Proof that the Kiev coup government has been lying on a massive scale.

[go west young man]

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This recently released video of one Kiev military graveyard near Dnepropetrovsk shows that the total dead from the war, just for this one graveyard, total well over 6,500 dead. This video is taken by a mother of a dead Ukrainian soldier. She clearly films all the graves and shows the placards which state the total numbers at the 3:40 mark and beyond. These numbers are well in excess of the numbers being reported by the United Nations, Amnesty International, Kiev, European and US media and authorities. The total number of all Ukrainian deaths is being compiled by internet activist investigators and is listed below along with the stand out commentary from the video.


The following link includes much more compiled information on the total Ukrainian war dead.
http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Ukraine_war_casualties#Mass_Graves_at_Donetsk


Excerpt:

Video Lady comments:

0:06 – I am now at a burial place in the vicinity of Dnepropetrovsk
1:51 – Graves are labeled by numbers, and DNA samples are kept in a morgue in Dneprpetrovsk, Mechnikov hospital
2:29 – 200 more bodies are in the process of being identified
2:47 – 'Putin should stop conflict and withdraw troops'
3:23 – Graves with flowers and crosses are those where 'authorities in Dnepropetrovsk believe that those are Ukrainian soldiers' . Crosses are numbered and have 'unknown defender of Ukraine' label
3:55 – a lot of bodies arrive, they are brought by plane
4:52 – numbers on graves refer to DNA samples (we see numbers 6552, 6554, 6544, 6447, 6076, 6077, 6346, so at least 6076-6554 are there)
5:29 – 'Putin is to blame, he and his cohort'
Concludes with 'such a sad report I have today.' So she maybe a Ukrainian reporter, possibly blogger or activist; I am not aware of such a report being published --Resup (talk) 02:53, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Not all numbers are buried at this graveyard. The numbers are the consecutive numbers at the registry at the morgue. Every corpse gets a number when it enters the morgue. Some people are identified and released to relatives. Only the ones that could not be identified end up at this lot. The running numbers only apply to this one morgue in Dnepropetrovsk. Other cities have their oven registries and numbers. The graveyard in Lugansk photographed by Graham Phillips showed morgue numbers around 1000.
Based on the numbers I come up with this guestimate of Ukrainian war casualties (KIA):
In morgues:
Dnepropetrovsk: 7000
Kharkov: 4000
Zaporizhia: 3000
Mass graves on the battlefield: 10,000
Total: 24,000

[dvduval]

1. War kills

Many Russian mothers don't even know their children were fighting in Ukraine. It's bad for both sides, and too people have died. Putin didn't have to send in troops (or allow them to go).

Ukraine needs help. Their economy has been decimated, first by corruption (much of that by Russian puppet govt officials), then by this war. There is little hope for Ukraine and Russia to to become allies again. Most likely Ukraine will need to work more closely with neighboring countries like Poland, Moldova and Europe as a whole

[blackspade]

2. What is the lie?

the # of casualties?

[go west young man]

10. Here's the UN's numbers which are being cited by US and UK media.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=49027#.VD0hYF7viFY

Excerpt:

From mid-April to 6 October, at least 3,660 people were killed and 8,756 wounded in eastern Ukraine. Since the ceasefire began, between 6 September and 6 October, at least 331 fatalities were recorded, although some of the individuals may have been killed prior to the ceasefire, with the data only recorded later.


The video above shows that the UN is downplaying the numbers. Anyone who has watched the war closely knows this. Also note that the UN never makes any mention of the easily provable fact that the Ukrainian military is comprised of pro nazi battalions who have been conducting atrocities as proven by the following threads which clearly show Poroshenko greeting and working with the Nazi fascist battalions.

Threads are identical, take your pick:

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/09/16/usuk-media-coverup-of-nazis-in-ukraine-continues-unraveling-and-mh-17-falls-apart/

Duplicate thread- http://www.discussionist.com/101458043

[ReRe]

3. This is one of those occasions...

... in my life that make me utter the words "There can NOT be a God. If there was a God, this would not be happening." It's really not clear whose graves these are, but it doesn't matter. They were human beings who all died a premature death because of a GD war.
And no way to know who many if not most of them even were. That is so uncivilized.

[go west young man]

13. The location of the grave site is in central Ukraine.

There is the possibility that some of the graves are filled with the bodies of military prisoners and abducted civilians from East Ukraine. The fact that the video is taken by a mother of a Ukrainian soldier lends credence to the point that this is a Ukrainian military burial ground. She is there searching for her son.

[ReRe]

16. Thanks for setting me straight on that....

... I'm just a bit ambivalent about believing anything that comes out of that part of the world. I admire her, because if my son had disappeared during that conflict, there's no way I would be able to walk into a mostly unmarked burial ground without fainting away or writhing in grief on the ground. They would have had to come and get me with a straight jacket and just put me in the asylum.

