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This is very graphic... Recently released by Police...
Shocking new video shows unarmed Utah man was listening to headphones when killed by police
This is really what it looks like for those who have never seen someone shot and killed...
You be the Judge on this one..
On August 11, 2014, Dillon Taylor walked out of a local Salt Lake City, Utah, convenience store minding his own business. He wasnt armed. He wasnt committing a crime. He was listening to music on his headphones, probably in his own world.
http://revolution-news.com/shocking-new-video-shows-unarmed-utah-man-was-listening-to-headphones-when-killed-by-police/
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)this is so sad, I just want to cry.
Pretty good explanation of how this happened here:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58472404-78/taylor-cruz-hands-gill.html.csp
It is just wrong for this kind of stuff to be happening as often as it does.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Something has got to give with this. We are training our police to go into situations like this ready to kill, instead of investigate.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,331 posts).... an unarmed person?
Maybe I saw too many '70s and '80s cop shows. Cops don't even need a "throw down weapon" anymore. Just say "I was askeered..... Next!"
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)No weapon was brandished!!!! He simply did not raise his arms upon command (because he had fucking HEADPHONES on!).
For fuck's sake...
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,331 posts)Can anyone explain the rationale for leaving the cuffs on when the person is CLEARLY not breathing and has no pulse?
Would it be some admission the cop fucked up? Did the lawyers and insurance companies come up with that one?
Why not take the cuffs off for the paramedics? I know the guy is dead but maybe the paramedics might want to take a crack?
These are rhetorical questions. The cop is a fucking pig with no regard for human life (except his own).
I'm mean, seriously, shouldn't they be required to apply pressure to a hole they made in someone when they clearly fucked up?
How about they carry a "my bad" compression bandage? Use could be optional for terrorists and mass murderers - but unarmed innocent civilians should at least get a ... I don't know.... a kiss since they just got fucked?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Seriously. WHEN?
libodem
(19,288 posts)I screamed at my phone and broke down crying.
Injustice is something that I can't work through my well oiled cognitive dissonance processor. This broke my mind.
Utah?
catchnrelease
(1,945 posts)Didn't you see the compassionate officer take out a gauze square--basically a band-aid-- and stick it on the dead guy's abdomen? (@ about 2:40) After he had flopped the guy around, bashed his head into the curb etc. He's not a doctor after all, what do you want?
Disgusting.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)zebonaut
(3,688 posts)we invent something better than the primitive gun
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Try this:
Cop: "This is the police. Do you understand me?"
(Leeloo turns and walks away)
Cop: "She doesn't."
W T F
(1,148 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Mr Williams was deaf in 1 ear, turned to see who was yelling and bam bam bam bam.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/woodcarver-was-shot-four-times-in-his-side-by-officer-autopsy-shows/
Theres nothing looking like he was facing toward him, Seattle attorney Tim Ford said of Williams position as the officer fired. It was all right side.
(clip)
Williams family has said he probably didnt even hear the officer command him to drop the knife because he was deaf in one ear and wearing headphones......
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)a brick if he saw a lumberjack with a chainsaw.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Yeah,...probably even him...
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Obey or die.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)The officer tells the alleged suspect to "get your hand out" three times, and when he doesn't, he shoots him and murders him. The video clearly showing exactly what transpired.
According to the article, "Officer Bron Cruz had good reason to think Taylor was pulling a gun out of his pants".
WTF? Damn if he does and damn if he doesn't.
The pig...I mean, officer, seems to be out to shoot someone. He shoots him because the alleged suspect wouldn't show his hands and then he claims he shot the alleged suspect because he thought the alleged suspect was pulling a gun out his pants.
Again, the video clearly shows the incident with sound as to what transpired, but, the murder was justified.
The pigs are on a nationwide rampage, murdering innocent civilians with impunity.
safeinOhio
(32,706 posts)If you shoot someone because "you think they were going for a weapon" and turns out there was no weapon, you lose your job and guns.
First. It shows you made a bad call and therefore your judgement is poor, let alone deadly.
Second. You should have the right to protect yourself, with that should be a responsible to use good judgement. No weapon, bad judgement, you are not qualified to make life or death judgements and carry a firearm.
That should just be part of the job. Your life is important too. Your job and the right to carry a gun is not as important as the death of an innocent life.
erronis
(15,314 posts)That should be drilled into these police officers heads. Unfortunately many of them seem to be operating with a juveniles under-developed cerebrum - the part that says "Wait, let's think this out."
The officer had his gun drawn, ready to fire. He had the ability to wait and reason.
I've known a lady with Parkinsons who was unable to respond to an officer and was probably pretty incoherent. She was murdered because she also didn't "obey orders."
IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Moral Compass
(1,523 posts)And so, they shot him
We are all familiar with the way some classic fairy tales end, And they lived happily ever after.
In the real world, in the 21st century, in the United States of Americawe are seeing many real stories about citizen interactions with their local police that have a different ending. It goes more like this, And so, they shot him.
