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White Woman Steals Flag, Resists Arrest - Watch What Happens (Original Post) L0oniX Apr 2015 OP
wow /nt think Apr 2015 #1
oh dear Voice for Peace Apr 2015 #2
"will there be a go fund me site for her?" LMFAO L0oniX Apr 2015 #28
She was tased multiple times and then strangled to death? Downtown Hound Apr 2015 #3
Indeed, wrong skin color. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #7
Here in Ohio, we have: 'Ohio cop refuses to resort to deadly force' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #27
With my best bitter beer face: Oilwellian Apr 2015 #4
LOL! Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #13
at 5:00 in... 'Call the media contacts from this morning'?-- hmmmm tomm2thumbs Apr 2015 #19
Justice for All? Sandman2 Apr 2015 #29
Prediction Man here saying packman Apr 2015 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author rurallib Apr 2015 #6
The bad news is that the Faketriot crowd at Faux News has a new darling. TrollBuster9090 Apr 2015 #33
My observations - pro and con... SpankMe Apr 2015 #8
Videos of black males not resisting arrest at all ended up in death. WillTwain Apr 2015 #10
I think desecration of the flag is constitutionally protected speech Downtown Hound Apr 2015 #14
She's impassioned about telling these uppity black folk what to do. Hiding behind the flag jtuck004 Apr 2015 #16
GOP ‘Hero’ Who ‘Saved’ Flag Also Posed Nude With It Dragging The Ground frylock Apr 2015 #20
WARNING video at that link of her talking about the evil of the fur industry, graphic pictures Voice for Peace Apr 2015 #31
i don't think stealing from private citizens can really qualify as "civil disobedience". unblock Apr 2015 #30
She puts the hand he's trying to cuff into her crotch like it's a vault. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #9
Made in China Geronimoe Apr 2015 #11
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2015 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author geretogo Apr 2015 #12
She posed nude with the flag, according to this. James48 Apr 2015 #15
Fox News has a new hero... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #17
Close. Megyn Kelly got her first. Midnight Writer Apr 2015 #37
Isn't there a pic somewhere of W stepping on the American flag? By the way - where did this take jwirr Apr 2015 #18
Car said 'Voldosta St' -- Voldosta State University tomm2thumbs Apr 2015 #21
3 day old story -- I'm sure FoxNews will need it for their slow news day tomm2thumbs Apr 2015 #23
No one said being a cop was going to be easy. rgbecker Apr 2015 #22
american justice, heaven05 Apr 2015 #24
"A policeman's job is not a happy one" Warpy Apr 2015 #25
Points she will never make. Half-Century Man Apr 2015 #32
You rang? Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2015 #34
Thank you. Half-Century Man Apr 2015 #35
Another case of EnWHITElment. nt valerief Apr 2015 #36
 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
28. "will there be a go fund me site for her?" LMFAO
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:35 PM
Apr 2015

I can think of another site with a replacement word for "fund"

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
3. She was tased multiple times and then strangled to death?
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 12:08 PM
Apr 2015

Oh no, wrong skin color. Still entertaining to watch. Amazing the entitlement some people have. She thinks she can just go and take somebody else's property because she doesn't like how its being used. Had the roles been reversed in that situation the police would have been way more aggressive than they were. Still nice to see her get he ass handed to her.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
7. Indeed, wrong skin color.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 12:51 PM
Apr 2015

If she'd been black, she'd have been writhing on the ground with a taser dart in her thigh.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
27. Here in Ohio, we have: 'Ohio cop refuses to resort to deadly force'
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:33 PM
Apr 2015
I wanted to be absolutely sure

Cop faces down double murderer, is repeatedly charged by him, while the guy shouts 'shoot me' and won't show that his hands are empty, even gets the cop to trip at one point. Cope refuses to shoot at him even once.

One guess as to the double murderer's skin tone.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
4. With my best bitter beer face:
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 12:09 PM
Apr 2015

"Is there a reason why you officers didn't stick up for her stealing the flag?"

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
19. at 5:00 in... 'Call the media contacts from this morning'?-- hmmmm
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:28 PM
Apr 2015

Gotta work the room...

bwahahahahah

Sandman2

(2 posts)
29. Justice for All?
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:41 PM
Apr 2015

Eric Garner..."I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe." DEAD

Michelle Manhart..."Call our media contacts" so we can get exposure through the right-wing outlets. PLANNING HER MEDIA TOUR

The differences are a bit glaring!

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
5. Prediction Man here saying
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 12:24 PM
Apr 2015

"She'll be either on Sean Hannity or O'really show tonight. Also she'll be running as a Republican candidate in some soon upcoming election"

Response to packman (Reply #5)

TrollBuster9090

(6,130 posts)
33. The bad news is that the Faketriot crowd at Faux News has a new darling.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:39 PM
Apr 2015

The good news is that, now that Faux News has somebody with Sarah Palin's looks and Oliver North's medals, they can dump both of THOSE losers. Even the rubes that watch Fox are getting bored with them.

SpankMe

(3,732 posts)
8. My observations - pro and con...
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 12:52 PM
Apr 2015

1. She's impassioned about protecting the dignity of the flag. I can't slam her for that. Most people - even many liberals I know - think desecration of the flag to make a political point (even a legitimate point) is stupid. Not illegal, just stupid.

2. She's committing an act of civil disobedience to make her point. We in the progressive camp generally endorse civil disobedience to protest injustice. What she's doing is relatively benign and non-violent. Ferguson protesters committed non-violent acts of civil disobedience by sitting in the street blocking traffic, refusing to disperse at the direction of police, and going limp when police were arresting them and physically taking them in to custody. I don't disagree with these acts.

