MSNBC: Hillary Clinton Stays Silent On TPP

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[djean111]

1. She helped write it, is in favor of it. Of course she is silent.

As someone said in a comment elsewhere, likely she will just say "there needs to be a conversation" about it.

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2. it's a good thing for Ed to mention it. nt

[djean111]

3. She was probably hoping that it would be Fast Tracked before she was asked about it. n/t

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4. glad to see some attention to it. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

7. have you read it?

Q: What would you do differently than a Pres. Obama would when it comes to the economy?
A: I would agree with Obama a lot, because it is the Democratic agenda. We are going to rid the tax code of these loopholes & giveaways. We’re going to stop giving penny of your money to anybody who ships a job out to another country. We’re going to begin to get the tax code to reflect what the needs of middle class families are so we can rebuild a strong & prosperous middle class. The wealthy & the well-connected have had a president the last 7 years, and it’s time that the rest of the US had a president to work for you every single day. We will have a different approach toward trade. We’re going to start having trade agreements that not only have strong environmental and labor standards, but also a trade time-out. We’re going to look and see what’s working & what’s not working. I’d like to have a trade prosecutor to actually enforce the trade agreements that we have before we enter into any others.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate at University of Texas in Austin , Feb 21, 2008

[djean111]

8. I have read the parts that have been leaked.

And I will utterly trust Warren's and Sander's opinion of it - they have personally read it.
I will not waste time on a thread-jacking about this. So no more replies to you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

9. "the parts that have been leaked"

right....gotcha....

and by the way....she advocated for it....she didn't "write it" as you claim so often! More hyperbolic anti Hillary Clinton propaganda!

[leftofcool]

11. Hillary will always get the blame for anything Obama does here in DU

They just can't help themselves.

[BeanMusical]

18. +1

[jalan48]

5. She needs those TPP corporate campaign donations.

[Autumn]

6. Once she announces she won't be able to stay silent on it.

[yallerdawg]

10. Is this some kind of new form of journalism?

We didn't ask the question, and she never mentioned it, so...

Hillary Clinton stays silent on broccoli...does she like it or not?

Hillary Clinton stays silent on preference...Taylor or Miley?

Hillary Clinton stays silent on Obama...is he likable enough?

"When the going gets weird..."

[leftofcool]

12. LOL

[freshwest]

13. AND

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[JDPriestly]

14. We know where Sanders and Warren stand on the TPP. We don't know where Hillary stands on

it? Why not? Because she was the Sec. of State while some of the negotiations leading to the agreement were going on.

I would like to know why Hillary was not asked about the TPP. Do you know?

Do you even know where Hillary stands on the TPP?

Unless I hear from her that she opposes it as strongly as do Warren and Sanders, I will believe she favors the TPP because, after all, odds are very strong that she had a role in its negotiation or in the management of its negotiation by the US team.

[yallerdawg]

15. I would hope she would support the position of...

the President of the United States of America, the head of the Democratic Party, and her former rival turned employer and confidant.

But that kind of loyalty is not considered a desirable quality by either party, is it?

"A closed mind is a bar to any argument."

The Trans-Pacific Partnership is a negotiation with 11 countries in the Asia Pacific, including Canada and Mexico. Through the Trans-Pacific Partnership we are renegotiating NAFTA and instituting stronger, fully enforceable labor and environmental standards. These high standards will not only bring hundreds of millions of people under enforceable labor standards and protect endangered wildlife in one of the fastest growing regions of the world—they will also help level the playing field for workers and businesses here at home by ensuring our trade partners are playing by the rules.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/trade

[JDPriestly]

17. The TPP is yet another trade deal that we Americans cannot afford.

Our balance of payment is far too negative. The TPP will not increase sales of American products or services abroad. It will, like the trade agreements that will have preceded it, mean that Americans spend more money abroad than we earn. Trade agreements are not good for our economy, not good for working people and not good for America. So far all of our trade agreements have left us worse off than we were before in terms of job opportunities and the quality of goods we can buy.

At 71, I still have some of the old products we used to produce in America. They are distinguished from the junk we now import by their high quality, durability and reliability. I am opposed to trade agreements because they have lowered the standard of living in America for middle class people, cost us jobs and have increased the pollution in the rest of the world. They are simply bad news.

I think we need to stop entering into multi-national trade agreements and start permitting access for foreign manufacturers and countries based on their environmental records, based on whether they are really trading, that is, buying from us as well as selling to us and their labor records. The multi-national trade agreements are an attempt to use trade as leverage for attaining foreign policy aims. They appear, superficially, to win us friends. But in my opinion the friendships we buy by selling our jobs, selling out our own workers and selling our country short are not very deep or reliable. We are trying to turn the opportunism and greed of a few "leaders" in third world countries into "friends," but the opportunistic, greedy "leaders" in those countries are not really capable of being "friends" because they do not value the qualities that could make them capable of being our "friends." That is to say that in addition to harming our country and the American people especially the middle class quite directly, these trade agreements tend to push to the leadership of third world countries, a class of opportunists, tricksters and just plain bad guys who then lead ordinary people in their countries to anger, frustration and even revolt. The trade agreements thus far are simply the wrong way to go for everyone. And worst of all, they are symptoms of moral decline in our own country as we import products made by workers who are desperate and exploited beyond belief in countries in which the environment is being degraded to unlivable in order to produce flimsy, unneeded plastic or synthetic products that won't last long and that we don't need and shouldn't want.

