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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:00 PM Aug 2015

Great Watch! Bernie at both his Serious and Funniest Best at the end of Segment with FBI Joke

Really Good Watch..

Published on Aug 17, 2015
Aug 17 -- On “With All Due Respect,” Senator Bernie Sanders, a candidate for the Democratic nomination, sits down with Mark Halperin and John Heilemann at the Iowa State Fair. He discusses his speech at the fair’s soapbox, the middle class and campaign finance. He even gave the crowd a glimpse of his monster imitation.


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Great Watch! Bernie at both his Serious and Funniest Best at the end of Segment with FBI Joke (Original Post) KoKo Aug 2015 OP
That was....incredible....talking about the corrupt political system created by Citizens United. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #1
The kid was trying to get Bernie to call his opponents "corrupt". Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #4
That was not a kid, that was journalist Mark Halperin, I stand to be corrected. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #5
Sorry, I couldn't see him, but he sounded like a cub reporter Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #6
It was Mark Halprin, who's on the same level as a cub reporter Jack Rabbit Aug 2015 #7
It's to Bernie Sanders' immense credit that he didn't allow himself to fall into Halperin's trap n/t markpkessinger Aug 2015 #9
That is what I like about Bernie. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #19
Yup he wanted some Hillary bashing mucifer Aug 2015 #29
Sanders is a good man that won't get down in the mud Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #30
A delight to watch. Bernie handles questions with aplomb. As always. n/t RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #2
What class and self-discipline! DrBulldog Aug 2015 #3
Halperin might be a moron. but he's an extremely influential moron. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #12
And personality - he's got it all. fbc Aug 2015 #13
Mr. President NowSam Aug 2015 #8
It is Kind of Painful to Watch DonaldChump Aug 2015 #10
Bernie did not "insist that individuals are not corrupt...". We can all hear the video, new poser! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #11
That is what I personally got from the video. DonaldChump Aug 2015 #15
Why don't you the answer the question GP6971 Aug 2015 #16
What's even more obvious is that you are 'evasive' about this. immoderate Aug 2015 #23
You can see it however you want. DonaldChump Aug 2015 #24
Thanks for the tip. immoderate Aug 2015 #25
The best example of corruption is the voting machine companies Stevepol Aug 2015 #22
Well Bernie was correctly focusing on the big money in politics dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #27
This is why he will win. nt silvershadow Aug 2015 #14
I truly believe that… because it is happening now... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #17
Yes. The train has left the station. nt silvershadow Aug 2015 #20
MONSTER IMITATION!!!!! dirtydickcheney Aug 2015 #18
I just love this guy. SmittynMo Aug 2015 #21
And....the MSM says Bernie is "Humorless"... KoKo Aug 2015 #26
+1, and thanks for the post Koko - eom dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #28

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. That was....incredible....talking about the corrupt political system created by Citizens United.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:08 PM
Aug 2015

Smacking down the idiotic questioning that tried to focus on the effects of the corruption rather than the corrupt system itself....wonderfully done...a very sharp mind.

And finally beseeching the media to "call a spade a spade", to talk about and do something, just change the laws - because the election fianance campaign legal wasteland is creating a playground for the rich and corrupt to dismantle democracy.


Can not REC enough!

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
4. The kid was trying to get Bernie to call his opponents "corrupt".
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:53 PM
Aug 2015

Did he really think Bernie's that stupid? Bern didn't bite.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. That was not a kid, that was journalist Mark Halperin, I stand to be corrected.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:55 PM
Aug 2015

Also how Halperin tried to portray anyone forced to play the CU Dance of Corruption as being themselves corrupt, when it is the system that is corrupt...very well done.

"Corruption" happening to their political and economic system and folks waking up to that corruption and how it effects their daily lives has sparked popular uprisings in many, many countries.

Hence the media silence when Sanders or anyone else speaks of that which must not be spoken - systemic corruption and the supporters and beneficiaries of that corruption - which is the entire GOP and mass media, for sorters.

markpkessinger

(8,912 posts)
9. It's to Bernie Sanders' immense credit that he didn't allow himself to fall into Halperin's trap n/t
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:32 PM
Aug 2015

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
19. That is what I like about Bernie.
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 04:30 AM
Aug 2015

He is not a hateful, vengeful person.

He focuses on the issues so well because he thinks from his moral sense, from his values, from his respect for other people. He is one of a kind in this respect.

I admire him very much and wish I could be more like him with regard to his fairness toward other people.

He really sets a good example.

Judge not that ye be not judged. That's Bernie.

Me, I am not in Bernie's class with regard to always talking about issues rather than personalities.

He is just a really good person. I think he will make a wonderful president and set our country back on a fair, more harmonious path. And not through repression, anger and vindictiveness, just through a sense of trying to do what is fair and right and getting others to work with him to achieve fairness and realize our values.

mucifer

(25,667 posts)
29. Yup he wanted some Hillary bashing
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:27 AM
Aug 2015

Sanders knows he might be supporting her in the general election and doesn't want that sound bite.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
30. Sanders is a good man that won't get down in the mud
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:12 AM
Aug 2015

That's why I love the guy! Go Bern!!

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
3. What class and self-discipline!
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:47 PM
Aug 2015

He - and everyone around him - knew he was talking to a MORON - and yet Bernie never said one single demeaning or insulting word to him. I am not sure I could have done the same thing.

hedda_foil

(16,985 posts)
12. Halperin might be a moron. but he's an extremely influential moron.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:43 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie has the best message discipline of any politician I've ever seen.