3. The job of the police is to enforce the law (which they're doing by trying to get the flag from the woman and return it to the rightful owners). Also, the police's job is to preserve the peace (which they're doing by intervening at all and preventing a possible physical altercation between the woman and the flag protesters).

4. She has apparently wrapped the flag around a rifle or a model of a rifle. The police did not shoot her, nor tase her. They physically wrestled her to the ground and took it away. This was the correct way to handle it. If this was an African-American male in a similar context, I'm sure most of the officers would have felt "threatened" and taken more drastic, possibly deadly action. This is really the most interesting aspect of the video, to me...the clear illustration of difference in police response between confrontations with a black male presumed to be armed, and a white female with an even greater appearance of being armed.

 

WillTwain

(1,489 posts)
10. Videos of black males not resisting arrest at all ended up in death.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 01:04 PM
Apr 2015

She was unscathed after clearly resting arrest. The double-standard makes me ill.

I do not think anybody should be beaten, but she did much worse than Eric Garner.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
14. I think desecration of the flag is constitutionally protected speech
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:06 PM
Apr 2015

I also think it's foolish to worship symbols, as it creates brainwashing and blind obedience. If everybody that claimed to pledge allegiance to the flag actually cared more about the injustices in this country as much as they did about a $2.00 piece of cloth made in China, we'd be in much better shape.

She is not committing civil disobedience, she is stealing somebody's property in a moment of irrational anger and refusing to acknowledge she is doing so. The first rule of civil disobedience is to acknowledge that you are breaking the law.

No argument with you about what the police are doing, except I agree with that there is a double standard. If this woman was black she would be dead or in the hospital right now.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
16. She's impassioned about telling these uppity black folk what to do. Hiding behind the flag
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:12 PM
Apr 2015

like a coward.

Had she been black her head would have been cracked open.

Piece of shit needs to be sitting in a jail cell.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
31. WARNING video at that link of her talking about the evil of the fur industry, graphic pictures
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:46 PM
Apr 2015

can't criticize her for that, though.

unblock

(56,223 posts)
30. i don't think stealing from private citizens can really qualify as "civil disobedience".
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:43 PM
Apr 2015

"civil disobedience" isn't defined particularly rigidly, but certainly it's usually actions taking against, or in defiance of, governments to object to governmental impositions that people feel are unjust or unwarranted.

it's rather hard to justify stealing from another individual as an act of "civil disobedience".

no, this one is better filed at "taking the law into her own hands" or "vigilantism".

Response to L0oniX (Original post)

James48

(5,243 posts)
15. She posed nude with the flag, according to this.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:07 PM
Apr 2015

Her respect for the flag appears to vary.

Here is an article where she (Michelle Manhart) previously posed nude with the vary same Stars and Stripes.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026536133


Tisk-Tisk.

Midnight Writer

(25,536 posts)
37. Close. Megyn Kelly got her first.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 01:35 AM
Apr 2015

It's a two-fer for Fox. First, they can show this lady posed nude in Playboy with an American Flag draped over her shoulders and dragging the ground. Second, they can claim this lady is being persecuted for standing up for the symbol of our country.

Titillation and outrage in one story. How can this not sell?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
18. Isn't there a pic somewhere of W stepping on the American flag? By the way - where did this take
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:18 PM
Apr 2015

place?

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
23. 3 day old story -- I'm sure FoxNews will need it for their slow news day
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:36 PM
Apr 2015


...and slow newscasters

rgbecker

(4,890 posts)
22. No one said being a cop was going to be easy.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:35 PM
Apr 2015

Jesus! The stuff they have to put up with. You gotta figure 10% of the people on the street are out of their minds.

White or Black, it's good to see a situation well handled.

Warpy

(114,647 posts)
25. "A policeman's job is not a happy one"
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:23 PM
Apr 2015

These guys are remarkably cool throughout this, I doubt if I'd have stayed as cool. The "protect the flag but hurt other people" twit will be let go after she cools off and someone comes to get her.

If she'd been black, pepper spray would have been used. I'm pretty sure of that.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
32. Points she will never make.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:36 PM
Apr 2015

Every flag bedecked napkin at every 4th of July picnic is a flagrant desecration of the Flag.
Every car flag tortured by constant sixty mile an hour wind is desecration.
Every flag patterned bathing suit gently cupping the genitals of some sweaty obese "patriot" is desecration.

By taking the oath of service she should have understood some things.
1) The first thing mentioned in the oath is the Constitution of the United States; service members swear to protect the ideas outlined in the Constitution before the country, government, or citizens.
2). The first modification of the Constitution was the Bill of Rights, the first of which prohibits, first, the establishment of a national religion; which includes the deification of the country and it's symbols, no part of anything connected to the United States can legally be considered anything by secular. A single copy out of the millions of varied copies based on a similar theme of a secular item lacks any special status.
3) Immediately following the prohibition of national religion in the first provision of the first set of amendments clearly states citizens have completely free speech. Which includes using items in political statements both pro-cultural and anti-cultural.


In the end our flag is just like every other piece of heraldry; to mark a place or person of importance in the confusion during the heat of battle. How much you revere it depends on what you got out of what it represents versus what it cost you.

To take the property of another is theft, not your free speech.
To make a free speech statement protecting a flag publicly desecrated as a political statement would have been to place yourself in harms way. Lay on it and let protesters walk on you instead.



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