Pic Of The Moment: You've Really Been Reduced To THIS?

[EarlG]

Falling like dominoes: Red-state govs expanding Obamacare

State Representative to Legislature: hospitals can be dangerous

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[BillZBubb]

1. Nobody ever accused republicans of being smart.

And for good reason.

[Fuddnik]

102. Not being smart is a gross understatement.

That's some of the stupidest shit I've ever heard.

[geardaddy]

2. He looks like a Bond villain

in that turtleneck

[Cirque du So-What]

8. That's not a turtleneck

It's his retracted foreskin.

[Buddaman]

10. BAM!

[dickthegrouch]

11. HAHAHAHAHA

It's the only appropriate response to the original statement too.

Or perhaps: "Do you intend to repay the taxpayers for your unusable healthcare, Congressidiot?"

[geardaddy]

12. ...

LMFAO

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. LOL ...

as evidenced by the noted comment.

[3catwoman3]

53. Are you implying...

...that he's a d!ck?

[Cirque du So-What]

69. Let's just say that...

if he took Viagra, he'd get taller.

[Ilsa]

80. I can't stop laughing....DUzy!

[mimi85]

87. Best post of the day!!

Elsa, you're a gem, but I meant to reply to the turtleneck post. Wonder if someone calls 911 if he's worn it more than 4 hours.

[catbyte]

46. Or Pointdexter in that old kid's game "Mystery Date." Definitely a "dud."

[littlemissmartypants]

103. My sister and I played that game. nt

[catbyte]

115. I shudder now at the awful message it sent to both girls AND boys. Do they even make it

anymore? I guess it didn't do too much damage, though, LOL.

[littlemissmartypants]

116. I thought it was boring. Probably because she wanted to play it constantly. nt

[littlemissmartypants]

118. I found some copies on ebay.

It's also the name of an interesting zine.
http://members.tripod.com/~mystery_date/

Here's your dream date, lol.

[littlemissmartypants]

119. You know this makes

This the worst thread hijack, evver.

Where is the :shame: smilie?

[catbyte]

120. ...

[valerief]

3. I wonder where Republicans go when they're very sick. Hospitals, you say?

My, my, my. How odd.

[littlemissmartypants]

105. Not where they should go

Like to Planned Parenthood.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. I am at a loss for words, except maybe WTF?

A mere facepalm won't do it because I don't have enough palms or faces.

So, let me get this straight: Since sometimes people die in hospitals, and sometimes there are even medical errors that result in death, we shouldn't let people go to hospitals at all. Following this statement to its logical conclusion, we should eliminate hospitals altogether because they are too dangerous.

Also, why isn't Rep. Dumbass more worried about the people who can afford to be treated in hospitals? Aren't they also at risk from being killed in those dangerous hospitals?

[narnian60]

33. Exactly my thoughts on this.

Well said.

[Lucky Luciano]

85. There is a pic for your feelings...

[Roy Rolling]

5. it's even worse

They pass laws that women's clinic doctors must have hospital admitting privileges. There must be a part of the brain that recognizes irony and hypocrisy that is damaged/missing for these people.

[3catwoman3]

54. Excellent point about the ...

...hospital admitting privileges.

And, I'm quite certain, there is mre than one part of the brain damaged in those who think like this. The compassion part is surely nonfunctioning.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

6. GOP = Parody of Itself (EOM)

[tartan2]

7. The GOP doesn't really care how ignorant and/or stupid they sound!!

Where does the GOP find idiots like this??

[Martin Eden]

28. The GOP voting base nod their heads in agreement with ignorant/stupid

Otherwise, the likes of Mike Kennedy would be voted out of office.

The success of Republicans politician depends on knowing how low they can go into the realm of ignorant/stupid to strike chords with their base without pushing it so far that some will begin to realize they've been played for fools.

[vlyons]

30. Republicans CANNOT be embarrassed

Try as you might to call them on their stupid stuff, they will never blush with embassassment.

[DeadLetterOffice]

77. GOP = Group Of Peabrains (or Pinheads, if you prefer) n/t

[freshwest]

95. Greedy Old Patricians. They fancy themselves Senators in Rome and want to kill Caesar all the time.

And replace him with Charles Koch.

[krispos42]

9. I literally went slack-jawed at reading this.

[sarge43]

13. Next up: All female mammals should be elimated because mother's milk causes everything

Just when you think they can't get anymore stupid, they come through yet again and never disappoint

[santamargarita]

14. if you want some stupid shit, get a Republican because you can't make this stuff up.

[sinkingfeeling]

15. Alright then! Let's make sure that this guy and his family doesn't have

any hospitalization insurance. If he works for us taxpayers, let's take it away.

[underpants]

16. "I've heard...." That Mike Kennedy has no idea what he is talking about

[PatSeg]

17. That is bizarre!

Do they even listen to what they say? Maybe they just take a bunch of refrigerator word magnets and randomly arrange them.

