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Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:08 PM

Pic Of The Moment: Cleveland Police Union Chief Offers Advice To 12-Year-Olds



Police union chief calls killing of 12-year-old justified

Video Shows Cleveland Officer Shot Boy in 2 Seconds



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Reply Pic Of The Moment: Cleveland Police Union Chief Offers Advice To 12-Year-Olds (Original post)
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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:21 PM

1. Jeffery, could you have tried to make it worse? You're the Union Chief? what is wrong with you

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Isn't there any one there who can see the tragedy in a 12 yr old getting killed?
**Edited to add after having just watched Andrew Hawkins....What is wrong with you heart and soul? What IS wrong with you?** end edit

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Response to irisblue (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:02 PM

14. NO Wonder the Justice Dept took over the Cleveland police force.

This Union Chief and many other like in NYC, Ferguson, speak the same way. They think they are GOD. They don't use their brains. just guns. I hope the people of Cleveland get rid of this union chief. He is most troubling. With his words, we now know why it shoot first and ask questions later. LIE about the real facts.

The whole situation by the Cleveland cops was wrong. No smart cop would drive right up beside a guy with a gun. Where are the people of Cleveland, they should be outraged by the cops actions. Why are there any sports being played in Cleveland or OH. It is a hot bed of radicals, not thinkers who are running the communities and the state. It is of course GOP controlled.

I wish the Cleveland Browns would tell him to f**K off.

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Response to sammy750 (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:47 PM

81. Let's hope

that the justice dept. will take the CPD over again. They may be racist. They may be trigger happy. They may think they are bunch of soldiers, not police. The may be all as dumb as a bag of rocks. But no matter, why, the whole dpt. needs a shakeup.

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Response to irisblue (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:53 PM

28. No tragedy to the stormtroopers because..

 

It was a 12 year old BLACK child that got his life snuffed out for nothing!

Pure filthy race hatred is what drives these people. All they see is the color of the skin. Period!

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Response to irisblue (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:54 PM

30. Socio/psychopaths believe nothing is wrong with them, it is everyone else. They accept no blame.

They do not have the self-analytical self-critical mental/emotional skillset.

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Response to irisblue (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:02 PM

143. What Is Wrong?

The answer is the LAW. There is a loophole...escape clause if you may, in the law called "Defense of Life....."Officer-involved shootings happen extremely quickly. Usually, the point from where the officer believes he has to use deadly force to the point where he uses deadly force — where he pulls the trigger — is about two seconds." That can make it much harder for investigators to decide whether or not the officer was reasonable in thinking he had to shoot."

The flaw is that it doesn't matter what we think, the law take precedence and current law says what MATTERS is what the officer was thinking when he used lethal force. All a police officer has to say is....I feared for my life. In those seconds before they killed this young boy, the officers can claim they believed the weapon was real and they feared for their lives. We need to understand WHY this is happening....bad law give police a defense that helps them escape prosecution. Then they are either disciplined, fired and victims are left to file civil suits because they find no justice through the criminal court system.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5994305/michael-brown-case-investigation-legal-police-kill-force-murder

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:22 PM

2. He forgot to add, "or we'll kill you because we can and because some of us like it

but all of us cover for it"

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:29 PM

3. K & R !!!

 


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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:33 PM

4. Is there some kind of alien invasion...

...of obnoxious, testosterone-fueled, bald-headed douchebags? I've lost count of how may times I've read about some idiot saying something especially awful and I click on a link and see a guy who looks just like this.

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Response to skypilot (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:27 PM

36. "An alien invasion?"

Lol. What a coinkydink. Ever seen Plan Nine From Outer Space? I was thinking that he looked like the guy that became a zombie in the movie.

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Response to skypilot (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 04:36 PM

55. Steroids. I beleive it is the elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring.



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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #55)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:11 PM

96. that is very interesting indeed.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:34 PM

5. He forgot to add:

"If you see a police car, drop your toy, cell phone, sandwich, etc. But do not run, because that could get you killed, too."

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Response to Jacoby365 (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:13 PM

76. you forgot "spoon"

 

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #76)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:20 PM

112. I hadn't heard of this until now.

The cops still aren't getting the message.

