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Mon May 26, 2014, 02:00 AM

 

Walmart Pre-Crime Treats All Customers Like Criminals



TRUTHstreammedia Published on May 25, 2014

...but won't/don't stop real shoplifters.

Gone are the days of "Thank you, come again (we appreciate your business)."

Instead, today's box stores target average customers as potential criminals, subjecting them to post-checkout screenings.

Because... somehow, RFID-tagged & tracked merchandise, ubiquitous security cameras from every angle inside and outside the store, security personnel, police officers and metal detectors at the door just aren't enough.

No... places like Wal-Mart ALSO feel the need to put customers -- who spend their hard-earned money on their goods -- through the inspection of a semi-retired minimum wage greeter -- an employee whose job used to be to tell shoppers "Hi" or something snappy about the current sales, but who is now used to boss around shoppers after they've already paid, and match up their receipts against the items in the cart... while everyone waits.

Why shop at a place where you are presumed guilty until proven innocent? That's where the commerce goes when smaller stores go out of business and those with the least means go where the prices are cheapest -- despite the ethics of the place, respect for the individual or the customer service.

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- Thank you for shopping. Now drop your merchandise, interlace your fingers behind your head, stand with legs apart with your receipt firmly between your teeth. If you have no teeth, they're on sale now in Personal Care products, Aisle 19.

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Reply Walmart Pre-Crime Treats All Customers Like Criminals (Original post)
DeSwiss May 2014 OP
chillfactor May 2014 #1
Flying Squirrel May 2014 #2
tularetom May 2014 #4
bayareaboy May 2014 #14
PumpkinAle May 2014 #15
951-Riverside May 2014 #3
DeSwiss May 2014 #5
Enrique May 2014 #16
RebelOne May 2014 #20
suzanner May 2014 #6
DeSwiss May 2014 #7
zebonaut May 2014 #8
SmittynMo May 2014 #9
DeSwiss May 2014 #10
Taitertots May 2014 #11
DeSwiss May 2014 #12
Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #17
lame54 May 2014 #13
DeSwiss May 2014 #23
tea and oranges May 2014 #18
DeSwiss May 2014 #22
tea and oranges May 2014 #24
DeSwiss May 2014 #25
OKNancy May 2014 #19
PatrynXX May 2014 #21
xfundy May 2014 #26
DeSwiss May 2014 #27
Nitram May 2014 #28
DeSwiss May 2014 #29

Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 02:15 AM

1. this is nothing new....

greeters have been checking receipts on a customer's purchases for as long as I can remember....and I am 72 years old

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Response to chillfactor (Reply #1)

Mon May 26, 2014, 04:23 AM

2. Costco does it

 

But you hear nary a peep about that, because Costco is such a wooonderful employer. So why is ita big deal when Walmart does it?

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Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #2)

Mon May 26, 2014, 05:40 AM

4. Actually the way Costco does it is a joke

When you're going out the door with a hundred items in your cart and there are 20 other people in line behind you there is no way they will go through your purchases one by one with your receipt.

More often than not, the door person will briefly glance at the pile of stuff inside your cart and then swipe a marker across your receipt, tell you to have a nice day, and then send you on your way. The whole process is so trivial and silly you can't be offended by it. It's also quite unlikely to expose any shoplifters.

They claim they do this to ensure that the checker didn't charge you for something you didn't get. Frankly, I don't think that's true but I'm not bothered by it.

By the way, I've never experienced it at wally world. They do have a geezer standing by the door, and he may be eyeballing what you carry out, but he has never asked to see what I have in a bag. That may be because I'm a geezer myself.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #4)

Mon May 26, 2014, 12:03 PM

14. Yeah, Costco is real jokesters...

I like how they tell us often how they pay livable wages there, but I really don't want to buy Koch Brothers/Georgia Pacific towels, too-die paper, and other branded Costco products that are Brawny or Nestle.

I live in Auburn Ca, where Costco is buying property from Placer County that will take out a Senior Citizen facility, a gym, offices for a Senior Help organization, and a group that provides plays put on and for children.

So far Costco's commitment has been 500 thousand for the seniors, screw everybody else.

As you can tell, I don't shop Costco anymore and have never shopped Wallmart. I have found though, that if someone want's to check your tag, Tell them to place you under arrest first.



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Response to Flying Squirrel (Reply #2)

Mon May 26, 2014, 01:22 PM

15. I got stopped at Costco - and I felt like a criminal

the woman who checked me out forgot the very large package of toilet rolls - even though I had pointed to them at the bottom of the cart - so I was stopped and then told to wait to the side and then a manager had to come over and re-check and I was told stay here, and then come with me so you can pay for the item - other shoppers were looking very hard and I felt terrible. I felt like shouting hey the person checking me out forgot - okay?