[1StrongBlackMan]

19. Queue up the ...

spokesman's, "They took his statement out of context" statement.

[progressoid]

20. Yep, those damned hospitals could only keep my grandfather alive till he was 93!

[C Moon]

21. Holy crap! Do they ever think before they say spew this crud?

[FiveGoodMen]

27. Why should they? No one ever holds it against them.

[Duval]

39. That would require a brain! n/t

[LadyHawkAZ]

74. They don't have to. See the R-UT after his name?

He could advocate for the daily sacrifice of a basket of cute baby kittens on the Capitol lawn and he'd still get the LDS endorsement.

[Enthusiast]

22. That guy is as dumb as the Mars guy and the pregnancy -rape guy.

Where do they get these fuckers?

[VA_Jill]

23. Now THAT

is some seriously convoluted "reasoning"!

[tclambert]

24. Most people do die in the hospital. Most of the rest die at home.

So, not only should we strenuously limit who has access to hospitals, we need to make more people homeless, as well. In order to save lives. QED. Ad hoc ergo propter hoc.

[3catwoman3]

56. Ooh, don't give them...

...any ideas.

[Volaris]

72. lol at ad hoc...now I want to re watch that episode of West Wing

(ON EDIT) sorry, that was POST hoc, was the name of that episode. Just caught that. Cause apparently, today I'm so smart I could pass for the Republican congressman from Utah up there..
DERPY-derp on my part and sorry for it. Been awake too long today it seems lol

[tclambert]

76. See what I did there was change "post" to "ad" because that's how Republican logic works.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is bad logic to start with. Ad hoc makes it even worse logic. But here's this Republican saying giving people better health care will kill them. I suppose soon they'll go back to post hoc ergo BENGHAZI!

[littlemissmartypants]

106. ...

[truckin]

25. Now I get it! All we have to do is shut down all our hospitals

and we'll solve all our healthcare problems. Genius!

[heaven05]

26. he cannot be serious

or he's just without a clue as to how his 'logic' is so transparently a lie as to be laughable. I hold this individual in the deepest of contempt.

[vlyons]

29. This guy has an MD for god's sake!

How weird is that? He also has a J.D. My guess is that he would make a better criminal defense lawyer than a physician. I also suspect that he's a sociopath.

"Why no, your honor, my client was just dusting the inside of the cookie jar, when that filthy money got stuck to his fingers."

[Moonwalk]

32. From what schools did he get an M.D. and J.D.? Mail order? Online? Fundie-religious ones...

...that only teach biblical medicine and law?

[vlyons]

58. what? You're too lazy to look this up yourself?

Education: B.S., Brigham Young University; M.D., Michigan State University; J.D., J. Reuben Clark Law School, Brigham Young University
Profession: Family Doctor

If he had received diplomas from Christian faux colleges, I could understand his stupidity. But he's a family doctor! How much money do you think he bills medicare? Shame on this hypocrite!

[Moonwalk]

66. Maybe they pay him in chickens?

[Curmudgeoness]

84. Thanks, because I WAS too lazy to look.

This makes me wonder if I should have a conversation with my family doctor, just to make sure that he is not nuts.

[freshwest]

97. He knows about the lethality of Dihydrogen monoxide and O2...

[liberal N proud]

31. He is trying to say that keeping people from access to a hospital will save their life?

[Stainless]

34. This Turd is actually a Doctor!

Makes you wonder about his competency. I sure wouldn't want him treating my family.

[Enrique]

40. so was his father

[AgingAmerican]

35. Hospitals are dangerous!

People die in emergency surgery and of cancer and stuff! Maybe we should ban them outright!!

[Helen Borg]

36. You glance at this guy and you know... He's an idiot.

[SummerSnow]

37. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.-Abe Lincoln

Rethugs prove this all the time.

[ck4829]

38. "Gasp! 100 percent of people who live under socialized healthcare die sooner or later!"

[Spitfire of ATJ]

41. He obviously comes from a world where the family doctor makes house calls.

[LittleGirl]

42. I would imagine HOSPITALS might take issue

with this statement...3...2...1

[MADem]

43. Some campaign ads write themselves. nt

[SoapBox]

48. Absolutely...and the spineless Dems should be shouting this stuff.

...billboards, BIG billboards.

[MADem]

57. Well, I am not familiar w/the Utah political scene, but I imagine they will be making some hay

over this comment.

This is a state legislator, a doctor, too, funnily enough. His idiotic comments will not have much resonance past the borders of his own state, save as a "point and mock" illustration in general. I should think they'll provide plenty to talk about at the state level, though!

Maybe one of our DUers from Utah can tell us how this is going down at home...?

