TYT: Elizabeth Warren Asked About Hillary Clinton & It's Devastating

[WhoIsNumberNone]

"It's no secret that Hillary Clinton badly wants the approval of Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (and the liberal wing of the party she represents) in advance of the former Secretary of State's near-certain 2016 bid. There was the meeting between the two at Clinton's DC house back in December and the various rhetorical bows Clinton has made to Warren's populist rhetoric over the past few months.

Given that recent history, what Warren had to say about Clinton during an appearance on Al Sharpton's MSNBC show Tuesday night has to be disappointing to Clintonworld. Here's the exchange:

Sharpton: A lot of progressives have questions about whether she'll [Hillary Clinton] be a progressive warrior. what would you say to them?

Warren: You know, I think that's what we gotta see. I want to hear what she wants to run on and what she says she wants to do. that's what campaigns are supposed to be about.

Um, ok. If you look up the definition of "lukewarm," you find Warren's statement."* The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur breaks it down.

*Read more here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/02/25/elizabeth-warrens-answer-on-hillary-clintons-liberal-credentials-wasnt-convincing-at-all/

[Thinkingabout]

1. Seems like Cenk brought the devastating word in, it wasn't Warren, allow Warren to make her own

Statement, she is quiet capable.

[misterhighwasted]

6. pretty much how I read it also. Cenk's interpretation of..the wisdom of E Warren

Spin it however they like, I see a powerhouse of most capable people to level the playing field in this country.
And both E Warren & H Clinton are in that game together.
Each comes prepared for specific roles to end the creep of damage to our democracy.
The power of these two women is lethal to the GOP when standing together on a united front.

Thanks

[JDPriestly]

8. Hillary -- not so much. She is not a powerful personage.

She is nice, but not powerful. Elizabeth Warren is powerful and nice.

Elizabeth Warren is the one. She makes a good team with Cummings.

[misterhighwasted]

17. Not Powerful??? Then you have not bothered to look at the truth to the power of Hillary Clinton

Pity you cannot see the lethal power they hold together against the GOP billionaire machine that's coming at either of them in the 2016 race.
Appreciate the power of both & you will see what I am talking about.
Its not about just one or the other.
It is about a united Dem front that can send the horrific plan for the USA, the plan the GOP has for our Nation, back to its small corner where they came from.
One cannot do it alone, not going up against the GOP money & influence.
I believe these two amazing powerful women know full well that it will take the complete package they hold together to stop the destruction coming at us by the GOP.
I don't put them on separate sides, I see the two women, Warren & Clinton & all they have combined, as the strength that rips the Koch, ALEC, Teaparty, GOP, KKKristian Fundies, "to pieces."

It is the two powerful women together that will do what the Nation deserves to sustain its Democracy.
Its respecting their unity that beats the GOP back down.
Not the division.
Hope you all can understand this at some point.
Divided we certainly will fall against the GOP of today.

Thanks. Enough said.

[JDPriestly]

18. Hillary and Elizabeth Warren do not agree on the fundamental economic issues.

They probably don't agree on the TPP?

There are just too many issues on which they probably don't agree. They can't run together. What is more -- two white women on the same ticket? No.

What is more -- two women from the Northeast on the same ticket? No.

It will be either Hillary or Elizabeth or Bernie Sanders. I vote against Hillary. If she could win elections, she would already be in the White House. Her 2008 campaign pleased her donors and her husband but not the voters. And that is the way it will be in 2012 once she gets going.

[misterhighwasted]

25. Don't be so sure about that. None of us are privy to the conversations of the two.

Hillary has the power to take 2016 from the GOP.
Warren has the power to strip clean the destructive policies put in place by the GOP.
I have no doubt that campaigning as a united front, for the passions they both hold dear, will bring a shift in majority in the House/Senate, by the amazing length of their bright crimson coattails.

Then give Warren a more powerful place..where her influence can bring about her wisdom & wants for this Nation.
Treasury, Supreme Court, etc.
I don't know who the VP choice would be.
But I do know that these two women would control more power together than the GOP could ever buy with all their billions.

That is where I stand on the issue of Warren & Clinton.
They are from the same era in time.
They have had to play the game against the men only club and they have both climbed their way to where they both stand today.

This Nation survives with the knowledge & legacies of both.
They are unbeatable at this point in the history of our USA.

That I come from the same generation as the two of them, perhaps gives me clear memory as to what has been fought for & is threatened to be lost forever by the sucking black hole of the GOP machine.