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Response to Jacoby365 (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:44 AM

130. Don't run, but also don't just stand there looking suspicious either.

Just act naturally, but not too naturally. This gets difficult really quickly.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:40 PM

6. He's full of shite.. no way was it "justified". killing an unarmed 12 year old. Some of the police

act like they're really dumb.. and how about that person who called 9/11 and said "the gun was probably fake but that was not revealed to the officers"! Then why the hell call? to get a kid killed?

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_police_officer_shot_1.html

Thanks EarlG

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Response to Cha (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:00 PM

93. There is that word again, "justified", the same word that Pew Reseaech used in thier push poll

declaring Americans thought CIA torture "justified". What an amigious word that is, using it without elaboration or definition is escaping the question.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:47 PM

7. This guy must want to be a dictator. He's demanded the Browns be

'respectful' as well.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 03:58 PM

49. This is the authoritarian mindset in action...

...a good retort to this asshole could be "You want respect? Try EARNING IT!"

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:56 PM

8. Authority

He is given a position of Authority, and if HE was properly trained he would have known that these so called officers that are to serve and protect, should have driven up ON the street and not on the grass, they would have assessed the situation prior to firing a gun, they did not do this.

They should have been PROPERLY trained that you do not use deadly force until the last of all options have been used and if they had been PROPERLY trained to get out of the car and they should have said "drop the whatever item the person has in there hand" from thirty or forty feet on the street corner or in a store isle, just like the human being who was murdered in the Wal Mart in another OHIO city, they did not do that.

These incidents of death and what police are and have been doing is "shoot first and then ask questions later", just like vigilantes do.
In all the current appearances they have become de-facto judge, jury and in some cases executioner


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Response to turbinetree (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:06 PM

84. More like gangsters than vigilantes

I dunno, to me, saying that someone deserves to be killed for disrespecting the guy in charge sounds more like a psychopathic mobster.

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Response to lolly (Reply #84)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:58 AM

138. Correct

When I watched the interview and he basically said that, heads I win and tails you lose mentality.
I knew from that moment forward that to get an apology from someone in law enforcement or the lack there-of to shoot first and ask questions later, shows that he has no compassion, your guilty and you have to prove your innocence even if you did nothing wrong.
The people that have been murdered in Ohio, what were they doing wrong, no one in law enforcement in that state has answered this question because they have NO answer, except you had better do as we tell you or you will face the consequences.
There supposed training tactic and procedures is on its face nothing more than confrontation.
In both of the deaths that have gained attention, you never hear them say, Police put down the whatever (play gun) and kick it over to them, not once.
And since the grand jury is rigged no wonder no one respects or thinks there is transparency in the laws and the law enforcement

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:59 PM

9. Is he the KKK Police Union Chief ??

I don't think he has a feeling bone in his body.

To justify and blame a beautiful 12 year old boy for his own death in unconscionable.

This man should not be policing anyone.

This man does not make me feel safe.

This man is a coward who represents an organization of cowards.

They are armed to the teeth.

What the hell are they so afraid of.

Their job doesn't even make the top 10 list of dangerous jobs.

They see us as the enemy.

They are bullies.

I see them as cowards, bullies and criminals.

I am sick and tired of them demanding that we respect them.

I don't respect them.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:18 PM

18. when I watched that video this is what I thought

looked like the kid was approaching the vehicle to meet the cops, and may have been pulling out the toy gun to show them it was a toy.

An LEO I know defended those cops driving _right up_ to the kid 5 different ways. But Im hear to tell you as an iraq war veteran, its just a bad idea to put yourself that close, initially, to any possible lethal threat.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:23 PM

20. Thank you for your reply and input.

Have a pleasant and safe day.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:08 PM

33. right

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:00 PM

11. We had a police chief around these parts back in the 70s 80s and 90s, one Daryl Gates.

He was of the opinion that there would be fewer beatings if people would just teach their kids how to get arrested.

Ah, yes. Good times.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:36 PM

103. I was just thinking about old daryl the other day. seems the police have been getting steadily

more and more insane since then.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:40 PM

104. for those of you fortunate enough never to have heard of this authoritarian asshole:

the whole thing is worth a read--seems he is responsible for even more of what we are seeing now than I had thought possible.

