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Related: About this forumI miss Bill Clinton -- but Chris Wallace DOESN'T
He wants to run away here:
Zoftig1
(44 posts)Don't worry, you can vote for his wife. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever vote for another Clinton.
GreatGazoo
(4,608 posts)liberalmike27
(2,479 posts)Was the first Democrat, to start walking down Republican road, at least the first president. He passed all those trade agreements senate and house democrats kept from happening, while Jeb And George's Daddy was president.
You can allow it to make you angry, when we point out the Clinton's are about as conservative of Democrats you can find, or you can make sure you get out there and vote for someone different. Of course Jim Webb is the same way, or a little worse.
I would feel better, if he'd come out and admit that his welfare reform, his passing trade agreements, and his increased drug sentencing were NOT the way to go. Oh yea, he might have resisted banking regulations in 1998 more.
swilton
(5,069 posts)media consolidation, repeal of Glass Steagal, NAFTA, wars in the Balkans (first use of NATO (w/o UN approval)) thus paving the way for NATO use offensively and its expansion eastward in absence of a Soviet threat.
George II
(67,782 posts)That's how legislation is enacted. And remember, the republicans had the majority in both houses back then.
swilton
(5,069 posts)and he faced a hostile Republican Congress for the last six years of his presidency.
But even before the hostile Congress, Clinton supported financial deregulation with the Riegle-Neal legislation he signed in 1994 and hasn't gotten the publicity of the Graham-Leach-Bliley Act.
Furthermore, essentially the architects of deregulation were Clinton appointees: in the Treasury Summers and Rubin, and reappointed Alan Greenspan as Federal Reserve Chairman. While appointing deregulation acolytes, he liquidated administration dissenters like Brooksley Born.
http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/brooksley_born_finally_on_the.php?page=all
GreatGazoo
(4,608 posts)I don't agree with everything Clinton did but he was great under fire.

Phlem
(6,323 posts)Zoftig1
(44 posts)I'd very much like to think my choices in Presidential hopefuls is not limited to the families of the two worst Presidents of the last half century.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)We need more intelligent, outspoken public figures like him!
GreatGazoo
(4,608 posts)"Every time they attack you it gives you another chance to get your message out."
He does it well. Doesn't repeat their frame or their lies; just briefly goes meta on Wallace and FOX and then lays it all out.
whathehell
(30,468 posts)Gotta be before Obama, as he says he came "closest" to killing Bin Laden.
I have some beefs with Bill Clinton, but damn, he's smart -- Can't we make
him Fox News Refuter in Chief?
George II
(67,782 posts)Wallace was lying in wait to attack, and Clinton was ready. Damn he slapped down Wallace. Too bad in Chris' case that apple fell FAR from the tree!
And to those who made negative comments about DEMOCRATIC President Bill Clinton, my mother taught me that "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"!!!
I just don't see the point in bashing Clinton here.
whathehell
(30,468 posts)Yes, I'm sure Wallace was lying in wait, but he sure wasn't ready for
the Big Dawg, was he?
I'm not going to bash Bill here (or anywhere, really), I like him personally
and have great respect for his abilities. As I said, I had issues with some
of his policies when he was prez, but he's smart as hell, and has been good for
the party in a number of ways.
George II
(67,782 posts)....politicians. I actually agreed with some policies (not many) of bush. No one is perfect, but in my lifetime Clinton was as perfect as any President AS President.
Four years ago I had a chance to see him at a Malloy rally in West Hartford. He spoke for about 50 minutes without a single note or piece of paper. He quoted statistics, economic policy, etc. just off the top of his head. He was mesmerizing, and when he was wrapping up I was sorry it was over.
By the way, if you click "youtube" at the bottom of the video when it's running, it will take you to the video on youtube, which as the date and all three parts of the entire 15 minute interview. Poor Wallace was squirming throughout.
GreatGazoo
(4,608 posts)And that's what fosters a discussion, sometimes; like for example if they would say what Bill Clinton did that was allegedly so horrible.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)I really don't "miss" him at all.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)NAFTA passing, job losing Bill? No not even a smidgen.
George II
(67,782 posts)Job losing Clinton?