It is the power of the two of them that stops the GOP fascist plan for the USA.
And that is how critical I see the need to unite the power of both Warren & Clinton rather than to divide.

[JDPriestly]

28. I'm slightly older than Warren and Clinton.

I do not think that they are on the same page on quite a number of issues.

[misterhighwasted]

34. I disagree. Certainly differencies, however there is something about the two of them that...

is so similar and that is where their incredible power lies.
I see what has slowly been chipping away at our democracy, civil rights, etc with the GOP, & all they need is a Presidency & this country is lost. Done. All is placed in their hands to finish their grand plan.
I see this election as the final chance to upset all the billions, purchased power, gerrymandering, media bias, vote rigging, & every trick n the book methodology that has tilted our democracy on its side.

We have some very powerful people in our camp that for some reason cannot break the hold the GOP has in their push for total dominance of their dream of a fascist state.
Warren & Clinton each come with their own set of power & great knowledge for our country.
It is only in unifying this power that the GOP can be beaten down.

Yes they come with differences but that is not to say they don't also come with the same goal of destroying the powerful underbelly of bigotry & bias & conditions set to demean the value of the American citizen, by the GOP.
And with that as the goal they certainly have the ethics & wisdom & foresight to bring about a better country than the one we have endured at the hands of the self serving GOP.

These two women can do together, just that.
They hold that much power & the GOP well knows that.

[pangaia]

53. A lot of "power" there in your last few posts.

Not sure what I mean by that, but......it just struck me.

[JDPriestly]

7. Cenk did a great job. Hillary is the best candidate for the Republican Party.

Warren is the best candidate for our Democratic Party.

Warren is full of fire and on the side of the middle class. She can win. Hillary -- not so much.

Where does Hillary stand on the TPP?

Cause that is going to be a decisive issue even if it has already passed through Congress.

[Thinkingabout]

10. Where did Warren stand on ISIS Resolution?

[JDPriestly]

21. She and Markey voted against it.

Senator Elizabeth Warren did not mince words when she spoke about the vote at UMass Lowell Friday.

“America is not going to get dragged into another war in the Middle East,” she said. “I did not believe that training and arming Syrian rebels was a way to accomplish that.”

The resolution is aimed at putting a stop to the terrorist organization ISIS, which wages war in Iraq and Syria.

ISIS is responsible for killing two American journalists, James Foley and Stephen Sotloff, recently.

“My heart bleeds for [their families]. This is a terrible thing that has happened and it proves again that we're dealing not with a state but with terrorists,” Warren said.

http://www.whdh.com/story/26580701/senators-warren-markey-vote-against-isis-resolution

I oppose ISIS very strongly, but I understand why people would vote against the resolution.

As Bernie Sanders has pointed out, it is the people in the Middle East who need to stand up and fight against ISIS.

Saudi Arabia and other wealthy Middle Eastern countries need to fight much harder to bring peace and progressive policies to their area that make for religious tolerance. Until they do, there probably is not much we can do other than to support Middle Eastern troops from the air.

We are, however, already there with boots on the ground. We should demand that the Arab states do much more to promote religious tolerance. That include the Iraqi government, and all of the bigoted governments in the area.

Bibles are not allowed in Saudi Arabia. People are punished for converting away from Islam. Egypt has persecuted its Christians. Oddly enough, and you would never know it from reading comments on the issue on DU, Israel is among the most tolerant of the countries in the Middle East when it comes to religion. I have the impression that Jordan is tolerant. Lebanon has Christians, but I don't know how tolerant the various religious groups are of each other.

Good question.

I do think we will be at war in Iraq before long. Probably inevitable. But we should do what we can to get others in the Middle East to be more active in fighting for religious rights for all constituencies there.

[Thinkingabout]

32. ISIS is not a Middle East problem, they have threatened the US also.

They are recruiting US citizens of which could return to the US with the same intentions which was carried out in France. This is an issue which action is required. A president job entails protection of the US and must be taken seriously. I understand she may have been playing to her base but denying the need for action should not be a political decision. Congressional members are afforded security briefings not given to the public and the new at the time of the vote was not good and since has gotten worse. Bad vote on those who voted NO.

