Pic Of The Moment: Poll Shocker: Hillary Tied With Rand Paul...

[EarlG]

Uh-oh: Bluegrass Poll shows Rand Paul and Hillary Clinton tied ... in Kentucky!

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[SoapBox]

1. Well...

He is nuts!

[OverBurn]

18. Nuts is to kind, He's batshit crazy. :-)

[Cha]

84. He's their Senator.. they would know.

[Kevin from WI]

92. Nuts here! Nuts here! Get your Republinuts here!

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[Buzz Clik]

2. Wait until the find out Hillary is a woman.

[valerief]

73. Bwahahahaha! At least, she's post-menopausal, if that helps the misogynists any. nt

[kenfrequed]

3. Uhm...

How about a poll with all potential candidates?

This is pretty damned meaningless as we are over six months from the first caucus. This is the worst possible push-poll.

[brooklynite]

21. What is this "pushing"?

I get it that you'd like a poll with Sanders included. Since nobody thinks Sanders would be competitive in a head-to-head in Kentucky, you'd then complain about the accuracy of the poll, so what would be the point?

[Thinkingabout]

34. Exactly, brooklynite.

[kenfrequed]

36. Well..

1) One definition of a push poll is one where you try to manipulate the results by either narrowing the question or shaking it up in a way that creates a false or narrow choice.

2) I would like to see a poll including all of the candidates that have announced. Sanders is trending between 11 and 17% among democrats and we deserve to see how he is favored.

3) I would also prefer polling on candidates within their respective parties as that is currently more meaningful.

4) "no one believes sanders would be competitive" is an unprovable statement based on nothing more than speculation and hot air.

[demwing]

52. "Since nobody thinks Sanders would be competitive"? - That's pushing

Just be honest and say "Since no Hillary supporter thinks Sanders would be competitive"

[brooklynite]

60. No, I'm interpreting the decision of the Lexington Herald-Leader, which commissioned the Study

Kentucky is largely Republican and it's Democrats are far more conservative than those in Vermont. Hillary Clinton is LIKELY (in their view) to be the Democratic nominee and Rand Paul is the hometown favorite. That's the poll they commissioned. They also didn't pair Clinton against any of the other Republican prospects.

But please, give me a cogent argument as to how Bernie Sanders is competitive in a State that elected McConnell and Paul, and went for Romney 60-48.

[kenfrequed]

78. Right...

Because a bevy of blue dog style candidates have gradually gone down in flames. Candidates that have stuck to their progressive guns have stayed in office. I seem to recall supporters of Blanche Lincoln in Arkansas making arguments like yours. How much absurd political capital was wasted on that congresswoman? All for naught. Had support been with held and her primary opponent been allowed to compete the race would have been far tighter.

Remember part of election strategy is turning out your base. Trying to attract conservative voters is a losers game tactically, strategically, and ethically.

[brooklynite]

79. So you CAN'T (or won't) answer..

All you can do is claim that because other (non-progressive) candidates lost, obviously a progressive candidate can win. Without evidence. Meanwhile, I can point to Governor Beshear, a non-progressive Democrat who was elected twice.

[kenfrequed]

80. Tell me this...

What is the membership of the blue dog subcaucus?

What was it in 2000? 2008? 2010? 2012? What is it today?

These are the "electable" democrats choosen by the Rahm Emmanuel's of the party. These are the kinds of people that are thrust out again and again as "the only politicians that can win in a red state." But the funny thing is that they lose. They lose badly over time. And even when they win, they sell out to the banks and the pharmaceutical lobbies almost immediately.

And if you don't believe me, what about the words of the flawed but accurate Harry Truman:

"Given the choice between a republican and a democrat who acts like a republican, the voter will choose a republican every time."

This is what comes from supporting such candidates and this is what I think of every time I hear the words of being "practical" or "pragmatic" from a blue dog, a DLC superstar, or a third way democrat.

[brooklynite]

81. We're not talking about national voting; we're talking about Kentucky...

But if we must talk nationally, let's talk about Jeanne Shaheen in New Hampshire, Joe Donnelly in Indiana and Claire McCaskill in Missouri. Who all 'won'. Convince us that Bernie Sanders will be competitive in any of those States.

