January 29th pro-war torchlight rallies in Kherson, Kyiv, & Odessa. Right Sector & Svoboda.

[Manifest Destiny]

Representatives of these fascist groups have met with Senators John McCain, Bob Menendez and Bob Corker throughout the conflict. These fascist openly neo-nazi groups are the ones that have primarily led the slaughter of innocent civilians in East Ukraine.

[Warpy]

1. Well, good luck to them

In five years, maimed and miserable, they'll still likely be fighting when plebiscite and partition would likely have served them much better.

[Fred Sanders]

2. Another 50% drop in the currency and they turn on heat on the ridiculous Chocolate King.

[OverseaVisitor]

3. Watch this

There is a funny anime music video on her with 17 million hit.

How strange the world is,

She is also on wiki lol

Also have survive 2 assassination attempt

[newthinking]

4. Natalia Vladimirovna's story is quite interesting. She was a senior Prosecutor in Kiev

She has in the past worked on very dangerous cases and had attempts on her life and been beaten. The story of what led her to leave Kiev (she could have stayed on post the changeover) is quite interesting.

Keep in mind that this video is from shortly after the overthrow (in the early days when things happened like Stephan Bandera posters placed over government buildings and roaming bands of Right Sector militia were on the streets in Kiev.

[uhnope]

6. There was no "overthrow". you must mean when the Putin puppet government collapsed

Please don't spread BS RW conspiracy theories here

[newthinking]

10. Did you watch the video? It takes EMPATHY (not agreement) to consider things

from an alternative viewpoint.

You have so actively campaigned against anyone using empathy, which is a PROGRESSIVE and liberal trait (or traditionally has been, some seem to be losing that capability).

[newthinking]

26. For a little lighter version this video went viral

Apparently she was a anime celebrity for a while...

[zeemike]

5. The rise of Fascism does not seem to bother our government.

And that says a lot about them.

[uhnope]

7. are you referring to Putin's fascism--which doesn't seem to bother you?

Putin has also increasingly aligned himself with Russia's own far right (see also here), which has strongly backed his Crimea invasion and other policies, such as his anti-gay legislation.

http://albloggedup-investigative.blogspot.com/2014/03/4-myths-ukraine-crisis-crimea-nato-russia-fascism-far-right.html

[zeemike]

8. No I am referring to OUR fascism.

But go ahead and distract with the Putin distraction...just like the right wing does anytime they get caught doing something...look over there at what your side does... and then dump a bunch of outrage on us to distract.

Seen it too often to fall for it.

[uhnope]

9. LOL. You are constant defender of Putin, a fascist, but now you say the USA is a fascist country.

Please tell us all about how you think the USA is a fascist country. Please, we are dying to hear your fascinating reasons

[zeemike]

12. No I am a constant critic of the false dichotomy.

And the hypocricy...etheir with us or against us, you are ether defender of US intervention or a Putin lover...seen that shit before too.

Live by the standards you set for others...If you defend Ukraine fascism then you are one...just like you say Putin defends fascism and is one.

[uhnope]

13. please... you said the US is a fascist country. Justify it. And if you are against hypocrisy

Then please tell us all about your condemnation of Putin's fascism.

We're waiting for your views on both. US fascism you claim, and your views of Putin's fascism, which, since you are supposed to be a progressive on a progressive website, of course you do not support. Looking forward.

[zeemike]

14. And I am also a constant critic of reframing just as you have done here.

If I talk about OUR fascism it don't mean the US is a fascist country...we have fascist right here in the USA and some of them say so openly and others just stay in the shadows and behind the wall.
But again with your standards then you are saying Russia is a fascist country...would you care to show evidence that it is true?
And this evidence of fascism in Kiev is not enough for us to say the Ukraine is fascist?

And I don't do condemnations...I don't play the condemnation game and I will not play it here.
I don't establish my bona fides by reactionary language.

Is that something you wanted to hear?

[uhnope]

27. if you don't know how Putin is fascist, you are totally ignorant

or pretending to be

[zeemike]

28. And if you don't know how Kiev is fascist you are too.

But you have seen the evidence that they are, but chose to point the finger at Putin...and want us to condemn him...while you remain silent about Kieve and our support of them.
I would call that pretending to be against Fascism.

[uhnope]

11. Manifest, why are you posting lies?

"These fascist openly neo-nazi groups are the ones that have primarily led the slaughter of innocent civilians in East Ukraine."

This is BS conspiracy theory which has been debunked. You offer it up with no proof at all. The far-right elements of the Ukrainian coalition are a tiny minority--the idea that they control the government is propaganda pushed by RT/the Russian government.

The deaths in eastern Ukraine are the result of the war there as a result of the occupation by Russia, so to blame some insignificant political parties for it is a ridiculous over-the-top lie and conspiracy theory.

Debunked: http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.fi/2014/02/pro-russian-network-behind-anti.html

The tiny influence of those parties: www.interpretermag.com/whither-the-ukrainian-far-right/

[newthinking]

15. Ukraine crisis: the neo-Nazi brigade fighting pro-Russian separatists

There are more neo-nazi's in power in Kiev than before the last election. Half of the "commanders" (leaders) folded into the new coallation party "The people's front" that won the election. Others won individual positions.

Certainly neo-nazi's are still generally supported and tolerated by the government, on the streets, where they freely demonstrate regularly and march through cities, and in the army, where they have formed battallians.

There is PLENTY of proof. You just don't want people to see it.

Ukraine crisis: the neo-Nazi brigade fighting pro-Russian separatists
Kiev throws paramilitaries – some openly neo-Nazi - into the front of the battle with rebels

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html

[uhnope]

17. Fail. try again

Your article for seven months ago in no way disproves that this is a total lie:

These fascist openly neo-nazi groups are the ones that have primarily led the slaughter of innocent civilians in East Ukraine.

[newthinking]

19. LOL - The batallian just threatened the legislature in Kiev last week (with overthrow)

and forced the legislature to revoke a law they created to disband and reform the battalions (Human Rights Watch has been raising hell about the battalions "methods" which are war crimes).

[uhnope]

20. you seem to have no idea about what a fact is. Figures

[newthinking]

16. oh, and interpretermag is a propaganda focused outlet

and certainly not an unbiased information source.

[uhnope]

18. LOL. RT fanbois writing this? Fail. Try again.

A blog by a scholar is not "propaganda focused outlet" to use your awkward construction

[newthinking]

21. Nice stereotyping and red-baiting

As I have told you before, most of my information I research comes from liberal and progressive sources. I cross check when I see something on RT (just like other mass media outlets).

I do enjoy countering attempts to censor by some people who still appear to be living in the 50s and will post an op with RT if it is accurate or the viewpoint is pertinent and important to the discussion.

Taking your blood pressure meds?

Right wingers hate it and try to label people that express their freedom of thought as well....

I have confidence that progressives on this site can view multiple viewpoints and come to their own conclusions. I don't need to try and use intimidation or other methods to try and censor out that which does not express my own opinion.

[uhnope]

22. Putin's not "Red"--he's a fascist

get a clue

[newthinking]

23. "red baiting" is a nasty (Usually RW) approach and is not confined to arguing against "communists"

[OKNancy]

25. he can't answer you lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=319657

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=157733