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Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:44 AM

'Phosphorus' reports: Ukraine military 'dropped incendiary bombs' on Slavyansk

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Just watched this and thought it was interesting.

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Reply 'Phosphorus' reports: Ukraine military 'dropped incendiary bombs' on Slavyansk (Original post)
zeemike Aug 2014 OP
snagglepuss Aug 2014 #1
Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #2
snagglepuss Aug 2014 #3
Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #4
snagglepuss Aug 2014 #5
Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #6
TT_Progress Aug 2014 #7
KoKo Aug 2014 #8
zeemike Aug 2014 #9
ballyhoo Aug 2014 #10

Response to zeemike (Original post)

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:48 AM

1. RT is pure bullsh*t, nothing but Russian propaganda.

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Response to snagglepuss (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 10:52 AM

2. Shoot the messenger, avoid the message...i

Addressing the message, this is a weapon known to be possessed by the Ukrainian army of militia and irregulars.

No one should dismiss accusations of war crimes so dismissively.

Propaganda is in in eyes and beliefs of the beholder, didn't the I/P propaganda war teach us nothing?

Do the propaganda wars on domestic turf not turn the trick?

The military was warned by America,must yesterday, not to use heavy artillery lobbed into urban areas....what might they have been lobbing is a legitimate issue.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:21 AM

3. BS. Such a shocking story should be reported elsewhere. Why not post those links.

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Response to snagglepuss (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:24 AM

4. Not my OP.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:34 AM

5. But you're defending the crap.

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Response to snagglepuss (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:37 AM

6. I am commenting on the message, you are not. Again.

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Response to snagglepuss (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:54 AM

7. Because, Ukraine media is heavily censored. Russian media is appropriate

, but only so because unfortunately the western media is leaving out or not being allowed to bear less convenient stories.

The alternative is ignorance.

A case as good as any of the facts coming out of the west has been made including video's of the spent rockets, eyewitness reports, and video. It is up to the world to investigate further. If the west purpously ignores it tends to give credence to the reports and complaints of humanitarian issues being geo-politisized.

That is simply liberal thoughts, not propaganda or "putin loving"

Respectfully

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Response to snagglepuss (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:05 PM

8. Even "Human Rights Watch" can't make up it's mind about White Phosphorus Use..

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There many links about Ukraine using white phosphorus if you Google...but, if even HRW can't make up its mind about the reports from both Russia and Ukraine sources as to whether it was used or not...then we should keep our minds open.

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Dispatches: White Phosphorus, White Lies, or What?
June 20, 2014


http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/20/dispatches-white-phosphorus-white-lies-or-what

After analyzing the LifeNews video clip, Human Rights Watch arms researchers concluded that it didnít show a white phosphorous Ė or an incendiary weapon Ė attack. What the video actually appears to show is an illuminant or a pyrotechnic. First, the intensity of the burning and the amount of smoke it generated arenít consistent with white phosphorus. Second, the substance falling from the sky in the video has a haphazard pattern, unlike an incendiary weapon. Third, there is no flash of an explosive bursting charge, no instantaneous uniform ignition of the substance, both characteristic of white phosphorus munitions. Whatever is falling from the sky is breaking apart in a non-uniform manner, more akin to crumbling or disintegrating Ė incendiary weapons donít do this.

The accusations around the claims are still flying. Ukrainian media outlets have published an apology written by two journalists for Zvezda, the Russian Ministry of Defense media outlet, who said they falsely reported on the use of white phosphorous (among other things) in Semyonovka. However, the circumstances under which the letter was written are still unclear. Both journalists had been detained by Ukrainian security services, and Ukrainian Channel 5 aired a video of one of the two journalists stating that his editors at Zvezda said he had to do the story. Again, this powerful claim is clouded by the fact that it was made while the journalist was in Ukrainian custody. The reporterís black eye itself is a serious cause of concern.

This certainly wouldnít be the first time that Russian state media has manufactured montages about eastern Ukraine, twisted the truth, or outright misstated facts. Itís difficult to avoid the impression that aside from mobilizing public outrage in Russia about Ukraine, these manipulations aim to distract and exhaust the experts whose job it is to sift between fact and fiction. Itís like an incendiary weapon that explodes, leaving in its wake anger and disorientation until the media cycle moves on. The Ukrainian media is also no stranger to this tactic.


http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/20/dispatches-white-phosphorus-white-lies-or-what

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Response to KoKo (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 12:50 PM

9. The first causality of war is the truth.

And applies to both sides...but we believe what our sides says and dismiss the rest...

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Response to zeemike (Original post)

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 05:01 PM

10. Absolutely shocking that Petro Poroshenko would do something..

 

like this. Shocking, I tell you.

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