[RBInMaine]

70. Warren is NOT RUNNING.Does that REALITY even enter your thought process? And Hillary IS PROGRESSIVE.

Your statement equating Hillary to Republicans is right off the charts. If she is nominated, anyone who doesn't back her, as far as I'm concerned, is so lost in non-reality they really should get on a space ship and fly to a different planet to live on because they obviously aren't interested in living on this one.

[cheapdate]

39. Funny that. "Devastating" in the headline, "lukewarm" down in the copy.

[rhett o rick]

45. Looked to me like, "Damning with faint praise." And I mean Sen Warren and not Cenk. nm

[uhnope]

2. interesting analysis of minutiae nt

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Awesome.

Thanks!

Looks like Damage Control team is already on top of this.

[JDPriestly]

9. Funny how quick they are, isn't it. Sometimes it pays to be on top of things.

Ahhhh! Hillary's money can buy a lot of opinions. At least that is what she is hoping.

[RufusTFirefly]

14. I think there must be a special Bot Phone -- er, Bat Phone -- or something

[MannyGoldstein]

15. !

[RufusTFirefly]

22. Or this?

[nichomachus]

26. Hillary is NOT a Bot

[rhett o rick]

46. The implication wasn't for HRC herself. nm

[840high]

52. ....

[PBass]

37. There is no "Hillary Defense Team" at DU, the simple fact

is that Hillary is a lot more popular with Democrats than the DU Hillary-haters are willing to concede.

Sorry guys, Hillary has a massive amount of real support among the base. That's why she performs so well in the polls. That's why people are thinking she may be inevitable.

I also doubt there is any tension between Clinton and Warren. But enjoy your imaginary dramas.

[rhett o rick]

48. Yes HRC has the Big Banks and Wall Street on her team. None of which like Sen Warren.

If you want a corptocracy support HRC. If you support the 99%, support Sen Warren.

I don't know if Sen Warren will run or not. She will have an uphill battle to defeat HRC's Big Money machine. But even if HRC and Wall Street win the 2016, the movement will continue. You can't hold the people down forever.

I can understand why some people like to take the side of the big money. It's like on the playground, when some took the side of the big bully. Feels safe.

[DeSwiss]

64. Sorry, but it's enough that I don't like her.

- Screw everybody else's opinion. Mine is the only one I'm concerned with.

And I'm sick of Clintons.

They've done enough damage.

If she's elected, this country deserves exactly what it gets:

[JDPriestly]

4. Cenk is absolutely right on this one.

I expect Warren to run in the primary and to win in the general election. She is that good. She is that strong. She doesn't have to run to the right. She will appeal to people of different political persuasions.

Look. That a white girl of her age from a lower middle class family in Oklahoma, with a disabled father, to be picked to teach at Harvard Law School is impossible or nearly impossible. She did that. She is brilliant, determined, politically astute, on the side of the middle class and poor and a real fighter. And that is just a partial list of her unusual, winning characteristics. She can explain the most complex legal, social and economic concepts to the simplest of people. She is going to be our candidate. Get used to it. Because she is going to be our president.

And she will make a great president. She has the right balance of genuine compassion and pragmatic common sense.

I'm convinced that she will run and can win.

And the money on the other side will be its biggest problem. Elizabeth Warren is pretty clean when it comes to her campaign funds, and she will throw the "bought and paid for" label at the Republicans. The press will find she raises its ratings and will love her fire and her spirit.

Sometimes talent trumps money. That's the story of Elizabeth Warren.

She's got "it."

[cui bono]

13. I love your conviction!

[MannyGoldstein]

16. You and me both!

[libdem4life]

23. You make excellent points. Do you think she can raise the billion dollars necessary to run?

I'm not as concerned about who our candidate is than I am that we get a D in the White House and hopefully a upwardly mobile Hispanic as a VP.

The slightest thought that any of the current gaggle of R Clowns would lead the US and nominate a couple of SCOTUS, gives me heartburn.

And then there's the thought of Elizabeth Warren as SCOTUS...where she would be using her wisdom and influence for many more than 8 years.

And the project with Elijah Cummings is a great platform and maybe an early test of how the Populist message will sell to Joe Sixpack. Not exactly clear what it is yet. So often, however, the population most protected and to be empowered by the Populists, just don't vote.

Maybe it's going to be an interesting Primary after all.

[Enthusiast]

66. +1 an entire shit load.

[OilemFirchen]

5. Worse yet...

our Punditocracy is now decimated.

