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Related: About this forumThom Hartmann meltdown: "I'm trapped on RT because they pay the bills. Did I sell my soul?"
...I was just going to tell you about FOX News when I realized my show appears on a network just as bad as FOX. Now I realize what happens when you get in bed with dictatorships like Russia, I mean, my God, Russia Today is like FOX plus The Onion, except we know we're supposed to laugh at The Onion. Oh God, Putin has closed down the free press and has pretty much wrecked democracy in Russia, but I'm trapped on RT because they pay the bills. Oh my god, did I sell my soul. Why did I let my manager talk me into this. First Liz Wahl quits, now Sarah Firth quits and says "Every single day were lying and finding sexier ways to do it and now I'm supposed to slam FOX? I'm getting soooo drunk this weekend, I swear. And not on the free vodka, either!
heh
genwah
(574 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,121 posts)You also did not include a link. Please provide, thank you.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Content. It's quite deceiving. Seems an attempt to get views for a "hit piece showing Hartmann as a mouthpiece for RT....with no verification in the video which is an attack against Fox Network and MSM Disinformation. Also...no date on the video because the OP posted their OWN comment without the usual "You Tube" Posters snip of Show Content.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Why is this lie allowed to be on DU Again, since the video does NOT in anyway concur with the title of this post?
Schlomo Morgenstern
(11 posts)Just another media whore. He knows it and does it anyway.
Just like all of CNN who later admitted that they broadcast propaganda for Saddam Hussein in Iraq for 8 years - so that they could have 'access'.
So if that is what they did in Iraq, I imagine that were CNN around in 1938, they would have spread Nazi propaganda for Hitler if he let them have a Berlin office.
Pathetic presstitutes.
hardcover
(255 posts)They felt justified because it was the only way they could get access. !!!!!!!!!!!
What the Hell good is access if you can't report the truth?
At least with no access they wouldn't be spreading lies at call it news.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)At page 190, Greenwald describes the tactics used to deceive and damage reputations.
"One PowerPoint slide presented by GCHQ (the British surveillance service with which the US collaborates in spying on innocent people and spreading disinformation) surveillance officials at the 2012 SigDev conference describes two forms of attack "information ops (influence of disruption)" and "technical disruption." GCHQ refers to these measures as "online Covert Action," which is intended to achieve what the document calls "The 4 D's: Deny/Disrupt/Degrade/Deceive."
Further, a power point slide states again at page 190 of Greenwald's book cited above"
EFFECTS Definitions
- "Using online techniques to make something happen in the real or cyber world"
- Two broad categories"
- Information Ops (influence or disruption)
- Technical disruption
-Known in GCHQ as Online Covert Action
- The 4D's Deny/Disrupt/Degrade/Deceive.
Speaks for itself.
Russia uses, of course, the same techniques. Very unfortunate when they are used in the US by any person or country because some one of us who is so used to and tired of the deception of our own media -- deception for pay not for ideology -- is bound to point out what it is.
Deny Disrupt Degrade Deceive.
We see a lot of that on DU. I'm sure it is heartfelt, but it is what it is.
Unfortunately, a lot of people come to DU naively believing what they read and hear elsewhere. Their posts in their early time here reflect those borrowed ideas.
We all need to inform ourselves well enough that we can read and listen critically and make informed decisions about what may be true and what is obviously not. Having to defend your ideas on DU develops a lot of critical thinking. I know it has for me.
RT is what it is. Thom Hartmann is a great, independent commentator.
If you don't like RT, you can also hear an hour of Thom Hartmann a day on KPFK Los Angeles -- independent, listener supported radio. I don't always agree with it either, but it at least doesn't repeat the same old same old corporate garbage.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)That does not mean I trust RT. I don't watch RT much, but I have seen excerpts from it that were blatant lies.
I wholeheartedly agree with Thom Hartmann that Fox News lies.
It is sad that news media, whether it be Fox or RT is allowed to lie and never have to back up its "so-called news" with evidence. But that is the price we pay for the First Amendment, and the price is, in my view, worth it.
In reading your comment, I am reminded of the firing of Dan Rather from, was it CBS?
CBS fired Dan Rather for not corroborating the facts behind a story. Unfortunately, CBS was not so picky, not so discerning in its stories leading to the Iraq War. The reporters who repeated the utter lies of the Bush administration kept their jobs as thousands died. That's just one example of the sloppy reporting that passes as "news" in our American media.