Daryl Gates
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Daryl Gates
DarylGatescolorportrait.jpg
Official portrait of Gates.
Born August 30, 1926
Glendale, California, U.S.[1]
Died April 16, 2010 (aged 83)
Dana Point, California, U.S.[2]
Awards Pmuc.JPG – Police Meritorious Unit Citation
PMSM.JPG – Police Meritorious Service Medal
– 1984 Summer Olympics Ribbon
1987pv.JPG – 1987 Papal Visit Ribbon
92riots.JPG – 1992 Civil Disturbance Ribbon
Police career
Department Los Angeles Police Department
Country United States of America
Years of service 1949–1992
Rank Sworn in as an Officer – 1949
US-O7 insignia.svg – Commander – 1965
US-O10 insignia.svg Chief of Police – 1978
Other work Businessman/entrepreneur, talk-show host, radio commentator

Daryl Gates (born Darrel Francis Gates;[3] August 30, 1926 – April 16, 2010) was the Chief of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) from 1978 to 1992. His length of tenure was second only to that of William H.Parker. As chief of police, he took a hardline, aggressive, paramilitary approach to law enforcement. Gates is credited with the creation of SWAT teams and DARE.[4] After the Rodney King beating and the riots afterward, Gates resigned from the police department.

. . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Gates

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:01 PM

12. Another jack-booted thug with a badge

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:01 PM

13. Basically

 

Fuller, like 99% of the cops out there, are as numb as a post. Evidence means nothing to these ignorant people.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:06 PM

15. this guy really doesn't seem too bright

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:15 PM

16. Sick rat bastard

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:15 PM

17. You know what asshole, sometimes cops dont give lawful orders

americans against the tea party FB page had a link yesterday to a texas open carry guy who was illegally detained by the local officers. A comment in his youtube video of this event advises that because the officers expressed disdain for this person(ie, "Im sick of you people" this was motive for civil rights violations. Not that I dont love angst for open carry people, but this was gold.

There is another video of an iraq war veteran refusing to get on the ground -at gun point- after cops pulled his friend over for driving erratically. Talk about courage. This guy is even brown skinned.

so many videos of cops acting like bullies, abusing their power, acting illegally. Fuck those guys. I know a TON of really good cops. Officers who dont get all wound up over nothing, but are still very much always on guard and ready to defend themselves.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:21 PM

19. Cop fantasizes he's a SEAL

or some sort of big bad solider. Basically he says "obey us or we will kill you." Clueless, and dangerous.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:24 PM

21. Arrogant, Out of Control Assholes.

Hey Mr. Dumb Fuck,

Who is paying your wages, pension, etc.?

The TAX PAYER! And we say stop gunning down kids!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:32 PM

22. How about this: disarm the police!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:35 PM

23. Break up and outlaw (via constitutional amendment) unions

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for anyone with the enforcement authority of the state!!!!!!!!

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Break up law enforcement unions for good!

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 03:00 PM

44. It has nothing to do with cops having a union.

 

If they had NO union, cops'd be even worse-because they'd be paid less, have shittier working conditions, and probably no pensions.

What they should get is what most union workers have...the right to strike.

If they had that, I think they'd despise the rest of the human race a lot less.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #44)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:29 PM

113. exactly right. the tough guy culture is the root issue

not the collective bargaining agreement.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:46 PM

24. This is the face of an Authoritarian Corporate State .

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Response to geretogo (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:22 PM

65. Stop pledging allegiance to it

and tell them why.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:49 PM

25. IOW do what we tell you to do immediately and without question

 

or we will kill you DEAD!

Thanks for letting us know we are living in a nazi state with paid killers..the police...dictating our every move...PIG!

"[strike]Let freedom ring![/strike]" "oh I''m proud to be an amerikan, [strike]well at least I know I''m Free[/strike]."

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:14 PM

61. He's telling the truth.

Stop pledging allegiance to America.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:52 PM

26. 2 seconds is all it took for a 12yo to be judged guilty and executed.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:52 PM

27. Makes me really embarrassed to be . .

 

from the Cleveland area. Jeez!!
But not all our police are like that.
Two police departments on the far west side (Sandusky)
assisted us in an "I Can't Breathe" march on Saturday.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:54 PM

29. Makes me wonder how many of these cases have happened but never made the mainstream. Sick!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:57 PM

31. The question that needs to be investigated is: Who owns and markets the "Shoot First" Training

Program? Who?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:05 PM

32. my additional advice:

 

just don't run, you'll be shot in the back. As far the 'police chief'? All that he said had merit, EXCEPT, Tamir Rice was dying 2 seconds after the 'protect and serve' guys drove up.....I'll never respect murderers or their excuser or accomplices.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 04:32 PM

54. +1

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:11 PM

34. I knew I'd seen his picture before.....

 

...he's the pic in the dictionary next to the word DICKHEAD.

