Bill Maher Makes an Obama Hating Koch Brother Shill Look Foolish

[Pharaoh]

[Xipe Totec]

1. That must have been difficult - NOT! nt

[EEO]

2. Republicans love those talking lines.

They don't know what they mean, but they love them.

[Triana]

3. Mr. Koch Shill can't say it...

...what Obama should be doing specifically: he should be being white and Republican.

"It's called leadership". . .

IOW: "I can't say the real reason we hate Obama because that would make me look like an ignorant racist asshole."

[maddiemom]

20. YES!

[Stellar]

26. That's what I'm talking about!

...what Obama should be doing specifically: he should be being white and Republican.

[tridim]

4. LOL. Perfect!

[maddiemom]

23. Also: why have even liberals gone along with right-wingers in making Joe Biden

into some kind of buffoon? Did anyone ever pay attention to this man before he was the V.P.? In the debates, he was way too gentlemanly with Sarah Palin, but still barely had to make an effort. Then, "everyone" was surprised when he took Paul Ryan to the cleaners (if "everyone" were honest). Sadly I feel (although just a few years younger myself) that he's too old to run for president, but for sure would be a far better bet than John McCain the last time around, age-wise. I've never understood how Biden was so effectively neutralized by calling him a clown, with the vaguest of actual reasons. Truly baffling. And then there's the very impressive Jill. Would this woman ever marry a dolt?

[ActiveTen28]

29. The VP is sharp as a tack and has a ton of personality to boot.

In the debates you mention, his charm played a big part in how he won. While Biden was using logic and showing off those pearly whites, Palin came across as a unprepared and Ryan as too stiff.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

5. The ones who show no respect are REPUBLICANS....

They have NEVER accepted Obama as the actual President.

It's not ALL racial. It's a TACTIC. They did the same thing under Clinton.

[Enthusiast]

12. It's mostly racist.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

15. Oh yeah,...that's right.....

They used to call Clinton "The first black president".

[maddiemom]

30. But they were just warming up with Clinton and how much disrespect that they could get away with.

The Democrats' swallowing all the B.S. Cheney and Dubya pulled further emboldened them. If they lost the following two elections, they must have been very happy that they would be getting either a (half) black or a woman Democratic president. I'm sure there was a slightly different game plan, had it been Hillary. The Karl Rove (we assume) assertion that they would "make their own reality" and other bragging claims really boiled down to refusing to cooperate with the Democratic presidents to whom they lost elections and throwing every monkey wrench they could into the governing process. Those who have called this "near treason" are right. Lee Atwater supposedly regretted his dirty tricks on his deathbed; I'm not sure Rove ever will. Politics have never been a truly clean nor idealistic way of life. When a political party (or faction) starts bragging and taking pride in clever dirty tricks, however (because the public are dolts: and who can blame the Republicans for thinking just that, due to the base they retain who are voting against their own interests), it's time for thinking Democrats and struggling new parties to wake up and join the resistance and join a bit more together. I've always admired Ralph Nader (my daughter cast her first presidential vote for him), but I admit to strongly feeling he cost Al Gore the 2000 election. Like Gore or not, there would be a number of positive advancements and less useless war over the last decade and a half had he been in office.

[Enthusiast]

31. But war was the objective.

And war remains the objective for the Neo-Cons. They altered the results of a presidential election to get their war.

[maddiemom]

32. The 2000 election seems a lifetime ago, these days. The Democratic graciousness

at THAT "defeat," just amplified the end of my middle-aging membership in the more practical end of the "hippie' years in the late sixties and early seventies. I worked two summers in Woodstock N.Y. in 1964/ 1965 Actually met Pete Seeger informally because he knew many of the kids I worked with. It was interesting: there were so many "hippies" around, but, they came largely from affluent families who had been profoundly liberal for a generation or more. They were old line liberal in a way my more recent and part Scandinavian, largely blue collar family and varied friends, were not. Friendly as we always were, I just felt a difference between between our backgrounds that I didn't quite understand, even though I was the "riding counselor.' teaching rich kids to ride horses--or maybe because of that. One note, however: many of these families were pretty "first generation," rich, or working to accept being successful Jewish among the old line WASPs. Quite an experience, in retrospect, but my lessons from that time seem only to benefit myself and children (maybe, carefully a few students). We don't seem to be progressing much beyond "lip service."

[maddiemom]

33. The 2000 election seems a lifetime ago, these days. The Democratic graciousness

at THAT "defeat," just amplified the end of my middle-aging membership in the more practical end of the "hippie' years in the late sixties and early seventies. I worked two summers in Woodstock N.Y. in 1964/ 1965 Actually met Pete Seeger informally because he knew many of the kids I worked with. It was interesting: there were so many "hippies" around, but, they came largely from affluent families who had been profoundly liberal for a generation or more. They were old line liberal in a way my more recent and part Scandinavian, largely blue collar family and varied friends, were not. Friendly as we always were, I just felt a difference between between our backgrounds that I didn't quite understand, even though I was the "riding counselor.' teaching rich kids to ride horses--or maybe because of that. One note, however: many of these families were pretty "first generation," rich, or working to accept being successful Jewish among the old line WASPs. Quite an experience, in retrospect, but my lessons from that time seem only to benefit myself and children (maybe, carefully a few students). We don't seem to be progressing much beyond "lip service."

[maddiemom]

34. To clarify: I was more comfortable with these kids from mostly WASP, old

line liberal, eastern families, in many ways, than a lot of the kids I'd grown up with in western PA, yet felt their "liberal leanings" were coming from a different place than my very mixed mostly working class, and largely Scandinavian background.

[Enthusiast]

35. You have had an interesting life, maddiemom.

We grew up in some interesting times at least.

