Syrians call for US intervention from besieged Homs

[Sand Wind]

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[delrem]

1. You want war, Sand Wind. You want war *very much*.

And your OPs are too flaky war propaganda.

[Sand Wind]

3. You really want the normalization of the CW and give Assad permission slip to kill.

AMERICANS SAY: NO TO NON-RUSSIAN/IRANIAN/HEZBOLLAH INTERVENTION IN SYRIA !

[delrem]

7. Only warmongers follow your professional propaganda.

We (ordinary people) have seen too much in too compressed a time (12 yrs!!!) and we've become jaded to your siren call of "atrocity -> so WAR". However you ramp it up to the max. Your professional propaganda is missing several beats, is too blatantly obvious after your documented lies of the past, and you aren't recruiting dick.

You want to put your warmongering money to best use? Then boost your Saudi/Qatari proxies, have them recruit even more mercenary killers to do your dirty business. Have them send even more war material and mercenaries through your proxy, Turkey. Ramp up your work with your proxy Jordan. The "king" of Jordan, that unspeakably stupid parasite, lives for photo-ops, so give him plenty of photo-ops while expanding your CIA bases there, and increasing the flow of CIA trained "freedom fighting" mercenaries into Syria, along with, of course, even more arms. The "king" of Jordan is too stunned to notice how he's being played.

But don't expect long-time subscribers to DU to react in the way you want to your professional propaganda. Your flood of war-propaganda OPs. You won't convert a single DUer to your cause.

[iamthebandfanman]

9. and only the self righteous

come and make excuses for the atrocities happening in Syria.


you can call people as many names as ya want, if it makes you feel better at the end of the day...


its sad that factual and actual footage from a war zone is seen as 'propaganda' rather than a view of history occurring right in front of you...

some of you will do and say whatever you need to do or say to distance yourself from it in your mind eh ?

wouldn't want to hurt peoples feelings by showing them the reality of whats going on over there, now would we ?
naaaaah in good ole 'merica, ignorance is the highest form of bliss..


heres a thought, if seeing these things hurts your fragile feelings (the ones you use to make snark comments at others who dare to show the casualties of this war) ... maybe not click on them? maybe not comment?

nah, then you wouldn't get to ride that high horse you enjoy being on so much!

the so called compassion of 'liberals' on DU these days make me literally throw up a little in my mouth.

btw, im so sorry that GWBush has made you become completely inept when it comes to stopping atrocities ... truly a legacy YOU and others will gladly raise high on a banner.

Hell, maybe people decide one day they've seen too many homeless people.. so why bother trying to help them? Maybe your sick of drug addicts, heck better make sure they stay locked up instead of trying treatment....

you guys can rant and rave all you want.. but this ME FIRST NOT OUR PROBLEM attitude is the most right wing attitude ive ever witnessed on DU .. EVER.

the phrase 'bleeding heart' sure does lose its meaning when the only bleeding it does is for yourself.

[delrem]

10. You start with a straw man and go on from there. Pfuuiiieee.

[cheapdate]

14. The devastation in Homs and other Syrian towns

has been horrific. The scale of killing has been almost unimaginable. 4 million people have fled their homes. The Assad government has used heavy artillery, missiles, helicopters, tanks, warplanes, etc., on city after city. That ain't "propaganda". That's reality.

[cheapdate]

13. This person (in the video) wants the US to help the rebels

fight against the vastly superior firepower of the Assad regime. That's not "propaganda". That's his voice. I'm sure there are a great many Syrians in besieged towns who feel the same way.

Ignoring this outlook, or dismissing it as "flaky war propaganda" is avoiding the full reality of the situation.

If you want to be anti-intervention, then be anti-intervention. But be aware that hundreds of thousands of Syrians participated in nationwide demonstrations in 2011 against the 40-year rule of the Assad family. The Assad government responded with lethal force and the political dispute has become an asymmetrical armed conflict that has lasted two years, killed roughly 100,000 people, and created 4 million refugees.

This person's desire to have the US match Assad's superior firepower isn't just "propaganda". It's his voice.

[delrem]

15. B.S. +infinity

The person making the vid wants the US to support al Qaeda in Syria and Iraq.

It's the most awful war propaganda I've listened to in my life, which includes GWB's and Reagan's wars. And those two, by Jesus, were cold-blooded war killers.

I just don't like your fucking war propaganda - I guess that's it.

[cheapdate]

16. Here's some more "fucking war propagnada"

from my local, hometown newspaper:

MURFREESBORO — Louai Faour said he’s not sure how many family members and friends he has lost since the conflict began in Syria.

His list is long.

