Should this image be on DU's home page??

[JoePhilly]

[Denninmi]

1. Yes.

I just posted about this very juxtaposition of images on another forum I frequent. I hope today's photo becomes one of the iconic images of OUR times, much as the Eisenstaedt image did in 1945.

[JoePhilly]

6. I saw the pic of the 2 women in another Du thread ... and immediately

thought of the 1945 picture.

[Hissyspit]

46. VIDEO:

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10172370

and Here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/default.aspx?id=45753034&ns=us_news-life&t=women-share-st-kiss-us-navy-ships-return&from=toolbar&2#.TvKp2Zh6rqF

[unapatriciated]

2. yes!

[Wait Wut]

3. Why not?

I'd probably leave out the first one. If I remember the story correctly, that sailor grabbed a random nurse and kissed her...without her permission. The second couple looks like they know each other quite well.

[JoePhilly]

8. I like them together because ...

There is so much going on in each.

Love of life.
Love of another.
Passion.
Return of people we love from danger.
End of a war.

And then ... the juxtaposition might just make some right wing heads explode.

Which is like icing on the cake.

[SlimJimmy]

29. Just to be fair, the two in the 1945 photo did not know each other prior to the kiss.

I thought most people knew that.

[poverlay]

85. That must have been one hell of a Party! n/t

[SlimJimmy]

90. The story goes that he grabbed the first person he could find and laid on a kiss.

They never saw each other again, and it was years before she was identified as the nurse in the picture.

[AlbertCat]

93. The story goes that he grabbed the first person he could find and laid on a kiss.

Good thing the 1st person he could find wasn't another man!

[SlimJimmy]

103. In 1945 I'm sure it would have been a big deal ... now, not at all.

[JoePhilly]

122. YUP ... That's part of why I like the juxtaposition ... the similarities and the contrasts.

Down thread, some one mentioned that some female soldiers from 1945 also greeted each other in a manner just like the image on the right, just not in public.

[FedUp_Queer]

100. You are so damn right.

I keep thinking that the question of the OP is a joke, satire perhaps? Why SHOULDN'T it be there? It's a beautiful photo.

[JoePhilly]

104. I asked the question in the OP to get people to look.

So not a joke.

I took the two images and put them next to each other on purpose. The picture of the two women above appeared in another OP on DU, and I immediately thought of the 1945 version.

And that's why I created the version in the OP.

As I mention up this sub-thread, the two images are iconic for a variety of reasons.

I find it interesting that some seem concerned that in the 1945 version, the couple didn't know each other, and so placing the images next to each other doesn't work.

Actually ... that fact about the couples simply adds to the layers of meaning and comparison in the juxtaposition.

After all, the images look a great deal alike ... and yet there are some very significant differences in the setting and context of each.

Take the 1945 image. There is a huge celebration occurring because WWII is over. There really is no such celebration happening as we leave Iraq.

So I guess my point is that part of the reason the juxtaposition makes sense to me is that the images look very similar, and yet beneath the visual similarities, there are also some very interesting differences.

In the OP, I decided not to try to explain the images, or point out points of comparison, but to let folks on DU feel whatever they wanted when looking at the juxtaposition.

Hope that helps.

[roguevalley]

116. aren't they just adorable?

[rhett o rick]

4. Bravo. nm

[lsewpershad]

5. Of course.

[RC]

7. I don't know about should, but have no problem with it being there.

[JoePhilly]

13. A secret ... don't tell anyone ...

I used the "doesn't this image belong on the DU home page" line to get people to look at it ... shameless I know ...

But I actually hope that the media places those 2 images side by side ... and shows them to the GOP candidates ... and then asks them what they think about the juxtaposition.

For a long time, the GOP has used manufactured anger against "the gays" because it gave them a political advantage ... I think images like these can help accelerate an end to that.

I think most Americans, seeing those two images side by side, would smile.

Of course the insane right wing base will have exploding head syndrome, but that's good in my opinion.

[FedUp_Queer]

101. Because of course...

if we deny the gays exist, they don't.

[JoePhilly]

105. The GOP of recent has been interesting on that point.

Most of the GOP front runners are trying to avoid discussion of things like DADT currently.

The country is moving rapidly forward on this issue, and its losing it political value for the GOP, except with their far right wing base.

In 2000 and 2004, the GOP in the general election found it advantagous to run against "the gays" (within their God, Gun, Gays platform).

I don't think that will fly in 2012.

Perry just tried it, and that was a huge fail. Romney just got embarrassed by a gay vet. Bachmann had an embarrassing moment when a child of gay parents called her out ... and Newt just told some a gay person at some event to "go support Obama".

So I think you are right that the GOP will probably try to pretend there are no gay people this time around and avoid making this one of their primary targets.

[Old and In the Way]

9. An iconic picture that points to progress in our society.

Like the side-by-side comparison. Good stuff.

