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Ben Carson: Founding Fathers, ISIS Both 'Willing to Die For What They Believed In'
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Initech
(100,068 posts)Mbrow
(1,090 posts)Oh I don't know, maybe the Holocaust or maybe WWI or II or Stalin's camps or the killing fields or........
What a bunch of zipper heads.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I want these freaks to start explaining their Faith, Hope and Love.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Johonny
(20,841 posts)Then I don't doubt him. Holy fuck if Obama said this I'd literally never hear the end of it. At the RNC though... What exactly do these people stand for and against anymore?
Dear Ben Carson from the bottom of Ben Franklin's heart to mine "FUCK YOU."
tclambert
(11,085 posts)Republican history . . . there's so much wrong with it, where do you start? First, let's forget about the French helping us, because, you know, "freedom fries." Also forget that most of our revolutionary military leaders were trained by the British, veterans of the French and Indian War. Forget that the British had an ocean to cross in order to fight in a huge wilderness. Forget that one of those core beliefs our founding fathers fought for was freedom of religion, not to create a Holy Christian Empire. Forget that in the ISIS analogy, WE would be the British.
Also saying, "Obamacare is worse than slavery" would earn 20 stupidity points, but saying, "Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery" still scores you 19 stupidity points. So, you're only 5% less stupid.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Sick_of_TP
(21 posts)The Tea Party is more like ISIS. The TP like ISIS, will do whatever it takes to crush our Govt. All for their twisted beliefs.
matt819
(10,749 posts)Putting Obamacare in the same sentence as slavery, whatever the context, is more than a non sequitor. Is there a word for that? Oh, yeah. It's idiotic. It's like saying that chocolate chip cookies are the best thing since ponies. They're not on the same spectrum.
Granted, you can criticize the Affordable Care Act. Fair enough. First off, call it what it is. Next, have at it and criticize, but don't be an idiot about.
JohnnyRingo
(18,628 posts)Even a worst case scenario where Obamacare isn't working out as well as planned, I could start making a public policy list including internment of Japanese citizens and "enhanced interrogation" that are worse policies than passing a public health care law, but I think I'm safe in assuming that everyone except the highly touted GOP smart guy already knows this.
It's hard to believe this guy is the head of the Republican Party Mensa Club.
khankiso
(23 posts)we had the help of the French to beat England didn't we. Oh that's right you don't like the French do you Ben.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)He's the secret Muslim they've been looking for. he has that beard too. lol
El Shaman
(583 posts)on heads too!!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)about ISIS ...
What is dr. ben trying to say? What belief and/or values are we giving away and how does that relate to the ISIS fighters dying for what they believe in?
Is he saying, Americans should be willing to die for what we don't believe in? Because, based on his comment, we are, clearly, killing ISIS fighters.
What needs to change?
I the words of Gen. George S. Patton:
progressoid
(49,988 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Burf-_-
(205 posts)samsingh
(17,595 posts)lot of other stuff.
fing imbecile.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Deep in their hearts, they believe that African Americans are so stupid they'll vote for Ben Carson just because he's black. And with the black vote in their pockets, they'll win the election. That's what THEY think, not what I think.
Just wait . . . .
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)I seriously doubt that he could answer what it's like to be a politician instead.
El Shaman
(583 posts)ol Ben the 'medicine man'(chit I know him:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/01/12/did-ben-carson-violate-fox-news-policy-on-produ/202092
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017238556
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...Obamacare is worse than those? I dunno. I kinda think most people would prefer signing up for Obamacare to being lynched.
EuroStyleSocialist
(45 posts)They're always talking about how they lose presidential elections because the nominee's aren't conservative enough. Here you go! A guy who truly represents conservative values. (And, as repulsive as his politics are, he's kind of hot.)
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)a Token Negro,,,, Liberals just see another fucked up 1%er........
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Then again I am a big fan of the mock.
project_bluebook
(411 posts)but I guess if your a republiCon T-bagger you can make up history and Fox will publish it.
delrem
(9,688 posts)chrisa
(4,524 posts)qazplm
(3,626 posts)"we believed in what we were doing or because we were willing to die for it..."
but because:
1. The Brits didn't care enough to send sufficient forces.
2. The French helped us out big time.
3. The Brits didn't care to spend more than a few years fighting us.
4. The Brits had other, more immediate, and closer concerns occupying some of their energies (although this mostly helps to explain 1 and 3).
If the Brits really wanted to keep us in the fold, they could have, for at least some period of time. But the expense, cost, and distances involved combined with the worth of the colonies weren't enough for more than a short, half-hearted attempt (and I include the War of 1812 in this).
Ironically, the reason why ISIS will fail is that the greater powers they are facing, relatively speaking, can afford the expense and cost involved, and the distances don't remotely matter nearly as much.