An aunt and uncle were killed while hiding in their home. Multiple cousins have been killed in houses, on streets and while attending funerals.

...

Even more have been injured, Faour said, including the family member he said he is closest to — his sister.

Rema Faour was caring for one of his wounded cousins in Damascus, Louai Faour said, when Bashar Assad’s military launched the largest offensive with rockets since the uprising began two-and-a-half years ago.

Read more: http://www.dnj.com/article/20130908/NEWS/309080041/Family-struggles-survive-Syrian-conflict

I said earlier that you can be anti-intervention or pro-intervention. There are good people in Syria who support the government and there are good people who support the rebels. It's a complicated and most likely, intractable situation.

But your insistence on framing every voice that opposes the Assad government and supports outside military intervention against it as "fucking war propaganda" and associating them with "cold-blooded war killers" who are only interested in supporting "al Qaeda in Syria and Iraq" is dead wrong.

[lunasun]

2. but some Syrians here protested against ir

http://www.fightbacknews.org/2013/8/30/more-300-anti-war-syrian-protesters-march-chicago

[David__77]

6. I was just protesting with Syrians against intervention in SF earlier today.

One woman was interviewed and very eloquently spoke about the threat of terrorism in her country.

[Crowman1979]

4. BTW, youtube comments have been disabled for this video.

Which is more proof that this video is just more phony BS from the intelligence community.

[David__77]

5. You said "Irak, as a majority, will never regret Saddam, because he was a sunit dictator."

Do you think that the only gripe the Sunnis in Syria have is that Assad is not a Sunni Muslim?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=468422

Just curious...

[Sand Wind]

11. The exact quote :

"Ir ak, as a majority, will never regret Saddam, because he was a sunit dictator."

So it was a statically based comment.

As for Syria, there is, in some Sunnis, the preference for a sunni's president. But if Assad was a reformist ( if he did not make disappeared all reformist), they would have accept his presidency for more time. But since he use his propaganda of division by putting fear in every heart, it will need a kind of Mandella to come after to take care of the reconciliation, or a kind of process like the Rwanda where people can publicly tell their wrong...

As I see it, the rebel will win, sooner or later, bombing or not. Immediately after, they will have to fight against the black flag. Then, the international community will need to help the reconstruction, if they want a moderate Islam there. Because extremist are just taking the place that the state don't take : school, public services, economic net, arbitrage....

[delrem]

12. This is the reasoning of a propagandist intent of fomenting sectarian wars.

I note the reference to $$reconstruction$$ contracts, which is de rigueur since GWB's Iraq, a war predicated on exactly that kind of profit. Esp. the reconstruction of the natural resources sector; where it becomes stark obvious that "reconstruction" is a newspeak way of naming "looting". Look at how the very language we speak was hijacked and used against us, there!

Whew, "war propaganda" isn't an easy topic to discuss!

Libya, which devolved into an anarchy of militant gangs, has yet to pay back on the investment. One would think that a country which destroyed another country, even if "for the fuck of it", would reflect on what it did. Seemingly not in this case.

Perhaps the idea is: The US with proxies armed with US weaponry can sweep in later, after the whole ME is either in chaos or dictatorially secured, to clean up the mess and consolidate ownership of all?

That's one scenario that makes some wacko sense to me, re. Obama's military tactics.

Back to the topic 'war propaganda'. How can war propaganda foment sectarian wars in new target countries, after the examples of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, with forays in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, .... (in the interests of the "war on terror&quot paved the way?

At one time war propaganda supported the mujahideen in Afghanistan, including a leader named "bin Laden". Just as at one time war propaganda supported Saddam Hussein of Iraq in a US backed war against Iran.
There are a lot of examples of US war propaganda because the US engages itself in a lot of wars, directly or by proxy.

It wouldn't surprise me if a US war propagandist actually supported al Qaeda in Iraq and Syria, and the al Nusra front, although always saying that in fact support was only for "moderates". So it wouldn't surprise me if a US war propagandist rarely if ever mentioned al Qaeda (just because that's the truth the propagandist wants to hide), knowing that it isn't a friendly topic. Such a war propagandist would never discuss the matter of al Qaeda's (and bin Laden's) connection with the House of Saud, or god forbid explore the reason Bandar Bush is called by that name.

In fact such a propagandist will have to deny most of political reality - and make up a different story.

Students learning about "newspeak" within war propaganda efforts, and the "newlogic" that corresponds with it, take note of how fascist and imperialist gov'ts *change the meanings of technical terms*, esp. terms that occur in law texts. So-called "private interpretations of law" add a new twist but are of the same genus.

I've said enough for a post.

[iamthebandfanman]

8. JUST LIKE IRAQ!!!!!

oh wait...