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AngryDem001
(684 posts)What a ladies man.....
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I could see him winning. Our country is split and he gets even 10 percent of the Hispanic vote. He wins. President Bush received 40 percent of the Hispanic vote.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I am glad that i am worrying for nothing.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Rafael Edward could bring in big with Hispanics
Cruz will aim to make the federal government look a lot more like Texas.
Kingofalldems
(38,422 posts)underpants
(182,605 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)It kinda looks that way.
And that looks like shoe polish, er, hair dye, on his head....
catbyte
(34,334 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Gothmog
(144,919 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)Initech
(100,038 posts)There should be a Guinness record category for that somewhere!
riqster
(13,986 posts)Initech
(100,038 posts)Can't say the same for Values Voters!
riqster
(13,986 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)alp227
(32,006 posts)rtracey
(2,062 posts)All these idiots remind me of the president in the movie "The Dead Zone". If you are not familiar, rent it......and you will see what I mean.....
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Republican Party runs batshit crazy people. It makes people feel good about voting for conservatives calling themselves Democrats.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)could be much better spent out there knocking on doors, raising funds, and getting someone who actually wants to run for your particular set of ideals. Of course, that would mean leaving the comfort of your well worn barcalounger, and I understand that's much harder than logging on here to kvetch about Democrats. Best of luck to you.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Meow.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)But I hold an elected office in my county Democratic Party not that it will make a difference to you. Our blue collar county is strongly Democratic and has been for years. My HoR Rep is a young progressive Democrat that has taken over for his predecessor (also a Democrat) that held the office for over 35 years. When I started being active I helped the campaigns of Sen Warren Magnison and Sen Henry Jackson and have been active ever since. My state has two very strong Democratic Senators. I also support two progressive organizations, active in one, that promote progressive ideals and candidates from outside the Party.
You said: "your particular set of ideals", as if they differ from your ideals. I would be very much interested in how you think my ideals differ from yours?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)as "third way corporatists", and claiming that some spookey group, you've labeled as "conservatives calling themselves Democrats". What about so-called liberals "calling themselves Democrats" for the purpose of posting on sites like this?
So, I hope you'll spare me your feigned indignation. You could've added your comment, without the gratuitous backhand at other Democrats, but you chose to "disparage" an entire group of people who have voted with their feet & their dollars, who have built & sustained the Democratic Party infrastructure for decades. So count me as completely unimpressed.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Don't challenge the ever-growing NSA/CIA Security State, don't challenge Wall Street corruption, don't challenge attacks on SS and Medicare, don't challenge attacks on our environment, don't challenge the widening wealth gap, don't challenge fracking and cross country pipelines, or coal trains, don't challenge damaging "Free Trade" trade agreements, etc. I hope you don't think that people don't challenge the overreach of the oligarchy are "moderates". These are conservative ideals that they won't challenge.
You are living in dream land if you believe that the conservatives of the Party " have built & sustained the Democratic Party infrastructure for decades." THEY USED TO BE REPUBLICANS. The Democratic Party infrastructure at the national level has been purchase by Goldman-Sachs and their brethren for a few pieces of gold and that's just ok with you. After all Goldman-Sachs isn't so bad. They gave $500,000 to the Clinton charity. It's a small price for ripping off the 99% for billions and it's tax deductible. Win-win for the American Aristocrats.
I disparage those that hide under their beds afraid to fight for their liberties and freedoms and rationalize it by calling themselves "moderates". Those that think if they side with the big bully oligarchy, they will be spared.
Tell me what ideals you think I have that you disagree with.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)have another liberal in the White House. You busted up a thread about Teabaggers & Ted Cruz to dump on Democrats. I love how you just bring us all together.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)would suggest that Pres Obama is a liberal shows how far to the right the DEmocratic Party has moved.
Liberals don't support fracking.
Liberals don't support "Free Trade" agreements.
Liberals don't threaten to cut SS or Medicare benefits.
Liberals don't expand the Great Mid Eastern War.
Liberals don't support the XL Pipeline.
Liberals don't look the other way regarding Wall Street corruption.
Liberals don't persecute medical marijuana users.
On edit I can't leave out that liberals don't persecute whistle-blowers.
I could go on, but maybe it'd be easier if you explained why you think Pres Obama is liberal.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)here is a Democrat, but like I said, only 20% of the populace is willing to admit to being liberal. Sounds like a Green manifesto to me.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Republicans like fracking and continuous war.
By the way do you really think Pres Obama is a liberal?
Is there anything in the list that you disagree with?
Do you ever disagree with the President?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)Democrat, I don't feel the need to use this open forum, with a mission statement of "Electing Democrats", to pick apart every decision he makes. Fortunately, I have other outlets for that. I didn't vote for him (TWICE) because he was a liberal. He was left of center, and that's plenty good enough for me.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)you meant the current President. I stand corrected. I am a strong Democrat and share the mission of "electing Democrats". However, I will not support those that merely call themselves Democrats but support conservative policies like fracking, the Patriot Act and the Great Continuous War in the Middle East. And I won't blindly follow anyone and would really like to understand why anyone calling themselves a Democrat would.