- K&R



[center]''A call for justice requires no apology.'' ~Andrew Hawkins[/center]

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:21 PM

35. Glad to see DU calling out Police Unions n/t

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:28 PM

37. Skinheads are cops now. USA!USA!USA!

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:43 PM

41. If it looks like and skinhead and acts like a skinhead, then it is so.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:29 PM

38. This fascist kept calling the 12 year old

a "man"

They've really circled the wagons, and are making themselves look like the unfeeling stormtroopers they are. This guy put an exclamation point on exactly why people are afraid of them.

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Response to MirrorAshes (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:22 PM

57. Turned my stomach

Sometimes they deign to call him a young man. He was a 12 year old sixth grader. Still playing with toys. It is much easier to demonize a child that you killed while he was playing with his toy if he is a big scary black savage. Easier to say the parenting of this child was suspect, and deserving of a national conversation, than the parenting of a savage unsocialized wolf-child roaming free and killing four people in a drunken display of entitlement.
They need to be taught that the only authority they have is what we loan to them, under the provisos that it be used judiciously. This is the time where our local power matters, if these thugs are not removed from their positions, then we vote every single one of their enablers out of office.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:32 PM

39. He forgot the other important advice: have your kids magically be born white. The'll have

a somewhat better chance of not being shot first and 'questioned later'

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:34 PM

40. cops suck

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:56 PM

42. Legendary SUPERCOP, James Simone, said the policeman acted properly.

Legendary Cleveland "Supercop," James Simone, who retired from the Cleveland Police force, watched a tape of the event and calls the shooting justified.

Simone was involved in many shootings during his career, and was himself shot and almost killed. In his late fifties he jumped into the frozen Cuyahoga River and saved a woman's life.

Supercop always taped his actions so that no one could lie about what happened. He was even known to sue the people who lied about him.

In the Tamir Rice shooting, the dispatcher gave incomplete information to the police officers, so the dispatcher should take some blame. The officer estimated Rice's age to be 20, so to constantly refer to him as a 12-year-old is kind of misleading.

The policeman who shot Tamir Rice was following guidelines; so blame the guidelines, the dispatcher, the system, Rice's parents, and maybe even the kid who was pointing a realistic gun at people in a public place in broad daylight.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 03:59 PM

50. You've got to be kidding

It's "misleading" to keep referring to him as a 12 year old?

HE WAS A 12 YEAR OLD.

It sucks that the dispatcher gave misleading information, but that is why cops ought not be in a shoot first ask questions later mentality. Assessing the situation in front of them, rather than blindly going by what they've been told, would be a step in the right direction.

Also, SO WHAT if he had been 20. Same logic still applies.

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Response to MirrorAshes (Reply #50)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:17 PM

62. It makes all the difference in the world ...

... to infer that a cop knowingly killed a 12-year-old.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #62)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:25 PM

67. We KNOW a cop killed a 12 year old.

 

Refering to him as twenty is inaccurate and misleading.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #67)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:25 PM

86. Bad logic.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #86)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:30 PM

89. Yes, you have bad logic.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #89)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:30 PM

100. Explain. And use logic.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #100)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:36 PM

102. Explain your bad logic?

 

No thanks.

Calling a 12 year old child a 12 year old child is accurate.
That cops shot a 12 year old child near a recreation center where children play everyday. Assuming a 12 year old playing in the park at the recreation center is a twenty year old man is absurd and shows that the person judging his age had extremely poor judgement and should have never been given a badge.
After all, he was let go from a previous deartment he worked for for his bad judgement and erratic behaiviour.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #102)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:55 PM

116. He never worked for another department.

He left after the training period. But you don't care about facts, do you?

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #116)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:26 AM

121. He was being paid.

 

And why did he leave? You ignore the FACT the he was deemed not appropriate for the job by a previous department.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #121)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:32 AM

122. You have landed yourself on my IGNORE list.

I don't like people who ignore facts, distort facts, nit pick, and don't care about the big picture.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #122)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:18 AM

128. LOL!

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #128)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:08 AM

134. It's absolutely insane

That anyone would try to flip Tamir rice into being a grown man.

