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[Fred Sanders]

1. Could be any fundie conference in America and a fire and brimstone preacher manipulating folks.

I wonder how many of these people raised their hand simply because they were expected to. These types of mentally weak people are very easy to control using peer pressure and mob mentality. Thats why they are religious in the first place. 

Preach it in the Religion forum, if you must.

[heaven05]

2. I am so sick of this brand of religious barbarian

holding sway and power over weak minds. Minds that are made for greater things than watching a stoning. Human beings are still so brutish, sadistic, and inhumane and still devolving. We'll all be back in rock caves and tree houses soon. Seems inevitable. I agree burf.....

[robbob]

3. Brings to mind that recent thread

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The fundie American preacher who was advocating for the immediate execution of all GLBT persons? Claiming the bible tells us to do it? Religious fundamental assholes come in all shades. Don't remember reading about any members of the congregation listening to that bile getting up and walking out on him, either. I think there may have even been laughter at the "joking" way he presented his idea ("the bible gives us a cure for AIDS....&quot .

[Eko]

24. but there is this.

[Burf-_-]

25. yeah I saw that one

Just more violent, delusional zealotry in the name of "GOD" .... no matter what you "god" you claim ...it's all horseshit.

Head Meet wall......

[dead_head]

7. I was talking to a friend who's from France

and he was telling me how openly racist people are now back in France and I told him that's how I like my racists, open and true.

Because respectfully, Gary 50, I can't stand those kinds of comments.
It starts all nice by saying I hate to be intolerant BUT...

Then you claim as a fact that the worst christians fundies are worst then ¨moderate¨muslims. Wich is super misleading and is only your opinion, nothing more. Don't state it like it's a fact that was peer reviewed by thousands of religious scholars.

Secondly, taking a anecdotal evidence and painting the whole muslim population as having the same opinion. It really burns me that people like you have to mention how nice your muslim neighbors are but deep down you think they are a bunch of killers.

As a non muslim I hope to never have a neighbor who thinks of me what you think of your neighbors. Cause if you think that beneath my nice attitude I'm a blood trusthy homophobe barbarian, well don't be nice to me.

You did'nt even ask them if I read your comment properly, but you can judge the whole musllim religion by sarcastcly saying ¨the religion of peace¨

Like someone said, I'm not against any religious people but i'm anti-asshole.


In the end, even if I make fun of France way to often, I think the assholes there are so good at being assholes that I respect them more then comments like this.

Have a nice day.

[Burf-_-]

9. Rolls Eyes....

You immediately explode in your sympathetic rant basically suggesting Gary was saying:

"HE'S SAYING ALL MUSLIMS ARE VIOLENT KILLERS, RACIST RACIST RACIST!!!! . HOW DARE YOU BE SO INTOLERANT!!!!"

Did you even watch the video? Can you not see how pervasive and seductive Radical Islam is across Europe?

Are you even aware ISIS exists ?

Do you think for one minute that all across Europe, LONDON, Denmark, Germany, Sweden, that this is a non-existent problem?

Do you think No evidence exists for arguments against radical islamic fundamentalists?

If you do, then you 100% dead wrong. A simple search on sharia law gangs will reveal dozens of results. In the Videos you can watch people being harassed in the country they were born in by radicalized immigrants (or worse by native converts) who are trying to forcibly replace the native culture with one that is clearly and fanatically islamic. No one here said ALL muslims are radicals just like no one suggested that all christians are, so really you can save your righteous indignation and get real, it does not fly.



https://www.google.com/search?q=londodn+sharia+gangs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=london+sharia+gangs&tbm=vid

[dead_head]

13. Here's the title of your post buddy;

Norway: All Muslims agree Stoning is OK - Moderate Muslim Peace Conference


ALL MUSLIM AGREE. Pardon me but it seems you try to paint all muslim as extremists by using the word moderate.

I had this discussion before; People like you claim to not put all muslim in the same bag but I can see thru your tricks and devices of deception.

