Pic Of The Moment: GOP Candidates: End Birthright Citizenship

[EarlG]

A Good Chunk Of GOP Field Wants To Repeal The 14th Amendment

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[fredamae]

1. That philosophy, imo

Definitely includes the pathway to End Citizens United.
Corporations Are people according to SCOTUS.

[cascadiance]

2. Go ahead and commit suicide when corporations want to END you for ending corporate personhood...

... which was based on the language of the 14th amendment! Eat Sh*t and Die MFers!

http://www.amendmentgazette.com/are-corporations-people/

[olegramps]

13. Do they also want to send Blacks back to Africa?

[alfredo]

43. Yes, but it will get to the point where our society will grind to a halt.

Disappearing 41 million, on top of the 12 million Mexican/Central Americas would cause a severe labor shortage, and much lower GDP.

[jberryhill]

3. I want to hear Ted Cruz on this one

That'll be a hoot.

[RoccoR5955]

4. Wait, isn't he a Canadian? n/t

[ShrimpPoboy]

5. Born in Canada

to American parents. So this doesn't affect him.

[Motown_Johnny]

6. I believe only his mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth

his father was/is Cuban.

[ShrimpPoboy]

8. The Internet says you're right.

Regardless, he didn't get citizenship by being born here.

[staggerleem]

11. So was Obama's mother.

But did that keep Cruz from going all birther on him? NO!

I guess that makes TC a hypocrite as well as an idiot.

Oooh - new sniglet!

Hypocridiot!

[Motown_Johnny]

12. Yep.

Cruz actually is exactly what the birthers falsely accused Obama of being.

But he isn't black, so it will never be an issue.

[underpants]

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[d_legendary1]

9. So...wouldn't their move disqualify 99% of us

who have European ancestry and such? Or is this an attempt at establishing the paper bag test? Either way I'm not laughing.

[4lbs]

15. I think the GOP gist is that even if you are born in this country, you are truly only a US citizen

if both your parents are also US citizens.

This is a roundabout way of saying that if your mother is not a "true" US citizen (read: Mexican), then neither are you just by being born in the US.

[hfojvt]

23. I happen to agree with them

but I'd say only one parent needs to be a US citizen. A child of a US citizen is a US citizen no matter where they are born.

Once again, I am not sure I understand seeming liberal opposition to this. It has nothing really to do with Hispanics either. Why do even Hispanic citizens want, for example, a Chinese birth tourist to be granted citizenship?

It's absurd.

[d_legendary1]

24. Ahhhhh...So this is another racist dog whistle

for their supporters. That makes sense.

[valerief]

10. Back in the official U.S. slavery days, black men were only 3/5ths human.

Not sure how human black women were viewed. Or white women. All women were considered subhuman but to what degree?

Anyway, some things never change.

In this current climate where the GOP STILL despises ALL women, how many fifths of human are women? Do political classifications of race matter?

It's pretty clear the GOP wants to make slavery the law of the land again. Just like those countries where our terrrrrrsts come from.

[hfojvt]

26. you should know better than that

that 3/5's human stuff is just nonsense, and any educated person should know it.

Then again, I probably did not know it myself until a few years ago. The 3/5 meme seems to fly around the world before the truth gets its boots on.

The purpose of the 3/5 clause was not to de-humanize the slaves. Slavery already did that anyway. The purpose was to reduce the political power of the slave owners, and slave states. Congressional representation was (and still is) divided proportionally to population. If the 694,207 slaves in 1790 were counted as full citizens, that would give the slave states, and by extension the slave owners that much more representation in both Congress and the electoral college.

Really they should not have been counted AT ALL, but the slaves states would not join the union under those terms, so 3/5ths was a compromise. Instead of 694,207 in 1790, they counted as 416,000 or so. Which still gave the slave owners more extra representation than the entire state of Pennsylvania (for example).

I do not believe that women were ever considered subhuman either. Granted I am not quite old enough to have lived before 1920 (close, but not quite) but it seems likely to me that even in those dark ages that many, and probably most, men loved their wives and most children loved their mothers.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

14. I suggest that these people read about a certain Supreme Court case,

United States vs. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), which says that, with a few specific exceptions, such as the children of diplomats, anyone born in the US is an American citizen. Wong's parents were both Chinese subjects, prevented from becoming citizens by the Chinese Exclusion Acts. Yet Wong, because he was born in San Francisco, was held to be a natural born American citizen. See Justice Gray's opinion at http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZS.html

To overturn this is going to take a constitutional amendment.

[Cleita]

17. If this becomes law, god forbid, you might as well tear up the whole Constitution

and be done with it. I think they might have that in mind anyway.

[lastlib]

21. (they've already called it "a G--- d----- piece of paper.")

at least GWB is on record as saying it.

And yet they all say they love it. I think they just love the way it used to be--when a certain group of people were regarded as 3/5ths of a person, and only rich white men could vote or hold office.

[hfojvt]

28. explain that to me

if you would.

Why are birthright citizenship so important to you?

I can explain why it is NOT important to me, why I oppose it. I have to wonder, other than bowing and scraping before the awesome power of Hispanic voters, why does anybody favor it?

[Cleita]

29. It should be important to you if you are born American.

You could be next on some list to deny your citizenship.

[hfojvt]

32. I wasn't JUST born American

My parents were born American, and so were all of my grant parents, and 7 of 8 of my great grandparents (the other one having immigrated when he was 4).