Oh wait - I'm wrong bravenak . . .


In America - black little boys are consistently 'manned up' by the dominant culture.

Tamir could have been 2 months old and some jackass who blindly supports law enforcement would get out there and say his pacifier was actually a gang sign.

There are way too many sick twists in America.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #134)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:18 PM

145. It is absolutely breathtaking...

 

Soon, being born will be considered 'aggressive' behaiviour. And people like Jeff will age up our babies to gangster age to allow themselves to feel okay with it.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #116)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:57 AM

137. "Left after the training period" - what HORSESHIT! He was DISMISSED

after he freaked out on the shooting range!

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #86)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:58 AM

124. what do you mean bad logic

stop already.. please just stop

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #62)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:46 PM

72. You're creating a straw-man argument.

It does not matter what is inferred--no one is accusing them of WANTING to kill a 12 year old--but making excuses for what did actually happen only clears the way for more of these incidents to happen. Is it really acceptable for them to shoot to kill before they can tell they are shooting at a child? Regardless of what they had been told, are they not capable of assessing the situation on the ground with their own eyes before opening fire?

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Response to MirrorAshes (Reply #72)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:26 PM

87. The cop followed the rules.

Complain about the rules, not the cop.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #87)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:01 AM

125. Fuck no

cops are supposed to assess situations and use their god damn fucking brains.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #62)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:45 PM

80. but what you are leaving out

is that the cop rolled up and failed to assess the situation - he rolled up ready to shoot a black person - man or boy. This is easily demonstrated by the different way they treat white people with firearms. Cops also know they can't rely on dispatch to give them accurate information, either - ask any cop how many times dispatch's info has been correct.. Cops know to verify at the scene. This cop did not. He was ready to kill the moment he arrived.

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Response to azureblue (Reply #80)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:30 PM

88. You are making things up.

You CAN'T "easily demonstrate" it. Go ahead and try! The area's top cop, and possibly the country's top cop, said the shooting was justified!

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #88)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:59 PM

92. Its laughable that you keep bringing up this "supercop"

as if he's got the final say and we should all shut up and take his word for it. What's even more revealing is that according to his Wikipedia page, he's as trigger happy as any cop around. All from wiki:

"In more than 35 years as a police officer, he has shot 11 people in the line of duty, killing five of them"

"Supercop' braces for criticism; Suspect is 5th he has killed in 35-year career"

"Supercop' Jim Simone braces for criticism after Wednesday shooting"

"Supercop' Simone won't be charged in fatal shooting"

Yeah--this guy sounds like a real authority on restraint.




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Response to MirrorAshes (Reply #92)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:21 PM

98. His camera backs up all his claims.

He's an authority on policing, and on the use of deadly force, not necessarily on restraint.

He goes where others fear to go, as evidenced by his diving into the icy Cuyahoga River in his late 50s to save a woman who would have otherwise drowned.

I'm guessing that YOU haven't risked the life of your kids' father every day for 40 years in the course of your job.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #98)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:08 PM

109. None of this changes the central point

Nobody--not this cop or any cop--can definitively say what the cops in question did was justified. Even the best case scenario, that they were following procedure, just proves that the procedure needs a major overhaul, because it does not work.

And please, this isn't about me. It's not about you, your supercop, or anybody else except the people responsible for the systemic abuse of power and the status quo that protects them. Take your phony authority and spew it somewhere else.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:24 PM

77. the guidelines say pull up 2 feet from the guy and shoot the fuck out of him?

 

Bullshit and fuck off.


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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #77)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:02 AM

126. Well stated

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #77)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:58 AM

131. True that.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:58 PM

82. The policeman that shot the 12 year old kid was unfit for duty.

 

Why are you defending a cop that was let go for being unfit for duty? Until cops start taking some blame for their actions, expect the public's opinion of them to go lower and lower.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:20 PM

85. Gee, who confers the "Legendary Supercop" title?

Didn't know there was a police ranking for that.

And did this Super Duper Double Special Legendary Magical Cop say anything about leaving the child fighting for his life for 4 f-ing minutes without bothering to administer first aid or call for help? Guess that's not in the Legendary Super Cop job description.

And yes, the officer had been deemed unfit for duty. His shooting performance was "dismal," according to a former supervisor, he was distracted on the job, weepy about a breakup with a girlfriend. Not the sort of fellow who should be allowed to handle a pair of pliers, much less a gun. Also not the sort I would trust to assess a 12 year old boy's age.

