing to take any action

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except posting on DU that everyone should know it is Hillary Clinton's fault? that's not holding anyone responsible. That's whining. Now, signing a petition and doing something about the TPP, that would be holding elected officials accountable.

Refusal to act is akin to the people to who stop voting because "I'll show them." Good luck with your all talk and no action strategy.

[antigop]

13. I have not "refused to act". nt

[OrwellwasRight]

14. Yes you have.

I have asked you 7 times now to sign the petition and you can do is complain that I don't hate Hillary enough. That's not "action."

[antigop]

15. You don't know what "actions" I have taken to fight off the TPP. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

17. I keep asking you to take an action. Sign the damn petition.

And you keep telling me all that matters is blame for Hillary. How is that an "action"? If you've taken an "action," share it. Please. Something. Anything. Do something other than blamestorm, which changes nothing and helps no one.

[antigop]

18. I've taken lots of "actions" to stop the TPP.

And, no, I don't keep telling you all that matters is to blame Hillary. That's what you keep posting.

[OrwellwasRight]

19. Yes, so many anti-Hillary posts.

Such an activist you are. I'm so impressed with all your TPP work. You're a model for all activists to follow.

[antigop]

20. such an activist you are...not trying to hold people accountable. What was that about

he who doesn't learn his history is doomed to repeat it?

[OrwellwasRight]

21. IT's NOT OVER YET.

What don't you understand about that? There is nothing to be "accountable" for since the TPP is still unfinished. There is in fact time to fix or stop it, which you have done ZERO towards while you make arguments based on one Businessweek article? Do you even understand how trade policy is made in the Administration? If so, you do get that it's not made by the State Department or by the Secretary of State, right?

Blame ? accountability. What don't you get about that? Are you suing her? Pressing criminal charges? Campaigning for her non-reelection to a non-elected position that she doesn't even hold anymore?

What exactly are you doing to "hold her accountable" for President Obama's bad trade policies other than blamestorming all over DU? I'm dying to find out.

[antigop]

22. No, I have NOT done zero to stop the TPP, but you just keep posting that. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

23. Post something that you have done then.

Stop criticizing what others are doing because their actions aren't anti-Hillary enough and do something yourself. Start your own anti-Hillary petition if this one isn't good enough. Or just keep blamestorming. Cuz it's super productive. In fact, your anti-Hillaryism has probably single handedly stopped the TPP.

[antigop]

24. I haven't criticized what others are doing. I've told you I've "taken actions" to stop the TPP and

fast track. What don't you understand?

I have to wonder why you are so upset that I posted the Business Week article.

[OrwellwasRight]

25. I understand everything you are saying. Perfectly. I find it 0% persuasive.

When someone posts a petition, instead of joining the cause or just ignoring, you have to criticize that it doesn't mention the particular Democrat you are not a fan of? I think that's bogus. It's an unproductive attitude that accomplishes nothing. I don't think I could be any clearer about my total disagreement with your approach and your claims of activism. What don't you understand?

[antigop]

26. I didn't "criticize" anything. I posted an article to inform people. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

27. I didn't find anything informative in the post.

It just implied nothing about TPP matters unless it also bashes Hillary. It was not supportive of the post, petition, or cause. It was only supportive of your own anti-Hillary cause.

Maybe you should start your own anti-Hillary thread. I'm sure others will be happy to join. Not me though. I find blamestorming a waste of time and energy.

[antigop]

31. There's a lot of info in the article...perhaps you need to re-read it. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

34. Sorry. Nothing new to me there.

Been working on TPP for 4 years. More important to act than to apportion blame.

[antigop]

35. Nope. It's important to see who's doing this to us. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

43. Yes. Obama.

Get a clue.

[antigop]

44. And Hillary played a leading part in drafting it. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

47. Again, I advise you to study

what USTR is and what the State Department is. I also suggest that you study how government actually works. The principals don't draft anything. Hillary Clinton didn't sit in an office and "draft" anything. USTR staff pulled out the last FTA, asked PHARMA and the US CHamber what else they wanted that they didn't get last time, and that's what the US put on the table. Hillary Clinton didn't even attend more than 2 of the 19 negotiating rounds. It isn;t possible for her to have "drafted" much of the text AT ALL.

But keep playing blamestorm. It is super effective. I think you singlehandedly stopped the TPP. Just now. With that last post.

[antigop]

49. I advise you to read the article about her "business legacy" at the State Dept.

Thanks for the kick!

[OrwellwasRight]

59. So what?

If you think that is news, you haven't been paying attention to the State Department for very long. Or to the USTR. Or Treasury. Or the entire Obama Administration.

[antigop]

37. keep kicking the thread...more people are reading the article! THANKS!

And it is getting more recs....so people are finding it informative.

[OrwellwasRight]

38. Yes, are rec'ing the OP.

That's a good thing.