[annabanana]

44. "Stay away from hospitals.. people DIE there!1!!1"

oh noes

idiots

[AlbertCat]

51. "He's down at the car shed with the wounded soldiers"

"There's folks dyin' down there! And I's scared of dead folks!"

[ejbr]

45. he's got a point

Cuz there are times when mechanics dont fix cars correctly, so why go to an repair shop? Just drive the car damaged. Yeah, that's it...

[SoapBox]

47. Well I would call this guy a killer.

Really...I say that more would without access to hospitals and healthcare.

What a stupid fuck.

[Fred Sanders]

49. Ben Carson is also a medical doctor and equally insane and beholden to lying to their base.

It is what they have to do to keep the base riled up.

But this one may have even the most sedated sheep bleet in puzzlement.

[AlbertCat]

50. Every person who has died...

...drank water!

For the love of god, don't drink water!!!

[samsingh]

52. so he's saying no treatment for the sick is better?

[ReRe]

55. John Boy...

... fell off the hay wagon one too many times, so they sent him to Congress. Actually belongs in a mental institution in the line for a frontal lobotomy.

[mwooldri]

59. Says Mike Kennedy, MD - a family doctor?

What planet does he come from? All the doctors I know around me generally welcome seeing people to access health care. One of my providers who dropped taking insurance from the company who administers my employers health plan went out of her way to ensure that I still had access to her and could afford that access.

I also bet what he's been hearing from places like the NIH about a million to a million and a half people die in hospitals each year is the gross number of deaths and does not go into details on the causes of death. I bet a large number of people who die in hospital were expected to have a high chance of death upon admittance and that treatment was worth trying anyway.

I think there's a saying - something like "a good surgeon knows how to operate. A great surgeon knows when not to operate".

And the guy chairing that task force - Jim Dunnigan - obviously had a revelation, if you watch the video. In Utah (and other non-expansion states) one can make too much money for Medicaid and too little for the exchanges. He apparently didn't know that, and he's also an insurance broker! And that wonderful term "donut hole".

What is it with these elected officials?

[ALBliberal]

60. Someone challenge him to give up HIS "dangerous" health insurance!!!

[Quasimodem]

70. Yes, truly. For the sake of good government ...

... all elected officials should renounce their government paid health insurance and eschew doctors, hospitals and all medical aid.

In the case of illness, they may resort to having their horoscopes forecast, or their futures diagnosed in the entrails of a chicken, before the barber bleeds them or administers a purge, just like folks did back in the good old days.

[ALBliberal]

94. thank you for you reply Quasi .... their hypocrisy is boundless as is their insulting opinion that

The poor and disadvantaged in this country are stupid!

[Dont call me Shirley]

61. Wrong-o Mike. It's the profit motive that's killing people.

[littlemissmartypants]

108. Best

In the world and most costly. So I've heard.

[yurbud]

62. that is awe-inspiring in its stupidity

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

63. I assume he does not drive a car, since many people are killed in traffic accidents

Nor does he fly, since people are killed in airplane crashes. He has not learnt to swim, for fear of drowning.

[Jamastiene]

64. So, if I'm having another heart attack, access to a hospital is what would kill me?

Not the heart attack itself?

is wrong with these people? It is like they have brain damage or something.

[blkmusclmachine]

65. GOP to America: "2+2=5."

[littlemissmartypants]

109. America to GOP...is anyone out there?

[GeorgeGist]

67. The Stupid Runs Deep.

[Cha]

68. Mike Kennedy-Big bad gopropaganda BOOGY Man

thanks EarlG

[geretogo]

71. I think he would be happier if the the poor did their own surgery on an old wooden work bench

in the basement with Wall Mart steak knives by candle light . He would not have to pay more in taxes .
Just when you think they can't get any more hideous a psycho like this appears .

[MrModerate]

73. Wow. Just when you think the GOPers . . .

Have plumbed the depths of idiocy, they come right back and dive deeper.

[DeadLetterOffice]

75. This is the STUPIDEST thing I have read in MONTHS...

...and I read a lot of stupid things.

Oy.

[trof]

78. People die in hospitals. Ergo sum: we should close all hospitals. Also...

People die in cars.
We should outlaw cars.
Also bathtubs and swimming pools.

The dumb is excruciating.
ouch

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

86. People die in beds, too.

Beds will have to go.

[Historic NY]

79. Yes government should take the killing of people away from hospitals.

[Welibs]

81. SAVE MIKE KENNEDY! CLOSE ALL HOSPITALS SO THEY CAN'T KILL AGAIN!

If hospitals are killing people the only solution is to shut 'em all down because shit, doctors must be in on it too, right? It's a precaution just in case they get sick and forget that hospitals don't cure people, they kill people!

Health care costs will drop to about 0 so Mr Kennedy won't need that life-time health insurance anymore!

[smiley]

82. I probably shouldn't be surprised by this....

yet I am.