And I suspect even Legendary Super Cops take more than 2 seconds to process a car careening towards them out of the blue and shouting orders at them.

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Response to lolly (Reply #85)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:56 PM

107. this is the "supercop" to whom the poster refers:

http://www.cleveland.com/morris/index.ssf/2012/07/clevelands_retired_super-cop_j.html

seems that not everyone was superimpressed with his style of policing (and the reference to his vet status brings to mind all the former soldiers now on police forces)

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:50 PM

105. who named this person a supercop? based on what criteria? how many people he killed?

is that supposed to impress us?

hero syndrome, anyone?

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:35 PM

115. they acted properly by driving within 8 feet of a person suspected of menacing w/ a firearm

bullshit. So what if he was 20, the 2.0 seconds of interaction they had somehow justifies him being shot?

how many times can a person react to 'show me your hands" in 2 seconds? None. He wasnt even fully out of the car when he was shooting.

they drove up dangerously close to a 'person with a gun'. They created this super close life or death situation. There is ZERO way they could have had POSITIVE ID on a weapon in this scenario. They acted foolishly and killed a 12 year old kid.

and you are defending them. "guidelines" are not an excuse. Dispatchers are NOT law enforcement - to wit, anyone who has ever worked in and around law enforcement knows full well that, like any 'intel', it is often completely wrong.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #115)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:57 PM

117. thank you

that is the jist of it.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 02:58 PM

43. What commands was Tamir GIVEN?

 

All they did was roll up and smoke the kid.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 03:41 PM

47. He WAS given commands. The tape verifies it.

He was given commands AND he reached for the gun AND he had been pointing it at passers by.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #47)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:28 PM

58. Umm..

There must be a new tape; from a different angle maybe?
The tape I believe most of us have seen does not show any of that.

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Response to Kencorburn (Reply #58)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:20 PM

64. James Simone, Cleveland's "Supercop," verifies that procedure was followed.

He watched the tape carefully at a local TV station. I will take his word over ANYBODY'S!

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #64)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:28 PM

68. I watched the tape too.

 

Less than 2 seconds to comply. If I cannot recieve commands, process them, and respond in 2 seconds, then neither could that child.
When strange people pull up on you yelling, it takes longer to process that you are the person they are speaking to.

That cop had previously left a department because of his INSTABILITY.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #64)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:50 PM

74. Your "supercop" is still human

And still attempting to cover his comrade's asses. I don't care if the pope himself said it was justified--no one is infallible, especially not some local celebrity cop.

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Response to MirrorAshes (Reply #74)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 10:10 PM

147. Ignoring experts who have "walked the walk" is not a good thing.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #64)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:11 PM

110. you know, it is almost scary how much your posts indicate that you worship this guy.

interesting that many people in that city feel quite differently about him.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #64)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:05 AM

127. Fucking supercop my fucking ass

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #64)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:11 PM

144. Let's see...he's a supercop...and cops are lying assholes...so...

...he's a lying superasshole!

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #47)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:03 PM

75. The tape couldn't confirm that, because there was no audio on the tape.

 

The cops just rolled up and instantly wasted the kid.

They didn't even say "drop the gun".

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #47)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:02 PM

146. witness 40! welcome to du!

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 03:01 PM

45. His kids "know what to do"...

They just flash the "get out of jail free" courtesy card that daddy gave them. That identifies them as family of a police officer and expedites their friendly warning before continuing on their way.

Maybe he thinks no one knows about that.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #45)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 03:47 PM

48. Too soon ...

to make assumptions about his kids. Wait until they wave a realistic gun around in a public place and point it at people.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 03:25 PM

46. So I guess if his 12 year old

... child was shot down by the police and killed, that would be okay with him because the child didn't do what they were told.