[antigop]

39. and the views on the Business Week article go up. Thanks for the kick.

4364 views! WOOHOO!

People can link to the article from this thread! GOT IT?

[OrwellwasRight]

41. No, not really.

[OrwellwasRight]

45. Yes, everyone is coming to this thread

to read your post. I should have realized.

[antigop]

46. that's not what I said...people can link to the article from this thread. Got it? nt

[OrwellwasRight]

48. They can. But you assume they are. Got it?

[antigop]

50. Well, the views go up. So keep kicking! nt

[MotherPetrie]

28. At whose behest?

[antigop]

32. a leading part in drafting the TPP is a leading part. nt

[MotherPetrie]

33. At whose behest?

[antigop]

36. doesn't matter if it's at anyone's behest or not... a leading part in drafting the TPP is

still "a leading part". She didn't have to play a leading part in drafting the TPP.

It's that simple.

But you can keep kicking the thread so the Business Week article gets more visibility! Thanks!

[OrwellwasRight]

40. Do you understand what it means to be part of an Administration?

You support what the President tells you to support. And you play the role you are told to. Why aren't you dissing Hilda Solis, Ron Kirk, Tim Geithner, USTR Froman, John Kerry? All appointees who work on pushing the TPP? And frankly many of whom actually have roles drafting the key provisions? Because the one article you have ever read about the TPP identifies her? Or because you hate her?

[antigop]

42. do you understand what playing a leading part in drafting the TPP means? My, my, you sure

see to be anxious about that article.

My, my, indeed.

[OrwellwasRight]

51. Do you understand what playing a leading part in drafting the TPP means? My my my you sure

don't know much about trade policy. How it is created, who the big players are, or how to affect it. Hint: it's not refusing to sign petitions and blaming people who no longer hold public office.

[antigop]

52. I read the article. You sure seem anxious about that article, don't you?

Thanks for the kick.

[OrwellwasRight]

53. No, I'm not anxious about anything.

I just love fighting with people who don't understand basic propositions like: if you want to affect what government does, you have to target someone who's actually in the government.

[antigop]

55. Another kick...Thanks. nt

[OrwellwasRight]

56. No, thank YOU.

Really. Thank you.

[antigop]

57. Have a great evening. And thanks for the opportunity for people to know what part Hillary

played in the TPP!

[OrwellwasRight]

58. No, thank you for getting people to actually do something productive like signing a petition.

[MotherPetrie]

54. No, she didn't -- unless Obama *wanted* her to, of course.

You know -- President Obama. The one she answered to. Or was she working on TPP, the hideous agreement Obama is so very eager to foist on us, without his knowledge and direction?

[antigop]

60. She's a big girl. She didn't have to play a leading part in drafting the TPP.. it was her choice.

My, my, that Business Week article must be really damaging.

[MotherPetrie]

62. If you think I give a goddamn crap about the article you couldn't be more wrong

I don't give a crap FOR corporatist Democrats, either - whether their names are Clinton or Obama they are cut from the same end of the 1% cloth. They don't give a goddamn crap about the havoc their fucking TPP will wreak on workers. They only really give a shit about making life easier and richer for their fatcat friends.

I just think it's funny how you keep trying to keep Obama out of this disgusting betrayal of so many who voted for HIM, when he's president NOW, he was HER boss, not the other way around, so he's in it much deeper than she is/was -- and it'll be HIS legacy, not hers.

But keep trying to deflect, deflect, deflect! It won't work in the long run, though. There is more than enough stinking mud in the TPP cesspit for both of them to wallow in, while so many of the rest of us suffocate in it, but the buck is supposed to stop with Obama -- unless you think he let Clinton boss him around on TPP.

[antigop]

64. no, I am not trying to keep Obama out of this. Anyone who has read the articles on DU know he is

pushing this cr@p.

But people also need to understand the other players.


And people need to understand the damage the corporate Dems have caused.

Sorry...but the "just following orders" argument doesn't work.

btw, by "not giving a crap about the article"....you sure seem upset about my posting it. (It's now up to 4445 views.)



Have a GREAT day!

[MotherPetrie]

65. Again -- I don't give a crap about the article, nor am I -- like you -- keeping track of views.

I don't care if it gets a million views or zero views. Just immaterial to me.

And again, you are just deflecting.

[antigop]

66. LOL. Have a GREAT afternoon! 4476 views! nt

[OrwellwasRight]

61. Is nice that there is at least one person who understands how the government works

posting in this thread.

[MotherPetrie]

63. Worked for it for a long time. Hierarchy city.

[Enthusiast]

29. Enacting TPP would prove that our democracy is dead................nt

[ancianita]

30. If TPP passes, we have no more need either a legislative or a judicial branch. Cutting out Congress

probably wouldn't hurt us.