Interesting that you see Pres Obama as left of center while almost all of his appointments are right of center.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)shy away from threads like this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025600533 where Robert Reich makes a great point. Don't any of you have an opinion? You're usually not afraid to speak up when you disagree. Now it looks to me like the President is placing a much higher priority on continuing the Great Middle East War than on those issues that Mr. Reich speaks of. Now I am sure some here will explain that the Congress won't fix the problems at home and they would have a point, but if it were me, and Congress was forcing me to place a higher priority on fighting a hopeless war vs. helping our own 99%, I would go before America and explain it. Tell America exactly what Congress is doing. Ask America if that's what they want.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)every thread you passed on? I just told you, I don't feel the need to trash the leader of the Democratic Party on an open forum like others. You do what you want. Only you know if your intent is as you say it is.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I don't like the expansion of the Great ME War. Is that trashing? I don't like the Patriot Act or NSA spying on Americans. Is that trashing? Seems that not only won't you challenge the President but you disparage others that do. You apparently agree with the President on all issues 100%.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)For instance, you somehow extrapolated my concept of not trashing the President in an open forum that is routinely visited by trolls, to 100% agreement? When & if I disagree with him, I won't use an open forum, supposedly dedicated to electing Democrats, to try & weaken him. I won't do it to Obama, and I won't do it to the next Democratic president.
It's the internet, and you never know who you're talking to. It could be a Green, a Larouchie, or a teabaggin' undercover troll like "Better Believe It", or other assorted crackpots. I won't give them what they're after.
Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)but save your disagreements for private discussions, why do you so actively disparage those that might be critical of some of the President's policies? Why don't you simply ignore them? By disparaging the left you are in fact giving the Right-Wing what they want.
Most of the things I disagree with the President are issues that the Right-Wing agrees with him. How is my saying that I don't like the Patriot Act helping the RightWing?
And I think your fear of having a discussion with someone that might turn out to be a "bad person" is a shame. I think it is educational to have discussions with anyone that will have an honest discussion. If someone is obnoxious I can simply ignore them. The interesting thing is that I have more trouble with those that think their idolization of the President gives them a self-righteous right to be rude. They will not discuss many important issues for fear of not agreeing with the President.
emulatorloo
(44,063 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)It would be nice to think that the conservatives of this country were idiots like the Republicans they sponsor. But conservatives have found that they can buy into the Democratic Party and successfully fool lots of people that will support fracking if a Democrat supports it. Look at Pres Obama's appointments. Almost all are conservatives. Some are Democrats and some are Republicans, but almost all are conservative. Wall Street is tickled to death with Pres Obama and looking forward to another friendly Democrat in HRC.
Those that think the war is between Democrats and REpublicans are naive. The war is between conservatives (supporting the 1%) and the left (supporting the 99%).
JEB
(4,748 posts)they make no claims as to what those values are.
RadicalGeek
(344 posts)Looking good for 2016 for us--IMO.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)niyad
(113,056 posts)us giggle and laugh in delight, not disgust.
jonjensen
(168 posts)Manson family values are the same as values voters!
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)needs to come up with a public relations trip for Huckabee to North Korea. Tell him to take his guitar. He and those in power can have a sing along. Bet he would find a way to refuse!
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)No credibility whatsoever.
By them trying to scare their base to go vote by making outlandish phony baloney claims is like watching an episode of the Twilight Zone.
The headline of the day: Strawman wins straw poll by making strawman arguments.
Cruz is like the strawman out of the Wizard of Oz, he just has straw for a brain.
More to come on the Fake Snooze Network, I'm sure.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)They want to say radical statements and it must thrill some of those in their base. I am not impressed by radicals in in either direction.
EEO
(1,620 posts)"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
Anyone want to take any guesses as to the person these quotes are attributed to?
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)sticker on a pickup from Florida, along with Heritage foundation, NRA, Sheriff's decals, save the rails, and war birdfan the last one is not trusting the liberal media....
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)The Senate will become the veto Senate. Nothing crazy will pass because a 2/3 majority will not muster. McConnell will look like a total idiot, and the country will wise up and come 2016, will elect a democrat president and many in the Senate who are up for reelection will lose, returning the senate to the dems.....
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Remember all the crazies last time. Its just as bad this time around, if not worse. I'm not worried about a thing. All the crazies last time didn't take long to fail, and fail miserably. NEXT!!!!
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)The numbers in the title of my post are the number of children Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, and Mike Huckabee have respectively. I realize that only Cruz has it listed that he thinks birth control is the same as abortion inducing drugs, but I assume both Carson and Huckabee (especially Huckabee) also oppose birth control. If these men oppose birth control why is it that none of them have more than three children? How did these men and their wives avoid having ten plus kids? Is it possible that each of these men were able to structure their sex lives around the time their wives were least likely to get pregnant? Did all of these men and/or their wives become infertile after the second, or third child?