[RufusTFirefly]

11. Ouch! Not as bad as Eisenhower's "endorsement" of Nixon though

In 1960, when a reporter asked for an example of how Nixon contributed to the Eisenhower Administration, Ike replied, ”If you give me a few weeks, I may be able to think of something.”

Here are some more endorsements:

”We nominated the wrong man.” — Dwight D. Eisenhower, privately expressing his doubts about Nixon to a friend, 1960

”Goddammit, he looks like a loser to me.” — Dwight D. Eisenhower, to an aide, on Nixon’s chances in the day before Election Day, 1960

[MannyGoldstein]

19. That's why he won the war in Europe.

Blunt, honest, tough, and smart.

Like a certain difficult woman from Massachusetts.

[Old and In the Way]

54. If Dwight Eisenhoer was alvive today, he would be supporting HRC 100%

Sorry, he would be in the left wing of the Dem o cratic Party. I bet he supported George McGovern. Given the Cheney-like record of Nixon, he should have.

[cui bono]

12. H. Clinton is not now and will never be progressive on economic policy.

Her track record proves it. We will not fix this country with her as president no matter what she says in her campaign. It's already clear. If she says anything progressive about economics in her campaign they will be empty promises.

As to the wapo article linked... What a ridiculous last paragraph:

That stance doesn't mean Warren is itching to run against Clinton. (I still don't think she is.) But, it does mean that Warren, at least in the near term, may be Republicans' best friend -- providing all sorts of fodder for the GOP as they try to make the case that Clinton isn't really what the Democratic party wants.

This has nothing to do with Republicans and it has everything to do with trying to get the Dem Party back to the principles it is supposed to embrace and trying to find the right candidate to actually make this country better for the people rather than the corporations. 36 years of corporate pandering is more than enough already.

[MannyGoldstein]

20. This is how Warren is setting up the fight

"I didn't want to run, but since nobody was speaking for the American people..."

Or at least she'll get behind Bernie if he runs.

[libdem4life]

24. I see her as being available, as you say. Not trying to stake out a place yet...it's early. But

she sure is getting press and that's an important prerequisite.

[cui bono]

27. I sure hope so! n/t

[Enthusiast]

67. "It's already clear." It's certainly clear to me.

Too many Democrats haven't really given it enough thought.

[Helen Borg]

29. Warren 2016!

[amuse bouche]

30. Devastating?

Not even close

[MADem]

31. If that's "devastating" I am the King of the Forest!

Roar, roar!!!

[malthaussen]

33. To be fair, it is a ways off from calling her "terrific."

It's possible the good Senator's view of Mrs Clinton could be evolving.

-- Mal

[NanceGreggs]

35. OMG! OMG! OMG!

Warren wants to hear what Hillary will run on, and what she wants to do - because "that's what campaigns are for"!!!!

It couldn't be more devastating!!!! That's it, Hill is toast!!!

[A Simple Game]

41. Well Hill was toast in 2008, what do you remember about that one? n/t

[NanceGreggs]

44. Did you have a point? n/t

[A Simple Game]

62. Maybe 8 years makes a difference in how we look at a candidate?

How we feel about someone now and then may just be the difference between who their opposition is. But we don't know who will, if anyone, oppose Hillary this time do we? In fact we don't know if Hillary is even running.

[Cha]

43. Cenk's always pulling shite like that. I clicked on thinking I would be seeing something that

was actually "devastating" for a change .. like she doesn't like Hillary for 2016.. and all I got was this..

"Warren wants to hear what Hillary will run on, and what she wants to do - because "that's what campaigns are for"!!!!"

Rofl.. it couldn't be more "devastating"! LOL Hillary is done.. Elizabeth wants to hear what she'll run on. smh.. so "disappointing"..

[NanceGreggs]

47. And some people wonder why ...

... they're referred to as the Hair-on-Fire Brigade.



I guess "Warren is interested to see what Hillary's campaign will look like" just doesn't read as "devastating" enough.

Watch for "Warren regularly drinks different brand of orange juice than Hillary - tensions rise to boiling point"

... coming soon to a theatre-of-the-absurd near you!!!

[William769]

50. We see it every day here with the Warren crowd.

They do a disservice to a great lady.