[DirkGently]

83. There are no words ...

(no really, no words).

[Vine Gatherer]

88. Did you know you could go into latex shock while using a condom?

Well, obviously, then, it's best to squirt away! (Which will bring more of the pregnancies the Republicans love so much.)

[littlemissmartypants]

110. Latex shock?! Is a thing? I am shocked without it. nt

[DRoseDARs]

89. Having trouble tracking his claim down, but I think it goes like this:

He may be referring to some study or report detailing deaths in hospitals from sub-standard care/malpractice or hospital-borne infections and, as conservatives are wont to do, twisting it into basis for his anti-Medicare stance.

Of course, he's still a dick.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

90. On a now-defunct talkboard

There was one conservative who kept posting articles on problems in British hospitals (for some reason, they all came from the Daily Mail or the Daily Telegraph -- two right-wing newspapers), and pointed to them as showing that Britain's National Health Service should be shut down. Taking unusual examples and pretending that they are the norm is a great example of the logical fallacy of the Unrepresentative Sample.

Another conservative used to post that the NHS was having funding problems (this was during the Thatcher years, when the NHS was being systematically starved of money) and claiming that the British could no longer afford it, so they should switch to something closer to the American system of private health insurance. I said that this was the same as "We can't afford a Toyota, so we should buy a Bentley."

The massive illogic that conservatives use to damn anything even remotely approaching socialized medicine is stunning. Of course, ACA is NOT socialized medicine. What I want is something along the lines of the NHS (government-paid health care) or Health Canada (single payer); I know what conniptions the conservatives would have if I were to suggest the French system, in which healthcare professionals are government employees.

BTW, do you know who instituted the first government-run health insurance? It was Prince Otto von Bismarck, probably the most conservative German leader of the 19th century. Bismarck did it for two reasons: To steal the socialists' thunder by instituting a program they called for; and because he believed (correctly) that it was a good thing for the German people. For the same reasons, he also instituted government sponsored old age pensions, accident insurance and unemployment insurance.

[littlemissmartypants]

111. This^ eom

[maddiemom]

91. And the alternative is?.......Die quickly?

[PatrickforO]

92. This guy's gotta be kidding!

Right?

Right?

[cstanleytech]

93. I wonder how many actually bothered to read the article about Kennedy where the quote came from?

From the replies here I would hazard to guess not many.

[nxylas]

100. I did. Both of them.

I looked for some mitigating context that would make his remarks seem less stupid than they appear on the surface, but came up empty. What are we supposed to be seeing here?

[cstanleytech]

117. That Kennedy is actually right in that access can harm you sometimes.

Example I know firsthand from is my mother went into the hospital late last year and while in there she contracted a MRSA infection which sadly ended her life in June of this year after she struggled for months to try and fight it off.
So yea sometimes access can harm.

[nxylas]

121. But that's not the part people are ridiculing

The stupid part is his conclusion that this is an argument against Obamacare.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

96. Yeah, just get a faith healer to come out to the cabin to apply a mustard poultice or leeches

That'll take care of anything from cancer to a ruptured spleen. Hospitals must be dangerous cause so many people die there. Hospice care facilities must be the most dangerous of all so don't go there.

[merrily]

98. While hospitalized, I got infections I probably never would have gotten otherwise.

I also got life saving surgery.


The answer was not to deny me life-saving surgery, but to make even more sure that anyone who touches a patient takes proper precautions.

It's so hard to believe that anyone in Congress doesn't get that. They can't be that uninformed. They are being deceptive.

[littlemissmartypants]

112. Oh, merrily. I am glad you are okay.

I agree completely. This is their version of; if you can't dazzle with brilliance then baffle with bullsh*t.

[merrily]

113. Thank you so much, littlemiss. Good way to put it, too!

[toby jo]

99. oh, no, just no….

[nxylas]

101. I last heard this argument from an anarchist-primitivist

His name was Richard Hunt and he was a former editor of Green Anarchist magazine and author of a book entitled, with no irony intended, To End Poverty. He argued constantly for a regression of technology to practically Iron Age levels, and for society to be organised into autarkies of around 500 people, each with its own non-transferable currency. Once I was in a pub with him and asked him how a self-contained village of 500 people would provide something like medical care if there weren't enough trained doctors and nurses among those 500 people. He assured me the "a village of 500 people wouldn't need hospitals". "But what happens if people get sick?", I asked. "They die", came his blunt reply.

The "people get sick in hospitals" argument was a lame attempt at backpedaling, perhaps intended to stave off the next obvious question, namely why the hell anyone would want to live in a society like that.

[littlemissmartypants]

104. I don't care how much he is getting paid to say those words and

They are very irresponsible.

Now, go to your room, republicans.

[father founding]

107. through the wormhole

They really have to seal that hole these things crawl out of.