[maddiemom]

37. Yeah, I did, and in some very different ways pretty much into my forties---a few tougher times

after that, but I can't complain over-all. Spent my last college summer at the Jersey shore, enjoying the last of the Sixties in real beach, full-tilt "Wildwood Days," which my friends had been doing the previous summers while I taught riding in the Catskills. Not trying to redeem myself, but spent some time during my last Woodstock summers and years in college involved in more serious activist work---BUT, not the kind of thing that involved more than local campus stuff. Very selfish of me to say, but it was an interesting, varied, and enlightening time all around. I regret to say that my daughter and friends worry more (as they should) on a personal survival basis and tend to get irritated about world affairs, rather than concerned. This with more promising and affluent backgrounds than many of us had---we thought. What more can be said?

[supercats]

6. Bill Was Great!!!

Nobody except Bill has put it so bluntly honest...and they have no come back!

[NRaleighLiberal]

7. that's bad Kibbe. This is good Kibbe(h)

[Triana]

22. Had to look that up...

...http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18558097

It's a shame a RWNJ has that name! Nice dish. Bad man.

[blackspade]

8. I would love to see the rest of that exchange.

Ouch, that had to hurt.

[Leith]

9. They Are Long on the Insults

Short on actual solutions. It's a good thing that there is somebody who tries to make them state what should be done. That can't be done because they have no idea about what should be done. They should stfu until they have something worth saying.

[mountain grammy]

10. Always ask them to be specific and it's the 'leadership' bullshit.

[Boomerproud]

11. K&R

Answer the question, jerk!!! He can't-none of them can.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

25. Nope

They just like to parrot the latest talking points. Frank Luntz has his hand up their ass.

[C Moon]

13. I wasn't going to watch this because I had to pull out the headphones and this and that....

(it's late so I have to keep the volume down)...but after reading all your comments I had to watch it...
and IT WAS WORTH IT!!!

[C Moon]

14. I wasn't going to watch this because I had to pull out the headphones and this and that....

(it's late so I have to keep the volume down)...but after reading all your comments I had to watch it...
and IT WAS WORTH IT!!! I also love how the guest kept looking over to his cohorts for help.

[lobodons]

16. Leadership to GOP is little dick syndrome

GOP knows nothing about diplomacy, just bombs.

[creoledna]

17. Grasps for credibility by mentioning Bush

and then realized he has no clue as to an answer. You can almost see his mind racing forward thinking I'm going to be out of a job and my income will shrink because the Koch's accountants won't be able to show a return on their investment.

What he should have said was "I don't know enough information to give you a valid opinion as to what we should be doing", which if you listen closely is what he did.

[Ineeda]

18. "...except for the bad guys..."

Maher: (paraphrasing) 'in almost all the countries of the world, his standing is up.'
Kibbe: 'except for the bad guys'

Well duh. The bad guys? Of course they don't like this president. They don't like America! If the bad guys did like him, the RW nuts would accuse him of treason or something. Oh wait.

[Triana]

21. If the "bad guys" respected Obama, then GOP would accuse Obama of "palling around"

with terrorists.

The thing is, no matter what Obama does/doesn't do, they hate him. It's a special sort of political lynching. You know how it works: Congressional and Senate Republicans refuse to do their jobs, to do anything. They obstruct everything Obama tries to do. If Obama is for it, they're against it. Even if they supported it in the past.

THEN...

When Obama does an end-run around the obstructionist wall to get things done, they call him a DICTATOR.

If he walked on water, they'd bitch that he couldn't swim.

If he cured cancer, they'd bitch because he put a hole in insurance companies' profits.

No matter what....they hate him.

They can't SAY that, so they use these vague, undefined, catch-all phrases like "leadership" to try to cover their obstinate, bigoted asses and attitudes.

Of course they can't cover it. Not at all. World sees right through them.

INCLUDING the "bad guys" - of which the GOP is very much a part. And right - they don't respect Obama. At. All.

[cynzke]

19. Bill Maher....

expert on "specific"!

[90-percent]

24. quoting from Louie on Taxi

In a battle of wits, you are unarmed.

I re-watched. Bill responded to Kibbes points with informed questions of his own with specifics. Bill was well prepared to take this guy on on the subject of Kibbe's choice. I think Bill's debating skills displayed here are awe inspiring and I wish more media people would take more clues from Bill on cutting open the MSM propaganda lock Conservatives own.

Another thing to appreciate is Bill's calm and not indignant or condescending tone. Neutral and respectful and engaging in tone. The tone I would use when talking with a good friend. (I would have a hard time being so gracious with the likes of Kibbe. Bill's self control here was ninja)

"It’s called leadership? Excuse my French, but what the fuck does that mean?"

Yeah, what the fuck does that mean?

-90% Jimmy

[Enthusiast]

36. Nice observations.

Bill is a self control ninja. I would lose my mind under similar circumstances.

[freshwest]

27. What Leadership looks like to Koch shills at Freedumb Works-for-Crooks:

The GOP always goes for the gonads first but fail to create anything of value. This particular shill is weak and ineffective and should be fired by his Koch Gawd. Let's delve further into the Bush brand of leadership he misses so very much:

Bush Defeated The Tree - Lewis Black

Uploaded on Aug 13, 2007

Lewis Black telling the thrilling, suspense filled story about how our President, who does such a cracker jack job with leading a country, defeated an evil, powerful 'ceader' tree.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, MY ASS!

Lewis Black helped me maintain my sanity during the Bush reign of terror. You guys will have to see me through the current mob of trolls.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

28. LOVE Lewis Black.

The voice of sanity now that George Carlin is gone.


I've seen Lewis live once and he's awesome. Totally nice in person offstage and good to his fans.

He's also written two books, "Nothing Sacred" and "Me of Little Faith".