No one expects much of RT. It has some good programs like Thom Hartmann.
If our media were concerned about presenting various sides of issues and not just the corporate/establishment side, an American TV channel would have the courage to pick up Thom Hartmann and give him time along with the likes of some of the utterly bigoted and loud right-wingers that people the TV screens and radio receivers across the nation.
Thom Hartmann's video above is well taken. The written comment on the OP is, I fear, irrelevant and misleading to people who do not have audio reception. What is good for Fox is good for RT. It's viewer and listener beware because, as Thom Hartmann says, no media is required to be honest in America. They are all permitted to lie. It's free speech.
I prefer Thom Hartmann's free speech to Fox's. How about you, uhnope?
reorg
(3,317 posts)I don't read much RT either, most of the time nothing, occasionally maybe two or three articles per day. They have an open bias, they don't pretend to be neutral. But I haven't seen a single "blatant lie". So, I'm curious, could you cite an example?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)notice such a slant that you turn it off. Just utter propaganda. Perhaps lies is not the correct word, but more a point of view that is so slanted you don't want to watch it. That is my opinion. I often react in that way when I watch Fox News or Morning Joe. It's just propaganda.
I don't read as much as two or three articles a day. I just watch occasional videos on DU. I like some of the economic commentary and some of the guests they have. I don't like some of the commentators who are I think clearly Russian. I lived on the edge of Eastern Europe during the Communist era so I may be somewhat anti-Russian. In fact, I probably am. I was in Munich when the Russians marched into then Czechoslovakia in the summer of 1968 and just struck up a friendship with a very wonderful family at a campground in what was then Yugoslavia.
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conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)Riiiiight....
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)I'll stick with MSNBC.
That's the brand closest to my ideology and I don't feel like needing a shower after watching its programming.
Except maybe the prison shit on the weekend.
navarth
(5,927 posts)..........
demwing
(16,916 posts)or stick with the voice closest to your ideology.
MSNBC is fine (better without Morning Joe, but hey...), but Thom Hartmann has more integrity in his stool than any three other networks's combined roster of "journalists."
Instead of knocking Hartmann, how about starting a letter writing campaign to MSNBC to hire Thom (and Papantonio) as full timers?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
freshwest
(53,661 posts)This is not working for you.
polynomial
(750 posts)The key idea is the lie. The at will principle to lie with no responsibility, or integrity giving unpredictable effects in social reaction is a monumental problem in American Journalism.
Especially by the Fox news media, moreover supported by the Supreme Court is antithetical to basic Constitutional values.
Now to understand from Thoms presentation the Supreme Court supports Journalist that lie is totally against the grain, against good values, against the blessings, against all that is moral.
This Supreme Court has to be the most neurotic to make such judgments. That type of judgment only induces a neurotic chaotic society.
That is exactly what is happening because of our Supreme Court, our social issues are too out of control.
This social phenomena Journalist lying, or corporate lying is wasting away the American dream, the basic culture that good. This lying cheats America from the strength or influence to improve society. Americas highest court has failed the American people and failed to defend the Constitution. They failed Gods blessings.
navarth
(5,927 posts)If it ISN'T a joke, it's the lamest attempt to discredit our most trusted broadcaster I could possibly imagine.
If it ISN'T a joke, some people here in this thread are totally not earning their filthy money.
Either way, I really enjoyed Thom's clip; this reminds me: I have to check our RT more often. Thanks uhnope!!!
Cha
(297,154 posts)journalists who don't agree with him, or his internet suppression.. and I'm sure you'll be fine, Thomm. Putin's RT will continue to pay your bills.
pa28
(6,145 posts)You are!
Those statements are nowhere in the video.
suzanner
(590 posts)on a local station. I know I'm quaint, probably irrelevant. I don't care what broadcaster pays Thom's bills as long as he's on the air, I guess. I think I'd know if his viewpoints suddenly or subtly veered into another world. I've observed that lefties are less susceptible to propaganda than the righties just by nature, overall.
navarth
(5,927 posts)...other than some questionables in this thread, that is...
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 26, 2014, 07:58 PM - Edit history (1)
I cant believe all the things I've learned from him. He backs up everything with historical and/or scientific context which is unheard of in the media. I have a biology degree and am very impressed by his knowlegde of that alone.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)It's not clear.
If this is your own commentary, you might want to take it out of the "excerpt" box.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)heh, is right.
Why are you here?