Children do not have an opportunity to grow up and mature.. Especially, if they are black. You just shot them down like rats!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 04:12 PM

51. I think we should take guns away from local law enforcement.

 

They can not be trusted, much of the time. And then when they kill an innocent person, they rationalize why that's okay.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:22 PM

66. You should volunteer YOUR neighborhood for an experimental study.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #66)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:29 PM

69. How bout you volunteer yours?

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 04:28 PM

52. As long as law enforcement pretends they are perfect

 

people will continue to distance and be wary of cops. No wonder we have so many problems with cops.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 04:31 PM

53. its just

so completely and absolutely disturbing. I just don't have words for it. It literally makes me sick, and not just the angry way but the defeated and crushed way.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 04:54 PM

56. He's the best possible spokesman to highlight the fact that modern police in America are

arrogant, aggressive, insular, immoral, uncaring, and completely out of touch with the society they are supposed to serve.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #56)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:56 PM

90. +1 same thought here

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 06:48 PM

59. I'd jsut like to say

 

FUCK THIS GUY, FUCK HIM ENTIRELY !!!!

That's all had to say.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 06:57 PM

60. Let's be honest, there are some DUers who say nearly the same thing.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:19 PM

63. Nazi filth.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:29 PM

70. When did the military "skin-head look" come into vogue for policemen?

It's like they are all shorn for battle.

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Response to livingonearth (Reply #70)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:11 AM

120. I try to be charitable -- I assume he's fighting a lice problem. nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:32 PM

71. Is this now the new penal code.

Not listening to a cop= death penalty for minors?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:49 PM

73. 2 Seconds...

How you beat the clock on that, Mr. Police Chief?

The words, "Just stop" take up at least ONE second… The "listen to what we tell you and just stop" would be at least 2 seconds.

Fucking tyrants...

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:29 PM

78. The Browns should pull

their security contracts with the CPD.

That solves the problem with supporting the Browns with private security.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:32 PM

79. So, 12 year old kids have 2 seconds to think of the right way to kiss a cop's ass or

it's their ass...in the morgue. Got it. And we are not supposed to call cops like that unreasonable militarized thugs? I got news for them. That's exactly what they are. What a fucking asshole that guy is.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:00 PM

83. So does super dumbfuck cop know that the killer was let go for being unfit for duty?

 

Of course he does...cops protecting any and all with a badge...pathetic.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:57 PM

91. This man should resign for those comments...and to say his kids know what to do when they

are approached by a cop....cower in fear and servitude. I am sure they do, my sympathies to them.

Power corrupts, it absolutely corrupts the weak minded.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:03 PM

94. Remember kids! If you want to play army - become a cop!

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:09 PM

95. JEFF9K you are an . .

 

embarrassment to northern Ohio, where I grew up and
still live.
Citing a single source, super Simone or whoever, to make your
argument is not in the least persuasive.
That child was murdered.
Do you really call yourself a democrat?
I would respectfully like to know why.

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Response to FairWinds (Reply #95)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:27 PM

99. I'm citing a foremost authority on the use of deadly force ...

in this argument that involves the use of deadly force.

I have voted for the most progressive Democrats on the ballot for years.

You think that blind hatred of cops is part of the Democratic agenda?

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #99)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:51 AM

123. "You think that blind hatred of cops is part of the Democratic agenda?"

 

No.

That's part of the problem.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:16 PM

97. what in the nine circles of hell is WRONG with you, you authoritarian asshole?

and why is it that so many of these assholes look like skinheads? is it their lack of hirsuteness that makes them so full of hate and rage?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:32 PM

101. The first reports stated

That the officer told Tamir to "drop the weapon." After they discovered there was video, the cops changed the story to, they told Tamir to "put his hands up."

Judging from the video, that child was told to drop the weapon. He went to do just that, pulling his toy gun from pocket or waistband, when he was murdered in cold blood.

I have looked repeatedly but am unable to find those first reports. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the first story was the truth.

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Response to marym625 (Reply #101)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:14 PM

111. Tim Loehmann seemed to already have his gun unholstered and ready to fire coming out of the vehicle.



Who are all of these people Tamir is aiming at? 1 passerby, he just mostly ignored, as he did the 911 caller in the gazebo, and he eventually left. In fact, there doesn't seem to be a deluge of people even at this park.

Also, why would you pull what seems to be 2-3 feet away from a suspected dangerous threat? Do I have to be a cop to know that's just a blatantly stupid idea and in no way part of proper tactics in dealing/negotiating with a supposedly armed suspect?

Are the yee-haw racist cousinhumpers online still going to tell me that Tim Loehmann told him "Hands on your head!!" THREE TIMES?? It proves that people only see what they want to see, as the elapsed time (giving the cops the benefit of the doubt) on the screen clock from the time they appear on the screen to the time they shot him in the chest was 3 seconds and some change. That means that they only had two seconds to reel off three (according to the report) "HANDS ON YOUR HEAD!" commands. NOT HAPPENING.

