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Sat Feb 28, 2015, 05:49 PM

Breaking the Set. Abby Martin says goodbye



It is a sad day in journalism with the demise of Breaking the Set. Abby's show provided a much needed counter balance. A small shovel it was though, faced with the overwhelming mountains of MSM bullshit.

She constantly championed the idea of talking to and listening to spokespeople for alternative points of view that couldn't get a voice on the MSM. This brings me to one of her critiques, that she does not have the he-said she-said counter balance policy of network news but only has one side of the story. No she didn't have on establishment spokespeople, but there are enough stations and networks that ONLY have on that breed as guests. Of course there should be balance, but in this age post Fairness Doctrine, and corporate control over the news services, a small voice to speak up for the actual people is so overwhelmingly needed its ridiculous.

Another sticking point here on DU is that because she would agree to have on folks like Alex Jones and others at the far end of the spectrum she is ridiculed. I've never understood this. She purposely pushed the boundaries and at rare times even given voice to what others called nutjobs. Personally I think Alex Jones is a professional conspiracy theorist. Some of those theories I agree with, and others are way off base. He seems to embrace every and all theories as fact and for that he has zero credibility. But my opinion on Jones, or other guests should not be osmosis be bestowed on Abby. I respect much more a show that allows a variety of guests and alternate points of view as opposed to one that only allows safe guests that cater to their crafted audience. The countless other smart, important, educational guests far far outweigh any crackpots she's had on.

I know there are some on DU that are sucked into dismissing ANYTHING on her show because it is sponsored by Russian Television. Looking past the idea that Fox News is owned largely by Saudi Arabian sources, but even MSNBC is owned by GE, one of the largest MIC contractors,...yet we still listen to Rachel Maddow. Yes..of course the shows' focus is primarily on problems with US behavior, and NOT on Russia's problems. Again so what? My theory?..Putin knew he could not shut up more critical left wing voices outside his country, ones highlighting human rights, gay rights abuses, as well as critical of warmongering from Putin. So one way to counter it is to have his very own leftist voice to be critical of the US for the same crimes as his own. Just to stir up trouble. Because he knew that there were few other good English speaking left of center shows out there. Democracy Now being one of the best. So he allowed strong independent voices from the left like Abby's to rant and rave to their hearts desires on American based wrongdoing. Again...so what? HOW she was given a voice should not be the issue, but what she brings to the table. And what she has brought we have been starving for. At least I have been.

There has been way too much messenger bashing on DU lately and not enough listening to the message. She brought passion, dedication, integrity, and sometimes anger. The demise of Breaking the Set is sad, but maybe if she ever gets another show outside of RT, at least she won't be facing abuse by the purists and messenger bashers.

She starts the show by praising a victory for Net Neutrality, and ends it with her heartfelt goodbye @ 23:13

She is a warrior. I wish her the best and look forward to seeing where she will go to next!

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Original post)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 06:08 PM

1. Damn that sucks.

I love Abby Martin...I hope she finds another place.
It seems like only the good ones get canceled, while the creeps keep gong on and one.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 06:52 PM

2. I agree

First Jon Stewart and now Abby Martin. They both had their methods and audiences but speaking of "creeps" it sucks when shows like The O'Reilly Factor continue on even through falafelgate in the past and today he will no doubt ride out the Williamesk charges about him lying about war credentials.

I hope she continues on with some kind of new informative show soon.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 09:08 PM

8. And Hannity and Joe and most of CNN to as far as I know.

I don't watch TV so I really don't know...just what I hear about them here.
And they have been doing it for years...Remember Phil Donahue who had the top rated show?
Billow has outlasted them all and I have no reason to believe he will ever be canned.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Original post)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 06:56 PM

3. RT/Abby Martin suck. Maybe she'll get a job on FOX News or with Glenn Beck/Alex Jones

 

OK I know you have good intentions and all but really, RT and Abby Martin suck. You cannot defend her any more than you would defend FOX News. If you want to defend FOX News, that is fine also. Most on DU would not agree to having FOX News videos featured and that is why RT vids have also fallen out of favor.

I'm not going to go on and on--you seem to know all the arguments and you've decided that RT and Martin have their place. I believe RT, Martin, FOX (or Shep Shepherd, perhaps the "okay" anchor at FOX?) are overwhelmingly motivated by propaganda and invested in lies. It doesn't matter if sometimes their show are okay--they are always leaving something out, always slanting the story, and the danger comes when their slant and lies affect someone who hasn't figured out that they are packaging lies (and in Martin's case, batshit conspiracy theory) in attractive packages.

Yes, all news reports have some kind of angle, but in the case of RT and FOX it's just too egregious to be accepted.

About this:
My theory?..Putin knew he could not shut up more critical left wing voices outside his country, ones highlighting human rights, gay rights abuses, as well as critical of warmongering from Putin. So one way to counter it is to have his very own leftist voice to be critical of the US for the same crimes as his own. Just to stir up trouble. Because he knew that there were few other good English speaking left of center shows out there. Democracy Now being one of the best. So he allowed strong independent voices from the left like Abby's to rant and rave to their hearts desires on American based wrongdoing. Again...so what?