[riversedge]

4. I had no idea so many soldiers had died! whow.

[go west young man]

8. I have been following the war daily and compiling You Tube video evidence of 'on the ground'

activities. The US and UK media are massively complicit in covering up and obfuscating the truth. In every instance of every atrocity (including the shoot down of MH-17) they have cited the spokesperson for the Kiev coup imposed government without a shred of evidence to back up any assertions. Time and time again the Kiev government have been easily caught outright lying about their activities, yet the US media and even the UN have given them a free pass. Here are some examples from back in August where Kievs own troops were on camera stating that 3 brigades totaling 10,000 troops had been completely wiped out. This was right before the war turned against Kiev.

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/08/16/graphic-warning-video-proof-that-the-us-media-is-lying-the-naf-are-winning-in-ukraine/
Duplicate thread- http://www.discussionist.com/101444841


Here's another example of Kiev lying and getting away with it. They stated they had no BUK missile systems in the war zone when MH-17 went down, yet the Associated Press photographed them with BUKs on July 4th. They have lied to the Dutch Safety Board investigative committee by stating they had no BUK's yet they are being allowed to play an active role in investigating the possibility it was 'they' who shot down MH-17 to frame the rebels and Russia.

AP links:

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/07/ukraine_claims_winning_ground.html
http://www.cp24.com/world/ukrainian-forces-win-more-ground-in-eastern-ukraine-1.1899368


They are a suspect in the case yet they have been given a right (by western authorities) to have the results kept secret if they do not agree with the outcome. It is unprecedented in air crash investigations and reeks of a coverup.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-causes-of-the-mh17-crash-are-classified-ukraine-netherlands-australia-belgium-signed-a-non-disclosure-agreement/5397194?print=1

Excerpt:

The Netherlands, Belgium, Australia, and Ukraine have signed a ” Non-Disclosure Agreement “, which prohibits those countries to disclose the results of the survey on the MH17 and gives them a veto over each other.
We do not really know yet what it is in Malaysia.
She first “categorically refused to sign,” then it may be done discreetly. This has not been confirmed by Kuala Lumpur.
The agreement signed on August 8 states that the progress and results of the investigation into the terrible accident in Malaysian Boeing 777 will be kept confidential.
According to UNIAN correspondent, at a briefing in Kyiv on August 10, the spokesman for the Prosecutor General Yuri Boychenko, said the investigation was continuing and that the results would be published until she was quite over and only if all signatories agreed.
Each signatory may exercise his veto without having to justify it.
Only after signing the agreement that the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine has given permission to investigators Malaysian to inspect the crash site of the airliner from the “Malaysian Airlines” in the Donetsk region.

For those interested in what has really been going on, here's another one of my comprehensive threads here:

Graphic warning: Verifiable proof the US and UK media have lied about Ukraine on numerous occasions.
http://www.discussionist.com/101451370

[dixiegrrrrl]

9. Thank you for your excellent post.

Lots of information and links.

[truth2power]

5. Of course the Kiev COUP government has been lying. About many things...

including the number of casualties.

Anyone who has been following the events in Kiev from the very beginning of this US instituted mess knows that. One just has to read across the internet - dozens of credible sources, like Ray McGovern who, I guess is persona no grata here because he dares to NOT demonize Vladimir Puteen.

The propaganda shoveled up by the US media concerning Ukraine requires a gigantic pair of hip boots.

[newfie11]

6. +infinity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!nt

[ballyhoo]

11. Excellent post, Chris. I hope the doubters see this before

the post gets expunged as an opinion piece or a CT. Keep up the good work. Watch for the Putin haters.

[go west young man]

12. Thanks Ballyhoo,

I have gotten used to being shut out at DU. It's not like it used to be back during the Iraq war when we were all working together to investigate and expose the lies and crimes of the Bush admins Iraq War. This time around even the once anti-war left leaning sites have abandoned seeking the truth for political reasons. These are sad times.

[ballyhoo]

14. It is a mass regression to the mean. And in this case I don't

mean "mean" as a mathematical concept. I mean mean. I'm in a dispute right now with Muriel Volkswagon over a post I made four months ago. Very strange.

[go west young man]

17. I saw that thread they were ganging up on you in.....

par for the course at DU these days....sadly. It's interesting to note that they haven't gotten in this thread to dispute it after it's been up for 12 hours. Wonder what's keeping them? I noticed (back during my last 6 times being put on time out for exposing the truth) that they tend to stay off the thread entirely when confronted with difficult to dispute video evidence. Typical bully behavior. Having written that, I'm sure they'll now chime in with their pedantic GIF's while people are dying.

[ballyhoo]

18. Well, Judge Roy Bean (M) is always cruising somewhere...

[truth2power]

15. I just have to share this...

A while back I watched a two hour conversation with Ray McGovern; if memory serves, it was on RT, but I wouldn't swear to that. Maybe I can find it again.

Anyway, with his mordant wit, McGovern said, "Putin bad! Putin ride horse, with no shirt on. Bad, bad Putin!"

I know...but one has to find humor where one can, these days. *sigh*

[ballyhoo]

19. Here, Truth. Is this it?

This is a memory board...

http://members.boardhost.com/Ranger/msg/1379170048.html

[thereismore]

20. Lying about what? Number of empty graves?

I don't doubt that this is a graveyard with many prepared holes in the ground that may be filled in short order, I just don't see what they lied about.

[ballyhoo]

21. Did you even read the post with the message interpreted

of the Russian lady?

[hlthe2b]

22. Locking...

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