The kid looks like he's just confused as to what to do, which would likely happen if cops stormed up on you yelling random things and you're in your own little world, as a 12 year old likely would be.

Why are they just standing over him doing nothing?

This was a fucking drive-up 2A Death Sentence by a severely incompetent and untrained LEO.

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Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #111)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:33 PM

114. Oh he for sure had his gun drawn

The reports I have seen say under 2 seconds.

I believe that they shouted the command from the car as driving up, through the pa system. But it wasn't hands up, it was drop the weapon. The bewildered Tamir walked up to the car, trying to drop his toy.

One of the passersby was a friend.

Tamir's sister was at the park, at a different area. When she got to the the scene, seeing her brother lying, bleeding on the ground, the cops cuffed her and threw her in the back of the car. When Mrs rice got there, they threatened her, telling her she would be put in the back of the car as well, if she didn't calm down.

Sick fucking heartless bastards

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:50 PM

106. I can't believe there are people on here defending

 

these police killers!

I don't give a rats ass that some supposed "supercop" says he's good with dropping 12 year old innocent black kids into their graves because...rules!

The fucking SS had the same response at the Nuremberg nazi trials! Hey we were only following the rules eh? Had to fry all those jews man cause orders/rules!

Its a total lie anyway! Lets say that call came into the police and it was in the richest part of town, probably mostly white as well.

A white kid is there in the park with a toy or pellet gun. Can anyone honestly say the damn cops are going to roll up and toast that kid in two seconds flat??

BULLFUCKING SHIT!!!!! TOTAL DAMN LIE and everybody knows it!

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #106)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:01 AM

118. Supercop Simone.

Here is what Wikipedia says about the man who maintains that the police acted properly:

James Simone
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

James Simone, also known as "Supercop," was a patrolman with the Cleveland Division of Police with a history of involvement in high-profile incidents.

In more than 35 years as a police officer, he has shot 11 people in the line of duty, killing five of them.[1] He has been shot twice, stabbed, and hit by several cars.[1] He is also a mainstay on the department's list of officers making the most arrests and issuing the most citations.[2]

Simone's work has garnered him national media attention, including profiles on America's Most Wanted, Good Morning America, Eye to Eye with Connie Chung and Top Cops.[3] He has won the division's Medal of Valor,[4] and numerous awards from MADD for his high rate of DUI arrests.[3] Prior to his service for the City of Cleveland, Simone served in the U.S. Army during the Vietnam War. He was credited with participating in taking out a North Vietnamese Army nest and was awarded a Bronze Star. He was also wounded and awarded a Purple Heart.


Someone here misrepresented his record.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:57 PM

108. Mr. Jef . .

 

I hope you find peace, but you are so off here it is downright scary.
Something does not quite ring true here . .
"I have voted for the most progressive Democrats on the ballot for years."
I really don't care what party you are with - this in non-partisan.
And don't put words in folks' mouths.
NO ONE HAS ATTACKED POLICE IN GENERAL - and you know it.
That child was murdered by police thugs.
To repeat I wish for you to find peace, but I am willing
to debate you on this issue in public at a time and place
of your choosing. I promise, no "ad hominems".

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:10 AM

119. They did not give him first aid as he lay in agony after being gut shot...

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 02:18 AM

129. This turns my stomach..

why bother having a judge and jury anymore.. just have your roaming executioners. This is what Rightwingers want for this country.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:21 AM

132. Police state meathead says something stupid?

Ye don't say....

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:02 AM

133. Face it, Kid

This is a police state, I can shoot you whenever I want.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:23 AM

135. Why do most of them

look like Skinheads?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:34 AM

136. Why do so many police apologists...

... look like skinhead thugs that wish there were a swastika tatooed on their forehead?

Apologies to all skinhead thugs with swastika tatoos...

-- Mal

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 10:20 AM

139. FREEZE!!!! You've got 2 seconds...BLAM BLAM BLAM!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 10:43 AM

140. This union chief looks like a killer, most likely he would pull the trigger

without any orders or questions. He is the worst of the worst as a union representative. But we see them in NYC, MO and other places. These radical union chiefs cannot get a decent job.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:08 AM

141. Just another idjit.

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 11:52 AM

142. I YAM THE LAW

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