[Cha]

57. LOL.. That's how the profitable "left" earn their click$.. It's "Devastating!".. "Inconceivable!"

[freshwest]

55. Finding facts? You must be kidding!

[jomin41]

36. suicidal

I consider myself a Democrat on the progressive fringe and I will support whoever gets the nomination. We are in a life or death struggle here with the forces of darkness. They have endless streams of cash and boundless greed and no scruples. The Clinton machine is irreplaceable right now. We need both of these powerful women in the fight. I don't believe a bloody primary with HRC going home is much of a victory. Might feel good for a while. But the thought of Clinton in the White House, at least for a term, along with Warren amassing more power and influence in the senate at the same time, does not seem like a bad thing to me at this perilous time. Go ahead, string me up!

[pnwmom]

38. That's not devastating. It's a smart thing for Warren to say. A firm endorsement now before seeing Hillary's platform

would mean throwing Warren's possible influence away. Why would Warren be expected to do that?

[jomin41]

40. agreed

Warren can extract some commitments from HRC. That's a good thing,imho.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. Yes! And why shouldn't we, as voters, extract those same commitments? (See my comment directly below.)

I've been saying this forever and a day to anyone who will listen, only to be criticized incessantly and subjected to endless name calling.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Warren SHUDNT commit yet-thats the same argument ive made y us non-Hillary supporters shudnt TELEGRAPH a willingness 2 vote 4 her in the general election...

even if there are those of us who intend to do so anyway. Let Hillary work to EARN that vote - it's called "leverage" - rather than allowing her to take Progressives for granted and lurch to the right, as is her third-way tendency.

[MrMickeysMom]

42. I AGREE! Warren HAS a non-right-ass-kissing PROGRESSIVE agenda...

Hillary, sadly has been disappointing Democrats and Progressives for 20 years running…

You either pay attention by the acts of the two individuals (Warren, HRC) or you don't.

I know them by their works.

And their works are VERY clear to me… Clinton thinks she has to be a player. Warren is playing for that field to become level again, and she knows too well by having BEEN a Republican that she doesn't have to pretend she's anything more than progressive.

[Geronimoe]

49. Wait to see what a politican says?

This is how voters are duped every election. Whispering sweet nothingness.

Hillary as almost all in DC have a long track record of exactly who they are and who they really work for.

[rjsquirrel]

51. Devastating?

Breathless headline fails to deliver the punch. Rather like The Young Turks Show itself. Yawn.

Warren ain't running. Clinton can't be beaten anyway, and the fix is in.

I'm sure HRC is quaking in her bed after this drubbing of a lukewarm comment from a politician who isn't running for her job on a show no one watches.

[BlueStreak]

56. Pushing Clinton even a little bit helps her electability

We know the Clintons are suck-ups for the banksters. BFD. So is Obama. So is every candidate that has any chance of winning. So we aren't going to get a real populist in the WH in the next 20 years.

What we can do is push every Dem candidate to take a stand for the middle class, and that is a lot better than doing nothing.

We have to assume that Hillary would like to do the right thing if there were any way to win the election and still be strong on principles. Well, pressuring her now does change the dynamic of the discussions with the banksters. If Hillary feels the heat, she will have to tell the banksters "You are going to do very well under a Hillary administration, just as you have thrived under the Obama administration. But you have to meet me halfway. I can't do everything you want. It doesn't work for me politically, moreover, it isn't good for the country. So I am going to draw some lines during this campaign. None of those things will put you out of business or even hurt that much. But just don't expect to get your way on everything."

That's the private message. And by taking at least a few economically progressive positions, Hillary will be MUCH more electable, as this will draw a sharper line between her and Jebbie.

[The CCC]

60. TYT: Elizabeth Warren Asked About Hillary Clinton & It's Devastating

I like Lizzie a lot, but if she runs for President that negates any of the efforts she made to become a Senator. She will be perceived a just another political opportunist not interested in making the Democratic Party more appealing to Democrats.

[McCamy Taylor]

61. Um...no. Wishful thinking much.

[Tarheel_Dem]

63. That was "devastating"?

[Enthusiast]

65. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

I want Hillary about as much as I want another trade deal written by corporations that could care less if we draw another breath.

Hillary, wrong for our party and wrong for the nation.

[ProudProg2u]

68. "Warren Can't be Bought"..

"Warren Can't be Bought..2016". Don't be part of the continuing problem. Step away from the pacified herd. Do the honest correct thing for a CHANGE. WARREN 2016. Does not matter who wins if they are bought and paid for .Break the cycle.

[father founding]

69. Break the chain

Between the Clinton's and the Bushies.Enough already,Can't anybody see how bad it's turned out.

[wildbilln864]

71. Clinton: