Obama Signs NDAA Martial Law

[midnight]

[StarsInHerHair]

1. omg and not in a good way, signing statements? heard of any? China will give itself this power too

and so will many other countries

[TheWraith]

3. What?

"China will give itself this power too and so will many other countries"

China already has infinitely worse police powers. Not least because they actually apply to their own citizens.

[StarsInHerHair]

5. no no no, I mean China will declare its' power to go into another NATION & kill its' "witches"

so will Russia, out in the open, the authority to do the same as Obama, & however many Presidents after him.

This monstrosity has the potential to END sovereign nations, it ignores boundaries.

[rsmith6621]

2. And Ron Paul Was Absent For The NDAA VOTE

He was busy trying to win something he will never win..

[midnight]

4. I find it more troubling that Obama is present and allowing this...

[villager]

6. #1. Apparently "change" meant "change into something more like China.."

...or any other totalitarian regime.

[Left Coast2020]

16. I thought when I elected him....

I was electing someone who not only didn't mangle the English language ("we're putting food on the family&quot , but who is also an expert in Constitutional Law. I don't get it.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

7. The only factual argument I have here is that the Reichstag fire wasn't a false flag attack

Most historians agree with this position. Of course the Nazis exploited it in much the same way that the US government exploited 9/11, even though their own documents captured after the war show that they privately believed that Marinus Van der Lubbe acted alone and wasn't part of any organized commuinst plot.

However I am pleased to see someone else- even if it's a Ron Paul supporter- finally making this comparison to the Nazis. These are exactly the sort of powers they gave the Gestapo (i.e. arrest without charge, indefinite detention, no legal rights for detainees) when it was first created.

[JDPriestly]

9. Thanks, as one who has talked to a lot of people (mostly Germans) who lived in

and through the Third Reich, I have frequently warned DUers that we are in a period similar to the time that preceded the Third Reich in Germany. We face many of the challenges the Germans faced at that time.

We have an advantage in dealing with our challenges because of our long history of pulling together, protecting our rights to a fair degree and governing ourselves through our Constitutional institutions.

But our economic problems are not going to get better for quite a while, and now this over-reaction to the terrorists around the world.

Please, terrorism has been with us for a long, long time. When I flew from Vienna to the US in 1981, the security guards who checked our carry-ons when we boarded Jordanian Airlines ate some candy that a friend had given my very young children at the airport. I will never forget that. (Talk about taking candy from a child????) So I can vouch for the fact that we had terrorists then. But the extent to which our government is now responding to that threat is positively paranoid.

And the over-reaction is costing us a ton of money.

Oh, well, full employment for the paranoids among us. They need jobs too, I suppose.

[jakeXT]

10. I believe Halder, who wrote a diary about Hitler

At a luncheon on the birthday of Hitler in 1942... (Göring said)... "The only one who really knows about the Reichstag is I, because I set it on fire!" With that he slapped his thigh with the flat of his hand.

http://tinyurl.com/c54ctmk


But hey the majority of congress thinks the law is good, maybe I should believe them.

[JDPriestly]

8. I disagree with Ron Paul on many things, but on this issue I am in total accord with him.

The NDAA is basically a military coup.

[RBInMaine]

11. Ignorant Hyperbole. Yawn...

[NorthCarolina]

15. If you are referring to your response to this OP,

then I agree with you.

[SaintPete]

17. I love it when posters pretend to yawn

because it shows the rest of us saps the deep superiority of their intellect, and the calculated cool of their indifference.

[ScottLand]

12. This is a sad day for America. I can't help but weep inside.

This is another "baby step" that will lead to us waking up in a country in which we promised we'd never inhabit.

[1monster]

13. Obama thinks the Constitution is "deeply flawed"????!!!!!

Then why did he take an oath to defend and protect it?

That document, which stood quite well for 213 years (1787 to 2000) is the underpinnings and the basis of this country and provides a method for changing it for the better. That method has been used eighteen times with only 25 permanent changes in 224 years. (The 18th Amendment, Volstead Act, was canceled out by the 21st Amendment.)

If Obama wants to change the Constitution, he should use the method provided by the original framers. Using that method, ANYTHING in the Constitution can be changed. One can only presume that Obama believes that the "flaws" he sees are not seen as flaws by the majority of U.S. citizens and that the changes he wants could not be made usinig Constitional methods.

I find that I am more deeply disturbed by those statements from Obama than by anything else I've ever heard him say.

As a disclaimer, I've never been a big fan of Obama, but I've never been a big detractor either. I've never thought he was the best or the greatest, but I've never considered him anywhere near the worst. At worst, I was ambivilent.

Now, I'm worried.

[DeSwiss]

14. I don't know why all the hubbub.....

...since we've been living in a POLICE STATE for quite some time now. Since the beginning, really. That's because property ownership and Capitalism was always at the center of what was of most importance in this business of ours. And as long as it remained that way, we were never truly free.

I suppose such a blatant act such as this one, where there is no longer any pretense being made as to who holds the power in this country, may have FINALLY aroused the few brain cells that remained in denial (not everyone, of course - some still cling to HOPE!). But the disconnect between what the laws said and what was happening in reality should have been apparent. To anyone who was awake.

However, I now fear that for us to right this wrong, it will cost much in bloodshed. But of course bloodshed is what this is all about. And it will be shed one way on another.

- It's just a matter of how much and whose......

K&R

"Americans like to talk about Democracy but, when put to the test, usually find it to be an 'inconvenience.' We have opted instead for an authoritarian system *disguised* as a Democracy. We pay through the nose for an enormous joke-of-a-government, let it push us around, and then wonder how all those assholes got in there."

"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."

~Frank Zappa~

[midnight]

18. The suburbs are waking up....