[kenfrequed]

82. No, you convince me.

Convince me that a poll taken before we are even within spitting distance of the Iowa primary has any relevance or bearing. This story and this poll are absurd. I have no intention on choosing my candidate based on what Kentucky finds acceptable. Keep pitching to the right though if you must.

President Obama managed to win in the generals without Kentucky in 2008.

[brooklynite]

95. "the poll is absurd"

...so those polls showing Sanders gaining some strength are equally absurd? Good to know.

[RoccoR5955]

66. That is a load of bovine fecal material

And you know it.
Why are you constantly bashing Sanders?
Don't you want to see someone get in the White House who works for WE THE PEOPLE, and not them, the corporations, as proven by the donations both Sanders and Clinton have gotten in the past? Go look them up on opensecrets.

[stevenleser]

96. There are dozens of Democrats running. I am sure you haven't thought this through.

I don't need to see Lee Mercer Jr.'s polling numbers against Rand Paul.

[staggerleem]

4. Well, Rand is Kentucky's Junior Senator ...

... but he's FROM Texas - that's where he was born & raised.

Which raises an interesting Hillary - where is she "from"? Chicago? Arkansas? New York?

I think the REAL answer, for both of them, really, is DC. They are both creatures of Washington, with all of its dysfunctionality.

[kentuck]

5. Is that good or bad??

What does it mean?

[NewJeffCT]

9. I'm not a big fan of Hillary

but, it means that if Republicans have to fight to hold a deep red state like Kentucky against Hillary, they're in really bad shape in pink states, swing states, purple states and blue states.

[awoke_in_2003]

55. That's how I read it. nt

[PatrynXX]

11. I find that bad

just means I'm rooting for Bernie. Not really surprised. If she doesn't take Texas then I'll be surprised

[Beacool]

16. As if Bernie would even have a chance in KY.........

[workinclasszero]

20. IKR? Bernie winning KY...

[leftofcool]

26. Not in a million freeking years!

[totodeinhere]

24. Why not? Heck it's 18 months out. We don't know how the primary campaign will shake out.

I would not write off Bernie just yet.

[Beacool]

33. Thinking that Bernie would have a chance in KY just proves that DU

lives in its own world and outside mainstream politics. Furthermore, I doubt that even Hillary could win KY, but it's fun to see her tie with Paul in a state poll. The guy is a total jerk who spends a good portion of his time going after Hillary and has done so for many months before anyone was running for president. I'm enjoying his discomfort.

[leftofcool]

37. Bill did take Kentucky in the general, so there is hope.

I have talked to people all over my State and they love Hillary. It is a longshot though.

[Beacool]

39. I see it as a long shot.

KY is even redder now, but we'll just have to wait and see.

[leftofcool]

43. Yes, KY is definitely more red than it was.

[shaayecanaan]

74. Sixty percent of Kentuckians are registered Democrats

The last Democrat to truly run on an economic justice platform was LBJ, and he absolutely smashed Goldwater in Kentucky, (65 to 25) although he smashed him pretty much anywhere.

[Thinkingabout]

38. The poll was between Hillary and Paul, the Kentucky Senator.

Paul will have to be the GOP nominee and I do not see that happening. So a 45% for Hillary in Kentucky against Walker, Cruz, Rubino, or Jeb in Kentucky could produce a win for Hillary.

[Beacool]

40. True, but KY is quite red.

I would be pleasantly surprised if Hillary took KY.

[Thinkingabout]

45. I think the Kynect helped the Democrats, was

Surprised to see Allison run away from Obama.

[totodeinhere]

49. I'm just saying lets not jump to any hard and fast conclusions yet.

And the thing is that the Democrats will benefit from the solid blue wall in the electoral college no matter who their nominee is. There are probably plenty of good reasons to support HRC but maintaining that she is the only one who can win isn't one of them.

[Beacool]

50. I'm not saying that Bernie shouldn't run.

The party obviously needs to have a primary, but I am saying that Bernie would have zero chance of winning KY and that Hillary would probably come closer but not win it either. KY is quite conservative. It's just funny to see that Hillary is polling 45/45 with Paul. That's more a measure of Paul's unpopularity than Hillary's popularity in the state.