I wonder though how many people didn't pay for small items and were let through without a peep.

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 04:33 AM

3. Costco and Best Buy does this too

 

...I just walk out the store, always have since 2005. They can't keep me blocked in if I haven't committed any crime and if the employee tries to block me he or she will probably be fired anyway.

Circuit City used to do this as well.

Its funny watching 9-10 well meaning idiots lined up digging around for their receipts while I just walk right out the door.

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #3)

Mon May 26, 2014, 05:41 AM

5. de Tocqueville and Orwell both foresaw this:

 

''Society will develop a new kind of servitude which covers the surface of society with a network of complicated rules, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate. It does not tyrannise but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.''

''When the taste for physical gratifications among them has grown more rapidly than their education . . . the time will come when men are carried away and lose all self-restraint . . . . It is not necessary to do violence to such a people in order to strip them of the rights they enjoy; they themselves willingly loosen their hold. . . . they neglect their chief business which is to remain their own masters.''


~Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America - Volume 2

''For every heretic it burned at the stake, thousands of others rose up. Why was that? Because the Inquisition kills its enemies in the open, and killed them while they were still unrepentant; in fact, it killed them because they were unrepentant. Men were dying because they would not abandon their true beliefs. Naturally all the glory along to the victim and all the shame to the Inquisitor who burned him.''

''We do not merely destroy our enemies, we change them. Do you understand what I mean by that? When finally you surrender to us, it must be of your own free will. We do not destroy the heretic because he resists us: so long as he resists us we never destroy him. We convert him, we capture his inner mind, we reshape him. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact.''


~George Orwell, 1984

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #3)

Mon May 26, 2014, 04:53 PM

20. Best Buy has always done that.

No big deal. There is a man sitting at the door as you walk out. I just show my receipt as I exit.

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 08:56 AM

6. Another ploy at some mall stores

is to leave or 'check' your bags, totes, or large purses at the cashiers' station. That I really detest and I rarely go back to that mall. But the show-your-receipt thing I've seen for years at stores like Walmart. It's a sad world when some people feel they must shop-lift because they are so poor. I would think the guilt would prevent any enjoyment of whatever they took.

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Response to suzanner (Reply #6)

Mon May 26, 2014, 09:30 AM

7. The response of the woman shopping.....

 

...that he interviewed, who said ''if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about'' -- is exactly the place where Police States desire to be. Compliant citizens who neither question nor even know they have a right to question those who are tacitly, ''their servants.''

Walmart's policy of checking bags and carts is nothing less than an invasion of privacy. It's a policy of: ''Guilt until proven innocence.'' And no one's yet called them on it because in a fascist state, the government sides with the corporation.

Creeping authoritarianism is the way to go if you're a New World Order trying to get things setup. The despots and dictators of old left a legacy of failure not because they weren't ruthless enough, but too much. And they didn't analyze what they were doing wrong. But that is not now the case. Computers have captured us in more ways than most can imagine.

- And so the world that Edward Bernays help design and usher in, has now been achieved:

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 09:30 AM

8. Idea: Don't shop at their stores

 

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 09:34 AM

9. One reason people accept this as norm, is

People would just as soon be briefly detained, checked and let go, rather than create a scene and be further detained because you broke their stupid rules. In today's society, everyone is in a rush, and don't want any further delays in their day. Has anyone ever seen anyone detained because of an discrepancy in their cart? Hell no. Why they do this is beyond me. You just left the cashier, and paid in full all your items. There is no way you can add additional items to your cart because there's nothing on display to add once you leave the cashier. Why do a brief check again? And there's no way they can check every item.

If you blew through the checkpoint, what can they do? By the time the police show up, you'd be loaded up and gone. Did you break any law? No. Would you get arrested? No.

I agree with the original poster, you are treated like a criminal, when no crime has been committed.

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Response to SmittynMo (Reply #9)

Mon May 26, 2014, 09:46 AM

10. Yeah I know.

 

But it didn't get that way overnight. I took my first plane ride on an American Airlines DC-6 in 1966 and we drove up to the terminal in my Dad's big Buick and walked directly into the airport check-in, the door of which behind the counter is where you walked straight to the plane.

- Then something happened and we ended up here:

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 10:11 AM

11. *I'm not a lawyer* In my limited knowledge of the law...

 

You don't actually have to stop and show your receipt to the person at the door.

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Response to Taitertots (Reply #11)

Mon May 26, 2014, 10:24 AM

12. Not unless they post it at the entrance in clear wording.....

 

...so that everyone knows what to expect. And that would be limited to anything observable such as in an open cart. You're still on their property, but everything in your cart is YOUR property now, and they have no right to detain anyone, without cause.