The stories have certain attributes in common: the person shot is not white or is of immigrant origin; the person is either mentally ill or has ingested something which is causing them to be agitated or unable to fully comprehend whatever instructions are being screamed at them; when they are violently assaulted by the police using fists, feet, tasers, batons etc. the police perceive them as resisting (even when that resistance is involuntary writhing or thrashing in pain); they are unarmed; at the end of it all they end up dead. Oh, and one more thingeven when charges are preferred against the officers who admittedly gunned down an unarmed man or woman the officers are either not indicted or are subsequently acquitted (in spite of evidence that would assuredly but you or me in prison for a long, long time). They are then allowed to go forth and protect other victims.
Here are a few links to peruse if you want some concrete examples: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/star-student-killed-by-long-beach-police-was-going-to-change-the-world-sister/; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Freddie_Gray;
These incidents are happening in every region of the country. This isnt something restricted to some cultural backwater.
Why?
Here is the answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_v._Connor. This article is long and technical, but it is utterly meaningful and very, very important. This case is what allowed the incredibly loose and liberal use of force policies that all police forces train to
The funny thing is that this case only involved your basic police brutality and did not involve any shooting. Yet from this poison branch has fallen some very poisonous fruit.
The get-of-jail-free card that youll find in every single one of these cases is the word feel or felt. If the officer feels that he or she is threatened then it is open season mutha! It matters not that they were very, very wrong. What matters is that they felt threatened.
Im not young. So I remember police dramas where the story revolved around an officer who had shot a suspect and then was unable to find the gun that the officer thought the dead man had. This would inevitably lead to an internal affairs investigation of a bad shoot. We would be riveted to our seats through all the twists and turns hoping and praying that this good cop would be proven right and exonerated. Of course, the weapon would always turn up in a storm drain or a dumpster where it was thrown right before the policeman (or woman) shot the suspect. Whew! Dodged that bullet!
Well, isnt that quaint? The notion that a suspect has to be armed to justify a police shooting went right out the proverbial window once the Graham v. Connor decision was rendered.
In and spite of there being no use of a weapon in this case Graham v. Connor established a standard by which all police use of force is measured and judged: if there is a reasonable feeling on the part of the police officer(s) that they are in danger they can use force up to and including deadly force (sic).
I put (sic) there, because that is my distillation of the decision.
This case was the case that opened up a Pandora s Box of bad policing. Every cop in any U.S. police force serving today is trained to this standard. They are told by their trainers that their number one goal every day is to return home to their families safely and that they are free to use whatever level of force they feel is necessary. So, the standard is purely subjective. The objective requirement that existed in the past that there be a weapon such as a gun or knife involved hasnt been in place since 1989.
So, we have one case after another where the officer testifies under oath that they felt that their lives were in danger and charges are either dismissed, not brought at all, or the officer in question is acquitted in court. And so, we now have cases like this http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/24/us/michael-brelo-cleveland-police-officer-acquitted-of-manslaughter-in-2012-deaths.html?_r=0; http://time.com/3833489/dallas-screwdriver-police-shooting-grand-jury/;http://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-dallas-police-shoot-kill-mentally-ill-man-with-screwdriver/;http://www.inquisitr.com/2134902/pastor-killed-by-police-during-rescue-gone-wrong-wife-demands-to-see-dashcam-footage/.
The genie is truly out of the bottle on this one. Until we fix this there will be one story after another. Many will be truly egregious, unwarranted uses of deadly force. Often the officer will pay with their jobbut in many other cases there will be no repercussions. Occasionally, there will actually be criminal charges that stick.
But until this case is replaced by a new standard nothing will change. It will remain unsafe to call the police if you have a relative that is experiencing a mental illness episode. You cannot safely even argue with the police if they are beating the hell out of you for no discernible reason. We will all have to understand that the police are now an occupying force and you and your safety and security are not a priority.
What changed in 1989 is that no one on any police force has any duty to deescalate any situation. Rather they can go to full violent mode if they feel threatened. And, looked at from their perspective, the world is a very threatening place. They are armed to the teeth with a baton, pepper spray, a taser, and a firearm (I invite you, if you can do it safely, to mentally inventory the arsenal any police officer carries about on their person
it is a marvel that they can even walk). If they lose a physical confrontation any or all of these weapons will probably be turned against them. I imagine that their terror is analogous to an unhorsed knight in plate armor.
DreamSmoker
(841 posts)Way back in time, I was a Fire Fighter for the City I lived and grew up in..
At that time all City Employees were required to live in the Cities they worked..
Many time two officers were in one car...
Those Police and Firemen new their Areas well and the Folks that lived in those Areas..
Most of the Kids new the Police that frequented their Schools..
It worked both ways...
Today its all gone..
Many Police cannot even afford to live in the Areas they Patrol..
Many don't live in the Cities they work or even close..
There is on big Personal detachment from the Communities they are supposed to serve..
The Training is different today as well..
Serving and protecting themselves is the priority...
All in the Community are suspect until proved otherwise...
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The Salt Lake City police have been famous as idiots for at least 30 years, maybe longer. They race around in high speed chases, fire at citizens almost indiscriminately, and generally act like hyperactive teenagers.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)This cop got OFF??!?!?!?!?
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)The only difference here is its a white man.