[totodeinhere]

53. Well you and I are basically in agreement. I guess I am a bit sensitive over the

"Bernie can't win" meme because I just don't believe it. And that's nothing against HRC.

[awoke_in_2003]

58. Truthfully...

I don't think any democratic nominee can take Kentucky, or Texas, for that matter (all though we are getting bluer)

[Beacool]

68. I have higher hopes for Texas.

[awoke_in_2003]

69. I know it has been turning more purple...

the last few cycles, but I think it will still be a while. We have a bunch of dumbasses down here. At one time, though, we had Ann Richards as governor, and the mayor of Houston is openly gay. There is a little hope. How've you been, Bea?

[Beacool]

71. I have been well, thank you for asking.

I hope that all is well with you too.

[awoke_in_2003]

72. For the most part

I'm doing well.

[Beacool]

75. It's good to hear.

[MADem]

6. And golly--Rand's got that "Two For One" thing going, too!

There's Loonytune Rand, himself...and that squirrel on his head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BlueJazz]

7. It's just as we thought...

[SunSeeker]

8. K & R

[leftofcool]

10. Take that, Rand!

[SpankMe]

12. Well, Allison Grimes was polling well against McConnnell, too.

But ol' Mitch ended up winning his Senate seat by 15 points. Useless poll. And, too early to mean anything.

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. Allison Grimes was running against McConnell & Obama at the same time. Apples & oranges. nt

[leftofcool]

28. She also ran a horrible campaign.

[Beacool]

14. No wonder Rand is so obsessed with Hillary!!!

He fears her.

[awoke_in_2003]

59. He's a republican...

they all fear strong women

[Sunlei]

15. funny how the republicans use elder paul. Now paul2nd lets himself be owned for an easy paycheck.

[Daemonaquila]

17. That is not in Hillary's favor.

If the same bunch of folks who voted in Rand Paul (and supported Mitt Romney) think Hillary is cool, Democrats should be very, VERY concerned about her as their candidate.

[leftofcool]

32. Actually it is in very much her favor.

Bill Clinton won Kentucky. Hillary will get much of the female vote here, regardless of the party choice.

[Thinkingabout]

42. As a Hillary supporter I do not share your feelings of very very

Concerned about Hillary as a candidate, even the poll shows Hillary with 45% against a senator from Kentucky.

[A Simple Game]

63. She was also losing to Paul in this late March Quinnipiac poll in Pennsylvania.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2180

Funny this didn't get much attention at the time. Seems to be lots of bad news for Hillary in this one. Looks like when broken down by states instead of meaningless national polls Hillary isn't the Juggernaut many think she is.

[Thinkingabout]

65. I gues this scares the hell out of some folks

Especially since some wre running very low in the polls, I will still stay with Hillary.

[NYC Liberal]

57. Yet we hear all the time on DU how Sanders can win Republican votes because

"people agree with him on individual issues".

When it's Sanders, getting Republican votes is a good thing. When it's Hillary, it's bad. At least here on DU!

[Kevin from WI]

86. No republican will vote for Bernie or HRC

Who believes Republicans will vote for either of them. They hate Hillary and Sanders is a "commie" in their book. I don't know we're this theme comes from. Most republican voters suck and will only vote for whomever their am radio tells them to. I got news for you... it is not Sanders or HRC.

[Kevin from WI]

94. I do hope I am wrong about Kentucky

We shall see.

[Cha]

83. Nah, This is great!

[lonestarnot]

19. And bushy can't hear straight.

[spooky3]

22. Credit the Obamacare rollout in KY?

Are people finally seeing that Dems work in their best interests?

[Iliyah]

27. Shhhhhhhhhh, they don't know its Obamacare

[leftofcool]

29. Shhhhhhh! It's called KYnect!

[IronLionZion]

77. KYnect is way better than Obamacare

WAAAAAYYY better! Keep the government out of the exchanges! Keep government out of medicaid!