These numbers might surprise you (wish I could format it as a table):
Richard Nixon 19691973 2.38%
Nixon/Ford 19731977 1.29%
Jimmy Carter 19771981 3.06%
Ronald Reagan 19811985 1.43%
Ronald Reagan 19851989 2.69%
George H. Bush 19891993 0.60%
Bill Clinton 19931997 2.52%
Bill Clinton 19972001 2.24%
George W. Bush 20012005 0.06%
George W. Bush 20052009 0.21%
Barack Obama 20092013 0.28%
Barack Obama 20136/2014 1.80%
Phlem
(6,323 posts)but hey that's just me, I'm sure it didn't affect anyone else.
markpkessinger
(8,912 posts). . . as evidenced by the numbers in Reagan's 2nd term (which you curiously failed to highlight). But then, we all know there was a lot more going on during Reagan's presidency than the employment bubble would have suggested.
What if we tacked on to Clinton's record the job losses that occurred as a result of the 2008 crash, that itself was a direct result of the GrammLeachBliley Act (GLBA), a/k/a the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, which repealed Glass-Steagall?
George II
(67,782 posts)...For every $20 an hour job that was lost during his presidency, particularly his first, two $8 an hour jobs were created. I don't know where to look for the information, but back then it was documented that the net INCOME of Americans during Reagan's presidency dropped.
He also "decreased" the unemployment rate by reducing the number of weeks that a person could remain on unemployment insurance compensation, although more people did not have jobs. He "reduced" inflation by removing the cost of energy and interest rates from the calculation of inflation, even though true inflation remained about the same. He "reduced taxes" by reducing the tax rates, while at the same time removing a number of traditional income tax deductions and taxing more forms of "income" (like unemployment insurance compensation)
Back in 1981 I was unemployed for most of the year, yet my net income tax liability went UP over the previous year!
markpkessinger
(8,912 posts). . . .I didn't point to Reagan's number in order to give any credit to Reagan, but merely to point out that looking at a single statistic often fails to tell the whole truth of the matter, as your experience certainly underscores. Likewise, pointing to Clinton's job creation statistic fails to tell the whole story of the long-term damage things like Graham-Leach-Bliley, which was aggressively pursued by Clinton's economic team and enthusiastically signed into law by Clinton, did to the national economy.
Beacool
(30,518 posts)He is a master at the game of politics and I do miss him. The Right did everything in their power to throw him out of office, but he left the WH with the highest approval ratings of any president in decades, even higher that St. Ronnie.
markpkessinger
(8,912 posts). . . of things like GrammLeachBliley Act (GLBA), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, which repealed Glass-Steagall.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)He has his bashers but he has many more friends than bashers here. He probably saved us from 4 years of Bush Sr, 24 years of GOP rule would have sent us over the top for sure.
Roy Rolling
(7,632 posts)He sliced and diced Chris Wallace and the neocons. It was a pleasure to see someone finally stand up to neocons and their enablers.
panfluteman
(2,193 posts)Boy, Fox News sure could use some more refuters like Bill Clinton! He sure doesn't mince his words, he tells it like it is, he shoots straight from the hip. Obama has a different style with Fox - more subtle and diplomatic - he's too much of a nice guy, and you gotta be straight and in your face with the hooligans at Fox. And you gotta remember that if you're too subtle and refined with your refutations, you won't get past all the brainwashing that Fox viewers have already undergone, and will be seen as weak, or as merely an effete, elitist liberal intellectual.
Sure as heck, I don't agree with everything that Clinton did - especially NAFTA and his various "free trade" deals. He was definitely a Wall Street Democrat, and now it's time for main street to have its say. That's why I'm sincerely hoping that we have a good, populist alternative to Hillary, like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, running in this upcoming presidential election. But in spite of it all, most of Clinton's basic performance stats were impressive, such as reducing unemployment and lowering the deficit, you gotta admit.
George II
(67,782 posts)....a sitting President whereas Clinton was already out of office. Considering his position, I think Obama has done very well in these types of interviews, and suspect he'll be as good if not better once he's out of office.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)I think most everyone appreciates the dynamic personality of Bill Clinton. He was able to motivate people and even persuade politicians to support his efforts. Sure, he was responsible for some terrible legislation...NAFTA being just one of them. But he also had his eye on the ball, and he got things done. I think the thing I love the most about this President is that he didn't take shit from fox-propaganda network at all. He stopped this slimy little turd in his tracks when he started with his agenda in this interview.
Kudos to Bill. We have others who won't take their shit and distortion of reality, but they are damned few and far between; and none better than Bill.
riversedge
(80,810 posts)had all his points memorized and just spit them out on Chris. Wonderful
George II
(67,782 posts)...at Wallace and jabbing him on the knee as he hammered his point home.
markpkessinger
(8,912 posts)yep.
riversedge
(80,810 posts)all Dems would do this.
benld74
(10,285 posts)BUT unlike his father, he is nothing but a hack.