[Lil Missy]

10. sure. it's a nice comparison from then and now.

[barbtries]

11. yep.

i'm straight and when i saw the picture on FB courtesy of TPM i got tears in my eyes. let the sun shine

[Warpy]

12. Why the hell not?

Of course, the one on the left wasn't voluntary. They had never met and she wasn't the only woman he'd grabbed on the street that day and planted a kiss on. She was just the one the photographer managed to catch.

The one on the right is voluntary and beautiful.

However, guess which one the phobes approve of.

[JoePhilly]

15. Exactly ... the images are similar ...

And they share plenty of underlying aspects ... I mention a few up thread in another response.

And beyond that ... they are also different.

As you note, one was ummm ... "spontaneous" (you said "wasn't voluntary&quot , but in 1945, I'm not sure which of those adjectives would fit best. I'm not saying that grabbing the closest women and kissing her is OK, but 1945 is not 2011. Things were what they were in 1945. Regardless ... that image is iconic.

And then the other image, as you note, is actually a real couple.

It is in my mind equally iconic because it is both connected to the 1945 image via the similarities , and then also because of the ways in which it is different.

Imagine an open discussion of the similarities and the differences in the media. I think that would be cool.

[notadmblnd]

14. I don't see a problem with it.

[WheelWalker]

16. An unqualified, "Yes".

[Scurrilous]

17. Nice job!

[cyberswede]

18. Love it!

[JoePhilly]

19. Here is another version ...

[AtheistCrusader]

63. Why do we still make them wear stupid hats?

I mean really... We should stop that.

[Control-Z]

76. Protection from the sun?

[JoePhilly]

106. LOL ... Another one of the many "layers of meaning" in the two photos.

[Denver Progressive]

69. Amazing!nt.

[tandot]

20. Beautiful pictures, both of them :)

[siligut]

21. Yes!

Beautiful and iconic.

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. You bet!

[JohnnyLib2]

23. Gets my first DU3 rec!

OK, OK, I just realized how to do it, but.....

[JoePhilly]

108. Honored to receive it ...

This is the first thing that I have ever done that mad it to DU's home page ... on DU3, or on the old DU!!!

[handmade34]

24. excellent!

[DirkGently]

25. Looks good to me.

[Jack Rabbit]

26. Looks like a good candidate, but it's not up to me

[Tx4obama]

27. Here's a couple of links to the 'article' that goes with the SECOND photo

Last edited Wed Dec 21, 2011, 11:06 PM - Edit history (1)

In General Discussion
2 women share 1st kiss after US Navy ship returns to Virginia, 1st since repeal of gay ban
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100254007

In LGBT
Navy Ship Chooses Lesbian Couple To Share Traditional First Kiss
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11371803

[JoePhilly]

109. Thanks for adding those ... I think one of those was the insperation for me

in doing the juxtaposition.

[graywarrior]

28. Freakin' awesome!

[Tx4obama]

30. Due to the fact both images are historic - YES :) n/t

[gateley]

35. Exactly - well put. nt

[William769]

31. YES!

And now it is.

[valerief]

32. Which one? The left or the right one?

[Charlemagne]

33. Citalic???

The one woman's name is Citalic Snell. I pride myself with a general knowledge of name origins....cut Citalic? What is that. Has anyone heard that before. Would be interested to find the origins. All google gives me is this story.

[gateley]

34. Yes. nt

[RueVoltaire]

36. Love is nice! What's there to be ashamed of?

[Eliminator]

39. You might want to delete your post

Just saying...

[uppityperson]

45. Never mind.

[a2liberal]

62. I think I just found the first

jury-hidden post that I would have voted to hide myself!

[AtheistCrusader]

64. Harder to see when a pizza has been delivered these days.

Hope they get the other analytics working soon on the new site here.

[a2liberal]

65. Huh? (n/t)

[AtheistCrusader]

66. That poster is effectively tombstoned.

Shall post no more forever. Harder to see than on the old DU though.

[a2liberal]

67. Thanks I think I get it now :-D

At first I thought it had something to do with the rarity of finding legitimately hidden posts or something.

[PatrynXX]

38. yes n/t

[Politicub]

40. It's destined to become iconic

And it's already on the homepage

[JoePhilly]

110. First thing I've ever done to get there. Happy this was it!!

[blackspade]

41. Awesome!

Congratulations to these young ladies and all LGBT service members.

[Taverner]

43. That kind of passion can only make me :)

[Taverner]

44. This kind of passion is not faked

This is real

As real as you and me

You can't fake this kind of passion

[Control-Z]

47. This OP caught me completely by surprise!!

And what a wonderful surprise it was!

Beautiful! Just beautiful!!

[uppityperson]

48. Yes. Good set of shots. Thank you.

[LadyHawkAZ]

49. Yes. Why? You preferred Gary Busey?

I didn't.