[totodeinhere]

23. This is more of an indictment of Rand Paul than anything about HRC.

I suspect that Bernie Sanders would also carry Kentucky.

[leftofcool]

30. No way!

Hillary is loved here as was Bill when he won Kentucky.

[totodeinhere]

48. That's not the point. I'm sure that Hillary is loved there.

I'm just saying that Bernie would also take Kentucky. And even if he doesn't, there is a solid blue wall in the electoral college that will ensure that any major Democratic candidate will win against whatever clown the Repubs put out there.

[ananda]

25. Heh heh

I like this poll.

[Dawgs]

31. 17 months out, folks. Polls don't mean shit. n/t

[Beacool]

35. We all know that, but it proves that Rand is not so popular in his own state.

And that's fun to see.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

41. If it were a Republican poll Rand would be WAY ahead....

After the results from women were tossed out.

You know,...because they're too busy with the kids and housework to go vote anyway so why count them?

[leftofcool]

47. LMAO!

[Jackpine Radical]

44. I wonder how Unknown Democrat would do in that poll.

[RoccoR5955]

67. More than likely better than this. n/t

[libodem]

46. Crazy talk

I'll bet she scores at least 60 IQ points over poodle head. His intellect has been stunted by his out moded belief system. He's plum squirrely.

[d_legendary1]

51. All I see is a poll between Budlight and Budweiser

The only difference is the calories.

[Initech]

54. Hopefully Kentucky will flush this turd down the drain soon!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

56. As much as I dislike Hillary Clinton, I'm shocked that she could even be tied with this nutbag.

[Gamecock Lefty]

61. H 2016!

If Hillary is doing well in some polls, well, don’t we all know it’s way too early, it’s a push-pull poll, they didn’t ask the right questions, it’s all name recognition and things can change at the drop of a dime.

But if (insert Warren, Sanders) are doing well in the polls, it’s because the people are responding to their message.

See the difference?

Go get ‘em, Hillary!!

[Iliyah]

70. Ditto

[C Moon]

62. Rand looks "appauled"

[RoccoR5955]

64. The election is a year and a half away.

And we don't even know who either party's candidates are.
AFAIC, polls this far out are meaningless.

[Trajan]

76. This is sweet candy

I would rather Sanders win in every state BUT Kentucky ...

But I will take Hillary embarrassing Rand Paul in his own state for all that it's worth ...

I'm with the Sanders/Warren wing of the Democratic Party, but Hillary gets my vote if she is the nominee, plain and simple ...

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

85. The fact that she does so well, against even a home stater, while Obama did so badly...

Just further proves the opposition to Obama here in Appalachia was nothing but racist.

Coal had nothing to do with. Obama lost the WV primary by 50 points before he uttered a single word on the subject.

[Kevin from WI]

87. Monsanto's newest creation

Part poodle, part penis, and full of bad ideas.

[Kevin from WI]

88. The new Rand Paul

Now 90% more stupid, and even more resistant to common sense. Order today and impress all your tea party friends. Racist news letter from his father not included. Prices and participation may very. Offer not valid when purchasing other republicans not endorsed by tea party. Subject to substitution with Scott Walker, or Ted Cruz. Not sold where smart people live.

[Cryptoad]

89. I wish they would do a head to head poll with

Bernie and Rand,,,,,,,, maybe you true believer-dreamers that Bernie could become Prez would be brought back to reality.

[Kevin from WI]

91. You really believe on election day that HRC will win Kentucky?

And you think the Sander's crowd is a bunch of true believer-dreamers. LOL

[Kevin from WI]

93. I do hope I am wrong about Kentucky

I hope it goes blue, but I am not holding my breath.

[Cryptoad]

97. I never said HRC will win KY

but feel free to infer my post however you wish since you doing so already......

[davidpdx]

90. More obsession about how Hillary Clinton is going to win red states

if she is the nominee. We've heard this crap time and time again. How many times do we have to go through the delusions of grandeur on DU with threads about how she will sweep red states of she is the nominee? This is ONE poll almost a year and a half from the election.

If anyone wants to lay down a bet now that she'll take Kentucky if she is the nominee, let me know by the end of the weekend.