[djean111]

20. "A closed mind is a bar to any argument." - That would actually be the result of blind loyalty.

You cannot see that? You think loyalty to everything a politician does, no matter what, is a good thing? That is incomprehensible to me.

[Hoyt]

28. I'm with you. I prefer those like Ezra Klein and Jeff Spross who look at all sides of this issue

and realize it is more complicated issue than most folks seem to understand. It has serious implications for our future that myopic people are missing, IMO. But, for time being, we are stuck with misinformation from groups and people seeking to increase readership, membership, and garner votes from folks who simply aren't going to consider the long-term issues facing our country.

I'll trust Obama to do the right thing. If the final draft is bad for America, he won't present it to Congress. But, he has to try to see what can be achieved, notwithstanding all the misguided criticism he is receiving.

Wish it weren't the case, but we aren't going back to the days of the 1950s where people could walk out of high school (with or without a diploma) and work in the same job for 30 years and earn good wages.

Finally, Clinton, or any other Prez candidate, will have plenty of opportunity to debate this issue. It won't be resolved this year.


http://www.vox.com/2015/3/13/8208017/obama-trans-pacific-partnership


http://theweek.com/articles/544250/what-workerfriendly-transpacific-partnership-look-like

[davidpdx]

21. How dare you question Hillary

Of all the nerve! We should be good little soldiers and believe she wants to help us little people.

[antigop]

22. take a look

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6482809

[JDPriestly]

25. Just because she criticized NAFTA does not mean that she will oppose the TPP.

The proponents of the TPP claim (and I do not believe their claim) that it will not have the faults that NAFTA had. I think that is false.

[yallerdawg]

27. Posted on the White House site for anyone and all to see.

"The Trans-Pacific Partnership is a negotiation with 11 countries in the Asia Pacific, including Canada and Mexico. Through the Trans-Pacific Partnership we are renegotiating NAFTA and instituting stronger, fully enforceable labor and environmental standards."

Renegotiating NAFTA. We can't believe this claim because...we all have heard Obama is a liar?

So if Obama says this is what he is negotiating, he's just another politician. We can count on Bernie and Elizabeth because they are not...wait a minute, they are politicians! All those Democrats in Congress, they are politicians, too!

So, I'm confused...

We are back to the age old question -- Why am I here?

[JDPriestly]

29. If you follow the news, you will have read excerpts from the agreement that have been leaked.

It does not save the environment or impose effective labor standards. Quite the contrary. But it does change our legal system so that we are subject to the whims of elitist international courts in disputes involving multinational corporations.

TPP is a bad deal for Americans. Don't fall for the propaganda from our government.

[JDPriestly]

26. See post # 23. As Secretary of State, Hillary pushed TPP. It's her baby.

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30. JD, I posted #23! nt

[blkmusclmachine]

16. She's FOR IT!

[BeanMusical]

19. Absolutely.

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23. Hillary's Business Legacy at State Dept (leading part in drafting TPP)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=67554

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-01-10/hillary-clintons-business-legacy-at-the-state-department#p1

On her 79th and probably last overseas trip as secretary of state, Hillary Clinton made a pit stop in the Czech Republic. One purpose of the 11-hour visit on Dec. 3, squeezed between NATO talks on the future of Afghanistan and the Syrian civil war, was to make a personal appeal to Czech Prime Minister Petr Nečas on behalf of Westinghouse Electric, which is vying for a contract to build a nuclear power plant there. The company is locked in a $10 billion bidding war with a state-owned Russian energy giant, and Clinton pressed the Czech officials about the wisdom of depending on Vladimir Putin’s Russia for something as essential as electricity. Westinghouse Chief Executive Danny Roderick, who’s still awaiting a decision, says Clinton’s intervention made a big impression on the Czechs: “I was proud that she was in the trenches with me.”

In four years as the nation’s top diplomat, Clinton, who is expected to step down this month, has made dozens of similar sales pitches on behalf of U.S. companies. In 2009 she toured a Boeing plant in Moscow and met with Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to persuade state-owned Russian Technologies to buy 50 Boeing 737s instead of jets made by Airbus. That $3.7 billion deal was one of several large contracts Clinton helped clinch for Boeing (BA). In December 2011, Lockheed Martin (LMT) announced a $7.2 billion deal to upgrade Japan’s aging fighter jet fleet, beating out Eurofighter. Clinton advocated for the contract with her Japanese counterpart at the United Nations General Assembly. In February 2012, Space Systems/Loral, which builds communications satellites in Palo Alto, won a contract for equipment to create a national broadband network in Australia. Clinton met with former Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd several times to press for the deal. Last summer, Clinton’s undersecretary for economic growth, Robert Hormats, a former Goldman Sachs (GS) vice chair, took executives from Google (GOOG), MasterCard (MA), and Dow Chemical (DOW) to Myanmar to network with government officials, the first such meeting since sanctions against the country were lifted in 2012.

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She’s pressed the case for U.S. business in Cambodia, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia, and other countries in China’s shadow. She’s also taken a leading part in drafting the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the free-trade pact that would give U.S. companies a leg up on their Chinese competitors.

[mother earth]

24. Of course she's silent. First SCOTUS grants personhood, now TPP grants immunity & power

beyond that of a nation.

Why do we need gov't, may as well let the corporation handle that, oh...that's right...they are doing just that.

[mother earth]

31. K & R nt