DonaldChump

(9 posts)
10. It is Kind of Painful to Watch
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:32 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie insist that individuals are not corrupt, only the system.

But I understand why he is doing it. It's smart and I am glad he is sticking to his main point and not letting himself get distracted.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
11. Bernie did not "insist that individuals are not corrupt...". We can all hear the video, new poser!
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:41 PM
Aug 2015

Why the distortion, did you not listen to the video?

And what are you talking about...what was "painful to watch"??

DonaldChump

(9 posts)
15. That is what I personally got from the video.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:56 PM
Aug 2015

Relax. It's obvious that you are defensive about this.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
22. The best example of corruption is the voting machine companies
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:07 AM
Aug 2015

These companies cozy up to the powers that be, mostly the Republicans but certainly not exclusively the Repubs. It's probably the reason that WI has tilted so much to the right. Do you think in such a short period of time, with the economy in such dire straits even today, that people would suddenly start voting so strongly Repub in WI of all places?

Since about 2000 they have consistently opposed anything that would lead to better transparency and the ability to verify the vote. They were opposed to the paper trail in the touch-screens until they were forced to do that. In FL they were for the law that makes it illegal (ILLEGAL!) to count the vote by hand, or rather to re-count the vote by hand. The votes have to be put back thru the same machine that counted them in the first place. It's hard for me to think of a more illogical, insane law. They were against any non-electronic voting method for the blind, even though there are several very easy ways to provide for blind voters that do not directly involve the voting machines. They are consistently for dropping the requirement to count the votes at the precinct level and post the results before transferring the totals to the central tabulators, they are opposed to audits of any kind, they swear that the memory cards cannot serve as a means of downloading an executable program to the machine such that the result that is uploaded to the card is tainted and yet Hari Hursti did that very thing in Bev Harris's HACKING AMERICA movie. They claim that nobody would cheat in programming or handling the vote totals because that would be a crime and thus nobody would do it, etc. etc.

I could go on, but the point is easy to see. These companies are inherently un-democratic. Why? The owners of the companies are almost universally far right-wing ideologues. To think that they would not cheat is fantasy land. How can you catch a cheat if you can't verify the vote? If you were told that you could change the vote with almost zero possibility of being caught, would you cheat?

This is the ultimate in corruption: to do everything in your power to prevent the people from verifying that their vote has been fairly counted.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
27. Well Bernie was correctly focusing on the big money in politics
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:54 AM
Aug 2015

and its corrupting influence, which is damn near total influence, which is why none of our representatives put any energy into the real reforms that would solve our problems to the benefit of our non-incorporated persons.

But your point is also extremely important, obviously, and thanks for taking the time to make it. It's pretty unbelievable our votes are cast and counted by far-rightwing corporations using proprietary and mostly unverifiable methodology.

I would think somebody would do something about it, isn't it generally up to the secretary of elections in each state, which is an elected position accountable to the people? There has been some progress in this area, in California for one, but not nearly enough, it seems that if the lie is big enough (computer voting and tabulation fraud) no-one is willing to take it seriously?

The studies I've read about how a percentage of the returns often tilts to the right more than would be expected are pretty damning. IIRC they usually use exit polls to make this determination, so of course the exit polls are attacked as unreliable. They were always considered extremely reliable in the past. I'm with you, this is a real problem and we are all just being distracted by the squirrel on Trump's head, or whatever the story of the day is, while the fix is in. I assume they only fix things if necessary, they prefer to manipulate opinion through media control and through ad buys paid for by the corporations whose interests are being served, but if the voters don't cooperate and vote for acceptable candidates, the election returns cannot be trusted, and there are a lot of real-world examples and studies to back that up. Huge problem.

Obama's choice for Secretary of Defense was an interesting one. From Hagel's wikipedia page:

in 1992 Hagel moved back to Nebraska to become president of the McCarthy Group, LLC, an investment banking firm.[28] He also served as a Chairman and was CEO of American Information Systems Inc. (AIS), later known as Election Systems & Software, a computerized voting machine manufacturer jointly owned by McCarthy Group, LLC and the Omaha World-Herald company.


Eh? A Republican Senator who was the former CEO of one of the largest computerized voting machine manufacturers was chosen by Obama to be his Secretary of Defense. I was thinking Hagel was being positioned to be POTUS after Obama. I don't know exactly what went bad for Hagel, he is clearly out of favor now, it was something I was keeping my eye on though.

Also there is this story, which I have not taken the time yet to delve into (too much going on trying to get my life in order right now) but it looks interesting:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016130139
A mathematician may have uncovered widespread election fraud, and Kansas is trying to silence her

Could somebody like Sanders get elected using today's election apparatus? I don't know. At this point he is still well behind Hillary. If he catches up to her before election day I don't know how much confidence I'd have in a fair result, or if he gets to the general election I sure don't know how much I'd trust it. Corporations have their interests, and they will do what they can to advance them.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
21. I just love this guy.
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:41 AM
Aug 2015

Listening to him gives me hope that we can turn this around and make it a democracy again. Go Bernie!!!! Feel the Bern!!!!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
26. And....the MSM says Bernie is "Humorless"...
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 08:56 PM
Aug 2015

They spend all their time on "TRUMP" and don't even see the Insurgent Sanders act as he flaunts his "Magical Magician Act" with free Helicopter Rides for Kids and Mighty Wall Street Empire backing him up along with his Golden Palaces in Palm Beach, FLA, NYC ....and who knows where else he hides his fortunes.

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