The point is that the children of people who are NOT citizens should NOT automatically become citizens just by the accident of their birth (much less by the deliberateness of their birth (as I look over at China))

It's not about denying people citizenship, except at the very start. It should have been done years ago, and doubtless those cats cannot be put back in the bag, but it needs to be ended ASAP, as far as I am concerned.

So you support it based on some kind of fear?

[Cleita]

33. I get it they aren't white enough.

What a racist bunch of clap trap this is.

[hfojvt]

35. What does white have to do with it?

There are millions of black American citizens.

Non-citizens who cross the border and have a baby are simply not American enough. Has nothing to do with the color of their skin or what language they speak or religion they practice.

But hey, I am a South Dakotan, and in my view if there's more than one person to a square mile, then it's too damned crowded.

You still have not really said why you support it, or than to throw the r-word at people who oppose it. I really do not get it, at all.

Is that really the bottom line for progressives, to say basically "I favor X" and "anybody who is against X is clearly a racist, an idiot, an a$$hole, or a dupe"? There's no reason for the position?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

38. I see your point, for example

A French couple go together to the US on a vacation, and she has a baby (baby comes early). Why should that baby be an American citizen? The parents are going back to France next week. What purpose does it serve anyone?

[Borchkins]

39. The point is, if you're born here, you're a citizen, as it should be.

Oh, and my pedigree? 12th generation American. Four of my ancestors were on the Mayflower, and everyone born in the this country since, should have US citizenship.

[hfojvt]

41. that's not much of an argument

at all.

"as it should be"

Why do you think it should be that way? Just because some idiots in the past thought we would always want unlimited immigration?

[Borchkins]

50. There's a difference.

Being born here is different than being an immigrant and moving here after birth.

If your mother snuck across the border and gave birth here, you're a citizen.

If you're born here while your mother is on vacation or working here, you should have the option of being a citizen here--where you were born--or being a citizen of your mother's country.

[Cleita]

16. Didn't Hitler end citizenship for German Jews when he took power?

These guys aren't even hiding the fact that they are beginning to look and sound like they have all read "Mein Kampf" and are in agreement with it. The only difference is that they are targeting hispanics, the majority of whom are mostly Native American.

I have a suggestion. Why not end citizenship for all Americans whose ancestors arrived from Europe after 1492?

[struggle4progress]

18. "Repeal the Fourteenth Amendment!"

It's another great idea from the GOP for reaching out to minority voters!

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

19. Shorter GOP: Abolish citizenship for all non-Ayrans

Remember this the next time they try to claim that they're the party of Lincoln and the true heroes of civil rights.

They've done everything they can to shit on the legacy of the days when the GOP was the liberal, northern party and led the fight against racist dipshits.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

20. The BASE wants to see a roundup of ALL brown people.....

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Forget the "legally here" part. They want America to be a land for White People Only.

After that, they'll turn on their fellow white people for being different.

[classof56]

36. Ah yes...Reminds me of Malvina Reynolds' song...:

"Little boxes on the Hillside, little boxes made of ticky tacky, little boxes, little boxes, little boxes all the same..."

Sorry, couldn't resist. Took me back to my hippie days. Now wasn't that a time!

Peace.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

37. Or 'The Monkeys' "Pleasant Valley Sunday"....

"Rows of houses that are all the same and no one seems to care."

[captainarizona]

22. end birthright citizenship for republicans

Think of all the good things that would happen to this country if we made all registered republicans illegal aliens so they couldn't vote!

[Initech]

25. Which would require them to write a clause saying non birthright citizens can become president.

See? We can poke holes in their theories too!

[yurbud]

27. what do they want instead, the paper bag test?

[MADem]

30. So much for "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..." I guess

I guess all those Republicans are affiliated with Native American nations, and they've got none of that "immigrant STANK" on them.... since they seem so intent on keeping those OTHERS out!

Talk about an "I got MINE!!!" attitude!!!

[allan01]

31. humbug, they sure hate this country

nuke

[malthaussen]

34. I weep for my country.

Can there be much clearer proof that these men do not believe in the principles under which our country was founded?

-- Mal

[lonestarnot]

40. I would expect nothing less of idjit asshats.

[rocktivity]

47. "Who you callin' an idjit asshat, ya dad-gummed flea-bitten lib'ral varmint?"

"THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS!"


rocktivity

[lonestarnot]

48. ROFLMAO.

[dflprincess]

42. If they're talking about repealing the whole amendment and not just 'birthright citizenship"

then what they're really going after is the Equal Protection clause.

It's racist, sexist, xenophobic wet dream.

[MemphisTigerFan89]

44. Original Intent of the 14th Amendment

In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

The phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was intended to exclude American-born persons from automatic citizenship whose allegiance to the United States was not complete. With illegal aliens who are unlawfully in the United States, their native country has a claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the United States is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship.

http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

[rocktivity]

45. That may be what Senator Jacob Howard WANTED the 14th amendment to mean

But if that's what the 14th amendment is SUPPOSED to mean, why doesn't it say so?


rocktivity

[mythology]

46. Because I want to take advice from a site that cites Ann Coulter?

Oh and links to the National Review and George Will.

Yeah, no, this link is utter and unmitigated crap. I'm hoping the 5 jurors who left this were just too lazy to click the link and follow where you lead.

[randr]

49. Trump is a Trojan Horse in the Republic campaign

This issue above all shows him to be a saboteur. I am beginning to think his true intent is to bring down the far right.
No one on the conservative side will stand up to him and they will suffer another humiliating defeat.