[roody]

50. YES!

[Cali_Democrat]

51. Well made photo

I love it

[Starry Messenger]

52. k&r

I thought of that photo too. )

[BootinUp]

53. They are both nice pictures. nt

[dana_b]

54. oh yes...

both beautiful shots

[TygrBright]

55. ABSOLUTELY!!! n/t

[donheld]

56. Everyday for a week

it's wonderful

[tavalon]

57. Yes it should and yes it is!

Love it!

[JJW]

58. Approved!

And that looks like a wedding ring. SO they are likely married!

[babylonsister]

59. YESSS! I love it, and it's overdue. I read someone on FB

(it's all over the place there) who was outraged. I laughed, wanted to rail, then figured it wasn't worth it. This picture ROCKS!!!!

[LibertyorDeath]

60. It's hard to decide

Which pics hotter!!

[DesertFlower]

61. yes. nt

[Pachamama]

68. Absolutely!

[dhill926]

70. ah.....yup....

[marasinghe]

71. yeah.

[aletier_v]

72. This pic is freaking out Freepers

God, why does it matter to them?

It has NOTHING to do with their lives.

I really don't get the knee-jerk hatred, I can't believe how downhill they've gone in the past decade.

Of all things to get worked up about, why this? It just doesn't matter in their own lives.

[Jester Messiah]

113. Good. Maybe they'll get themselves so worked up they have heart attacks.

Meanwhile, my only reaction to the photo is: Hot.

[usrname]

73. Nope

The former was two strangers meeting. The latter is of two lovers. Big difference.

[lunatica]

79. And your point is?

What is different and what is it you think is not supposed to be seen?

[JoePhilly]

91. If that is all you take from the 2 images, oh well.

In my view, part of the reason each image is iconic is not simply the kiss.

End of a war.
Spontaneous passion.
Return of loved ones.

And ... even your point makes the juxtaposition worthy of a discussion, such as 1945 verses 2011.

[ScottLand]

74. Absolutely.

[denbot]

75. As a straight Navy Veteran I vote

Absolutely. I am proud that my service is entering the 21st century.

[lunatica]

77. Absolutely! The two on the right know and love each other!

[txlibdem]

78. There is no reason why it should not be on the front page.

Who cares who you love? In the military you have one duty: to protect The Constitution and the 99%.

[McCamy Taylor]

80. This ought to increase enlistment.

[tpsbmam]

81. 'Tis on front page and LOVE IT!

Thanks for posting. In haste.....

[Vattel]

82. No fair. There should also be two guys kissing.

[paparush]

83. There were women doing the same thing at the end of WWII. They just weren't doing it in the street.

[JoePhilly]

118. Now that is an astute observation.

There is a great deal going on in the juxtaposition of these images that goes well beyond the visual similarities ... and yours is a really good addition to some of the others folks mentioned in the thread.

[Raster]

84. OH HELL YES!

[Surya Gayatri]

86. Yes, a wonderful update

of the WWII pic. We really have made some progress in 65 years. SG

[JoePhilly]

111. The many "layers" of meaning and comparison really hit me.

I saw the image on the right here on DU and then immediately thought of the 1945 image because of the visual similarities.

So I used Google to find it.

And while looking at both, the visual similarities, and the many differences if time, context, setting, so on struck me.

I'm really happy folks in DU like it.

[stuntcat]

87. Heck YES!

*happy tears*

[DeSwiss]

88. You're damned straight it should!!!

- No pun intended!

[JoePhilly]

107. lol

[dhpgetsit]

89. They are beautiful! nt

[geardaddy]

92. Absolutely.

It should also be on the front page of every major newspaper to commemorate the end of the war.

[katsy]

94. There's too little love in the world.

Celebrate these photos, and the love.

[SarasotaDem]

95. Absolutely

About time

[krucial]

96. So?

Whats wrong with it? Would people rather see American dropping bombs on people and destroying lives, rather than show people in love?

[Zorra]

97. Great post!

Thanks, Joe!

[Shining Jack]

98. Awesome!

[LaydeeBug]

99. abso-FUCKING-lutely!! nt

[Fantastic Anarchist]

102. Yes, why not?

That's hot, not that it matters.

[closeupready]

112. Should you be allowed to ask that question?

That's far more debateable, IMO.

[fascisthunter]

114. That's AWESOME!

Man, they are both knock-outs! Good for them! THIS IS AMERICA!

[Vanje]

115. YES!

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[LiberalLovinLug]

117. Definately!

A kick and a yes

[LoisB]

119. Why not?

Obviously they are glad to see each other

[fizzgig]

120. i can't get enough of that photo!

got something in my eye again...

[Plucketeer]

121. Should the image be there???

From my perspective, it does not matter. What matters more is whether or not the question needs to be asked!

[JoePhilly]

123. Don't tell anyone ... but I asked the question to get you to look.