So what? I'll tell you what. A news network that's sole purpose is to protect a fascist leader like Putin is not a news network. RT and Abby Martin do this both directly, by pushing a pro-Kremlin POV, and indirectly by skewing all reports (and choice of reports) not to present a progressive message but to present a message of false equivalency between the US and totalitarian nightmare states like Putin's Russia, North Korea, etc.--a message that the USA just sucks and there's no difference between it and Saudi Arabia or something. You see this on DU all the time--people who simply cannot see a report about a human rights atrocity or insane corruption somewhere in the world and say "sounds like the US!" or something, when in fact there is not much comparison at all. In that way RT is a Trojan Horse, getting in by pretending to be progressive but with an intent that is anti-democratic and promoting ignorance.

RT and especially Abby Martin have another negative effect on gullible watchers--throwing insane conspiracy theories into the mix like the US government orchestrated the Boston Marathon bombing ,

...which after a while affects viewers' critical thinking skills and has a very bad effect on society. FOX has had a very bad effect on the USA. RT has a similar effect. People are free to watch whatever they want but most DUers don't want that shit here.

Abby Martin was one of the best Trojan Horses.

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Response to uhnope (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 07:55 PM

4. Abbey Martin is the real deal, totally unlike anything FOX NEWS has to offer...really!

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Response to uhnope (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 08:18 PM

5. We'll see if you're still singing that same tune after she starts her next gig

This is still my favorite Abby Martin moment . . .
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Response to uhnope (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 1, 2015, 03:07 AM

12. Abby Martin sucks!! ha ha ha just....because alright.!

"So he allowed strong independent voices from the left like Abby's to rant and rave to their hearts desires on American based wrongdoing. Again...so what?"

"So what? I'll tell you what. A news network that's sole purpose is to protect a fascist leader like Putin is not a news network."



So you immediately equate exposing "American based wrongdoing" to "protect(ing) a fascist leader like Putin"? Sorry if you can't differentiate between the two. Or value the former as important in moving forward as a nation.

And you totally lost all credibility when comparing her to Fox News. lol. Fox News lies all the time, as noted on sites like Media Matters. Please tell me when Abby Martin had lied on air.

Furthermore, this discussion was about Abby's show not some other host's show on RT. Its like uploading a video of Morning Joe to smear Rachel Maddow.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Original post)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 08:25 PM

6. Best signoff ever.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Original post)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 09:22 PM

9. This is a succession.

Prior to Abby Martin's show, there was Alyona Minkovski and her eponymous show. That show tackled some of the same topics as Abby's did with a different style. And they are both attractive in their kind of way. If another show with another female host comes along and continues that "tradition" so be it. BTW, Ms Minkovski is @ Huffington Post News.

As for CNN, which I continue to watch, it would be a great thing if she was provided with a show, a budget, and true freedom to do the kind of journalism she is known for, but it will never happen. That would be one way of getting people to watch, but CNN is part of the club that we aren't allowed to be a member of, and have to adhere to that. Too bad, really.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Original post)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:50 PM

10. TY, LiberalLovingLug, and a big bravo to your words, so well said. Don't sweat the trolls, they are

seen for what they are & I absolutely tip my hat to you. I agree whole heartedly & feel there are far more that share our disdain for the corporate MSM talking points...it's a big game, and people are realizing just how twisted the information game is getting, even here.
The "cold war" is being reinvented by some here, following the same old tactics. We are not about arm wrestling here or shouldn't be, we are about speaking truth on all fronts.

The people that change the world are not that ones that empower the status quo. All of our voices matter. Keep thinking outside of the box and looking toward that vision we all hold dear to our hearts.

K & R

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Response to mother earth (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 1, 2015, 02:46 AM

11. thanks mother earth

"truth on all fronts"

exactly

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 1, 2015, 08:49 AM

14. I want to make it crystal clear to all, when I or anyone here post RT vids, it is not about

supporting Putin, it is about bringing issues to the forefront, those that our own MSM cannot or simply will not bring to the forefront.

I honestly don't understand why this is demonized on a board where no topic is off limits.

It makes no sense, one can agree or disagree, but when going after certain posters from DU or people like AM or Hartmann or Prof. Wolff are ridiculed, by childish and sometimes bizarre comments for every single topic they speak about by one poster in particular, certain things become quite obvious. How dare any of us post about anything that might reek of a pro-Putin agenda, it's the cold war all over again on DU, of all places...

If you believe in free speech, that door swings both ways, you can't believe in democracy & then slam every person here on DU who may post something that you see as pro-Putin simply because it doesn't mesh with your world view.

"Don't Kill The Messenger" is so appropriate.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:27 AM

13. Good information for those like me that didn't know Saudi Arabia owns Fox.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2015, 01:22 PM

15. Agreed...

...her show was one of the very few on TV that I could be bothered with on any level. Not only did she bring on guests that were not given any voice in the MSM, but she also provide voice and exposure for the arts.

It appears that she doesn't plan to go away, but only perhaps to find another medium or outlet in which to work. We can use a few more like her.

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Response to elzenmahn (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:02 PM

16. Yes, thanks for mentioning her arts segments

I forgot to add that. No where have I seen a news show actually dedicate a segment to new artists, especially those with a political bent. And there are so many out there that do not get ANY exposure. MSM takes up all their "arts" time with promoting 60 million dollar blockbuster Hollywood movies.

That aspect of her brave show will also sorely be missed.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Original post)

Sun Mar 1, 2015, 06:33 PM

17. Always Remember That Law Enforcement Works For The Oligrachs, Corporations, Banks And Politicians

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