You use take the words of a crazy guy or Isis type people, then you claim your not accusing all muslims of being the same. Then you make an escuse by saying the problem in fact is the religion and not social situations.

I'm aware of Isis, I'm aware of radicalisation. You too seem radical to me.

But you won't convince me that ALL MUSLIM AGREE STONING IS OK. And don't make me believe your not there to stir up hate against a particular type of humans.

And obviously I guess your the kinda person who claims to be rational and scientific while saying ALL MUSLIM AGREE can't be factual if actually ALL muslim would agree and it would be provable that they all agree.

And it's super ironic that you don't seem to be ok with people who disagree with you... kinda like religious crazies.

[dead_head]

16. No need to use the word genius in a insulting way dude

It's still the title of your post.

So besides wanting to get me scared of muslims, what's your point?

You think people are not aware that there's some muslim extremist in the world?

We've been told islam is the worst evil for the last 13 years.

People like Bill Maher say it on national tv.

What's the point of posting this video?

[dead_head]

17. to answer your questions

Did you even watch the video? Can you not see how pervasive and seductive Radical Islam is across Europe?

-Yes and I don't see how pervasive radical islam is. The guy's scary as hell.

Are you even aware ISIS exists ?
-Yes

Do you think for one minute that all across Europe, LONDON, Denmark, Germany, Sweden, that this is a non-existent problem?

-Of course there's a problem. Because there are asshole everywhere.


-Do you think No evidence exists for arguments against radical islamic fundamentalists?
Yes but notice the video YOU posted and defends ends by saying; The problem is not radical islam it's ISLAM.

So in retrospect I think your message is that islam as a whole is the problem and not radical islam.

[dead_head]

14. And yeah your right

I'm saying I have a feeling by this post that Gary could possibly be racist and intolerant. I don't know but I'm not ashambed of thinking he might very well be racist. You got a problem with that?

[LiberalElite]

10. Ok since you hate to be intolerant, a suggestion-

why don't you aks those nice Muslims next door if they approve of stoning, instead of assuming it? Your post is a lot like those "some of my best friends are Negroes" statements.

[Octoberfurst]

22. I get what you are saying.

I had seen this video before on Youtube and it shocked me. The fact that this took place at a Muslim PEACE conference made it even worse. The speaker was basically saying, "Yeah sure all Muslims agree that adulterers and gays should be stoned. What's the problem? We aren't being extremists. We are just following Allah's word." Uhh if he really believes that then he IS an extremist. No ifs, ands or buts. I found him very scary.
But at the same time I can't believe that all Muslims feel this way. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world and there has to be a range of opinions and beliefs just like there is a wide range of opinions and beliefs in Christianity. For every Fred Phelps there is a Mother Teresa. The same is true for Islam. We shouldn't paint all Muslims with one brush but at the same time we must also recognize that there are crazy Muslims out there who would kill those different than themselves. This is where discernment comes in. Embrace the good and keep an eye on the bad.

[freshwest]

6. There is no death penalty in any European nation, AFAIK.

And apparently the people (I only saw men there, though) in that room have way too much time on their hands to sit around and talk about all this BS.

Just like fundies here, they get off to managing other people's lives in order to justify their own pathetic ones.

Religion and state should never mingle. We'd be so oppressed we won't be able to breathe.

P. S. My objection to this video is that it's stated as 'all.' Some Muslims fled to the West to escape the kind of enforced conformity (really, a vicious form of group think) this guy is pushing here.

These are his words, he doesn't speak for everyone. Neither do all the people in that room. I predict this post will be hidden, as a religious slur but I'm not into alerting. I'd suggest you make your point in a different way.

And yeah, if Norway considers them to be radical, send them home. They are all on video now, it doesn't mean that every Muslim in Norway agrees. I'm sure it would be handled on a case by case basis.

And under freedom of speech and religious expression, it would be legal here, too, and likely is over in Norway. There is a difference in spouting BS and acting on it. We have plenty of RWNJs who say Obama should lynched or tarred and feathered, shot, whatever. But are they going to do anything?

No, they wet their pants and whine to their mommas when the Secret Service goes to have a chat with them just for saying so. If they jump over the White House fence or do other such overt acts, they go to jail. Society tolerates BS, but it shouldn't be allowed to become reality.

Just sayin'

[Burf-_-]

11. Du can hide if they like, My point is solid.

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It has less to do with race..... than it has to do with a sect of people pushing a violent, brainwashing dogma. In no way do i think ALL Muslims are like this, nor have i ever suggested it, because that would be intolerant. But I will, without hesitation, point out the radicals as I see them they present themselves. The righteous indignation, and capitulation to any view that would seem to oppose islam in any way here on DU is completely lopsided. People here seem to have to be reminded there is succinct difference between a standard muslim who actually despises all the violent dogma espoused in the quran and would rather die than be seduced by the radicals that do practice it literally word for word. The problem is many of them do die for it, and many not willingly.

These snake headed Imams are nothing but cobra's spiting venom under the guise of tolerance and fairness (and they are obviously influencing state/social policies very well in this way) . It is THEY who are largely responsible for the violence that may occur If even one man in that crowd is ever involved in a stoning, or an honor killing, or some other from of traditional radical islamic barbarism. The more they are subjected to this sort of group think the more likely it is for something tragic to occur. If anyone on DU has a problem with that you know what to do.

[freshwest]

19. 'If anyone on DU has a problem with that you know what to do.'

You're doing yourself more harm than good with that.

I did not call you a racist, and specifically said I do not alert. I will not alert this thread, nor the people posting on it.

Overall I agreed with you and not the grifter imam. And his immature followers who are so easily seduced by his manner, I have no sympathy for, either.

There is an abhorrence at DU at the thought of taking the claptrap this guy and others like him as seriously as some do. Many DUers are familiar with the theme that one-percenters encourage this to divide people and make money from wars.

There is also the political use:

Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West is a 2005 documentary film about the perceived threat of radical Islam to Western civilization. The film makes use of extensive Arab television footage depicting Islamic radicals preaching hate speech and seeking to incite global jihad. It also draws parallels between World War II's Nazi movement and Islamism and the West's response to those threats.[1]

Wayne Kopping of South Africa co-wrote and directed the film. Raphael Shore, a Canadian-Israeli, co-wrote and produced the film, and is the founder of The Clarion Fund, the film's distributor. The movie has received praise from some personalities in the media such as Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity,[2] but others criticized it as Islamophobic with a political agenda, and for its association with pro-Israeli groups.

Segments of the movie were broadcast on CNN Headline News and in several specials on Fox News. The movie was also screened on 30 college campuses and Capitol Hill. The unusual distribution of 28 million free Obsession DVDs as an insert in over 70 newspapers predominantly in swing states before the United States 2008 presidential election, garnered much attention, with 5 newspapers refusing to distribute the DVD. National Public Radio reported that it was unclear as to who funded Clarion's distribution of the DVD...[3]

The film was initially distributed to college campuses in 2007 and in September 2008, the Clarion Fund, in cooperation with the Endowment for Middle East Truth,[22] distributed 28 million DVDs of the film by mail,[23] and in newspaper advertising supplements, predominantly in swing states...

News & Record president and publisher Robin Saul said: "It didn't meet our advertising standards. We were told its purpose was educational. We didn't see it as educational at all. It was fear-mongering and divisive."[40][41] The editor John Robinson wrote: "As a journalist, my default position is to provide people with more knowledge, however troubling, rather than less. Were this truly an issue of the freedom of information, I would have argued to publish. But this was a paid advertisement presenting one side of an inflammatory issue..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Obsession:_Radical_Islam%27s_War_Against_the_West&printable=yes

We've also heard the 'Obama is a secret Muslim planning to institute Sharia' slur applied. And that the Democratic Party's belief system of allowing for all religions or lack thereof, to be protected by the Constitution, is wrong so it is condemned by the far right.

It's made DU very suspect of anything that sounds the least anti-Islamic, even if the ideas expressed by this imam and others are hateful. In order to protect our own belief sytem, we have had to tolerate theirs.

Not to mention the belief at DU that interference in Muslim nations caused 9/11; that the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars were unjust and have set us on the path to religious warfare, which is something the Founders tried hard to avoid; that we should leave them alone; more so, some believe that we 'had it coming,' unfortunately.

I am not naming names as it is not proper here, nor calling out DU. There are simply echoes of such in posts, at times more direct, at times not so direct as stated. I do not agree or disagree with what I've stated in a B&W fashion; those are not my thoughts.

I hope from that list you will understand where the feelings of some at DU come from on this issue. No one here is willing to let this happen here. And Europe is much different from us, having invited so many to move there for cheap labor. They claim they are not being accepted, thus they have withdraw into fanaticism. Some never had intentions to 'assimilate' into European culture and follow the laws of the host countries. This is not new.

I expect to see more conflict with climate change, larger population and desire for more land and resources pushing mass migrations. Then there are some with ideas of a world caliphate. From all signs, it would be hideous thing as ISIS is proposing and enacting where they can. It's going to be a challenge for the West, as we don't know what to do with it, or don't have the will or knowledge to stop it. At every turn when the West opposes ISIS, the call of hypocrisy or even profit taking is leveled.

What is your solution, since these hateful groups are now interwoven into the society of those nations, have married, had children, and are citizens?

[Burf-_-]

20. your replies are informed, and accpeted.. thank you...really.

My solution is to remember the difference and call them out when you see it. Some people here are obviously incapable of distinguishing the difference between a freedom to practice one's religion, and pushing it on people who are not willing to accept it and would rather simply react with appeals to emotion (without critically analyzing the situation). If people here are so thin skinned and can't step outside their comfort zones once in a while, then the whole purpose of having DU which is freedom of speech to debate these issues, is lost.

I appreciate your thoughtfulness freshwest, I like your objective replies. No offense taken form you.

[LuvNewcastle]

12. "Everybody must get stoned.''

[CJCRANE]

18. The West supported fundie muslims to fight the commies.

We supported the Mujahideen to overcome Marxism in Afghanistan.

We supported the creation of the original Taliban ("students&quot in Pakistan. Something Benazhir Bhutto called a "Frankenstein Monster".

We supported extremists to topple Gadaffi and we're even now supporting religious extremists to topple Assad.

We destroyed secular states in the ME and we support religious monarchies.

We create our own problems and continue to create them.

[passiveporcupine]

21. Most Christians in America still support the death penalty

Even if some of those killed are actually innocent. We are no better than the Muslims. We don't just kill in self-defense. We just play by a slightly different set of rules, as to what makes it OK to kill people.

When we finally realize that jailing and/or killing people is not the way to fix every problem in society, maybe we will be able to hold ourselves up as a shining example for the rest of the world. Other countries are much more advanced than we are.

Education and ending poverty is the key to advanced societies. We need to stop fighting wars and start investing in our youth's educations again.

The OP talks about DU as if they are not a part of it. I wonder why.

[Eko]

23. Title should be changed

to "Norway: All Muslims agree Stoning is OK by Allah and His Messenger". The messenger is Mohammad. So basically they are saying that their god and their jesus counterpart can do the stoning. Pretty sure all Christians think god and jesus can put you in a lake of burning fire for not believing in them. Whatever.

[kentuck]

26. I think there may be quite a bit of racism in the Scandinavian countries?

I've been watching some TV series from Denmark and Sweden and you can get a pretty good idea from some of the programming. Especially their mystery/crime shows.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. This OP can also be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3087443/posts