Once they begin pawing through your personal stuff or demanding to see inside something of yours such as a handbag or inside clothing, then they've crossed the line.

If they force the issue or have private security do it, sue their asses off is the phrase for the day. Because they become liable when they don't find anything.

Things don't ever get this far, because everyone complies. And the nail that sticks up (too much) gets escorted off the property.

- I don't want to sound smug, but I don't shop in Walmart or Sams. Not everyone agrees with me though (including family members who are addicted and impervious to my pleas). Just think what things would be like if they did agree with me......

* Not a lawyer either.

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Response to Taitertots (Reply #11)

Mon May 26, 2014, 03:29 PM

17. My understanding is Costco requires it as a condition of membership.

No receipt check no membership - if they feel like pushing the issue.


I get really annoyed at Home Depot when I have to shop there for business. I'll be the only one at the register 8 feet away from the receipt checker. He watches me check out and pay and waits for me to walk 5 steps to him only to stop me and ask for a receipt.

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 11:16 AM

13. Actually the cameras are for the employees...

and to look down women's tops

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Response to lame54 (Reply #13)

Tue May 27, 2014, 12:44 AM

23. Not surprising at all.

 

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 04:37 PM

18. You Lost Me When "old ladies" Was Uttered.

How is that part of the story?

And about that story, we've been showing our receipts (to all kinds of people) for years at Costco, but then Costco is liberal capitalism. Still capitalism, still eminent domain seeking, privatizing liquor sales (in state of WA) capitalism.

Yeah Wal-Mart sucks, but this a lame attempt when there's so much substance to go after w/ this one failing business model.

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Response to tea and oranges (Reply #18)

Tue May 27, 2014, 12:39 AM

22. So now calling an old lady ''an old lady'' is a pejorative?

 

PC much?

I didn't particularly care for the term's use, but then I don't control what comes from people's mouths, either. Everyone's not as sophisticated as you and I. Realizing this can make life so much happier, you should give it a whirl!

On the whole I thought the story was right-on!

And it's indicative of how the creeping totalitarianism you seem so comfortable with, has gotten as far as it has. I'm sure Big Brother appreciates your disdain for anyone who criticizes the ''You Stole It Unless I Say You Didn't'' system.

Why is this one-failing business model important to discuss? You really asked this?

- If I may ask, why are you here?

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #22)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:12 AM

24. Call Workers "Employees" or "Workers" if you're trying to make a point.

Why are you so angry?

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Response to tea and oranges (Reply #24)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:19 AM

25. I believe he used both terms.

 

He referred to her as a Walmart employee and an old lady. Really, people need to get over themselves.

And I'm not angry, just straight and to the point.

- Besides, everybody loves me! Ask anyone!!!

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 04:44 PM

19. my local grocery closed... they sucked anyway

so like a traitor I went to WalMart. They had really great produce. I think because the turnover is so great, it's always fresh. Also some great Mexican food items... anyway, I started going there since I'm on Social Security and I could use the savings.

I have never ever seen anyone's receipt checked. I never have had it happen and I have never seen it happen to anyone else.

And great news... a Costco is opening just down the road in 2015. I'll go there when it opens to buy bulk items.

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Mon May 26, 2014, 05:58 PM

21. so after 20 yrs of doing it at sams club

now they do it at walmart ho hum..

nothing to see here.. just agism in the article

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:43 AM

26. I always tell anyone who wants to check

to call the cops if they think I'm stealing.

Fuck them.

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Response to xfundy (Reply #26)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:48 AM

27. If everyone did that, it'd stop.

 



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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:35 AM

28. Sam's club has beeen ddoing this for at least 16 years.

So what?

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Response to Nitram (Reply #28)

Tue May 27, 2014, 09:18 AM

29. So what?

 

- Oh nothing really. Nothing you'd miss, I guess. ''To each his/her own,'' I always say. And yet it appears that we may also need to add the words: ''visionary prophet'' to de Tocqueville's resume'......

Every central government worships uniformity: uniformity relieves it from inquiry into an infinity of details. The foremost, or indeed the sole condition which is required in order to succeed in centralizing the supreme power in a democratic community, is to love equality, or to get men to believe you love it. Thus the science of despotism, which was once so complex, is simplified, and reduced as it were to a single principle.

They (the emperors) frequently abused their power arbitrarily to deprive their subjects of property or of life: their tyranny was extremely onerous to the few, but it did not reach the greater number; .. But it would seem that if despotism were to be established amongst the democratic nations of our days it might assume a different character; it would be more extensive and more mild, it would degrade men without tormenting them.

After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the government then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd.

The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence: it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.


~Alexis de Tocqueville



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