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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
2. All of them. You got a problem with that?
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 11:41 PM
Oct 2015

These 3 days of protest action have broad support in the progressive community and the among people organizing for police accountability.

If you're not down with this, OK, do your own thing. No need to shit on the efforts of others.


Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
4. That's just like, your opinion, man
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 12:58 AM
Oct 2015

Rcp are organizers and allies against police brutality and mass incarceration. They have been helping lead that fight for years, before it was in style and long before it was on the radar for liberals.

I don't agree with all their views but I'd be proud to stand with them on a project like this.

Anyone can click through to http://riseupoctober.org to learn more about these 3 days of action and judge for themselves.



(6,419 posts)
5. I respect your good intentions but here's a good article about the parasitic Stalinist cult RCP
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 01:49 PM
Oct 2015

Groups like ANSWER and the RCP are only against police brutality and mass incarceration in this country & that's one thing wrong with them. RCP is also something of a cult for its founder, accomplishing nothing but attracting donations and followers while tarnishing whatever protest they are affiliated with


(14,691 posts)
6. I'm somewhat familiar with ANSWER but not RCP-
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 01:58 PM
Oct 2015

in my activist experience in NYC, ANSWER is also a kind of parasitic cult that gloms onto numerous left-wing causes but doesn't cooperate with other groups. They have their own agenda, which is promoting ANSWER.


Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
7. Liberal red-baiting garbage
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 04:38 PM
Oct 2015

If they are mostly focused on police brutality and mass incarceration in this country maybe that's BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY and so do we. You could say the same exact thing about BLM or Campaign Zero or ANY of the movement groups .

"Cult" is partly a slur used against one of these groups to discredit them because of their radical views. Have you ever seen how cult-like a Democratic Senate campaign can get? It's not any more cult-like than that.

These actions and this movement are about much more than any one group. And the particular group you are focused on tarnishing is actually not so bad.

A large group of activists and organizers spent the weekend speaking out and engaging in non-violent direct action to confront problems in the criminal justice system. It's too bad you're so focused on badmouthing these activists that you've paid zero attention to the message.

These actions were endorsed by a wide range of leftist and progressive groups, and families of victims.

Family members of those whose lives were taken by police:

Hannibal Saleem Ali, uncle of Anjustine Hunter, killed by Memphis TN police, 2013
Iris Baez, mother of Anthony Baez, killed by NYPD, 1994
Hawa Bah, mother of Mohammed Bah, killed by NYPD, 2012
Jessie Barber, mother of Gilbert Barber, killed by Guilford County, NC police, 2001
Collier Baggett, grandmother of Jimmell Cannon, 13, shot 8 times by Chicago police, survived, 2011
Steven Benjamin, brother of Jayvis Benjamin, killed by Avondale Estates Police (GA), 2013
Alfricka Bennett, mother of Shaqur McNair, killed by Fayetteville NC police, 2013
Art Blakey II, brother of Kiana Nicole Blakey, killed by police in 1989
Tanya Brown, mother of Brandon Jones, killed by Cleveland police, 2015
Robinette Chandler, cousin of Mansur Ball-Bey, killed by St. Louis police, 2015
Danika Chatman, mother of Kenneth Harding,killed by San Francisco PD, 2011
Felicia Christian, mother of Alexia Christian, killed by Atlanta Police, 2015
Lucius Christian, grandfather of Alexia Christian, killed by Atlanta Police, 2015
Family of Alfontish "NuNu" Cockerham, killed by Chicago PD, June 15, 2015
Lanna Covarrubius, sister of Daniel Isaac Covarrubias, killed by Lakewood, WA police, 2015
John Crawford, Jr., father of John Crawford III, killed by Beavercreek OH police, 2014
L'Sana DJahspora, father of Cinque 'Q' DJahspora, executed by Jackson, TN police 2014
Kim Daniels, sister of man killed by NYPD, 1983
Kadiatou Diallo, cousin of Amadou Diallo, killed by NYPD, 2000
Gloria Ditiway, mother of Darius Pinex, killed by Chicago police, 2011
Yolanda Dozier, mother of Dwayne Ward, killed by Pittsburgh CA police, 2015
Dionne Smith Downs & Carey Downs, parents James Rivera Jr., killed 2010 by Stockton CA police
Ophelia Ealy, mother of Michael Randall Ealy, murdered by Seattle police, 1998
Panzy Edwards, mother of Dakota Bright, killed by Chicago PD, 2012
Pamela Fields, mother of Donte Jordan, killed by Long Beach CA Police, 2013
Miracle Fletcher, family member of Joetavius Stafford, killed by MARTA Atlanta GA police, 2011
Yohanna Flores, daughter of Ernesto Flores, killed by San Bernardino CA Sheriffs, 2015
Maria Perez Giron, mother of Oscar Perez Giron murdered by King County WA
Deputy Sheriff, 2014
Latanya Goldsby, counsin of Tamir Rice, killed by Cleveland police, 2014
Ruben Gonzalez, brother of Hector Morejon, killed by Long Beach CA Police, 2015
Kimberly Griffin, mother of Kimoni Davis, killed by Hanging Rock OH police, 2015
Maria Hamilton, mother of Dontre Hamilton, killed by Milwaukee WI Police, 2014
Nicholas Heyward Sr., father of Nicholas Jr., killed by NYPD, 1994
Chemika Hollis, partner of Nate Wilks, killed by police in Oakland, CA, 2015
Clara Holmes, aunt of Isaac Holmes, killed by St. Louis police, 2015
Dorothy Holmes, mother of Ronald Johnson killed by Chicago police, 2014
Alice Howell, grandmother of Justus Howell, killed by Zion IL police, 2015
LaToya Howell, mother of Justus Howell, killed by Zion IL police, 2015
Andrea Irwin, mother of Tony Robinson Jr., killed by Madison WI police, 2015
Sharon Irwin, grandmother of Tony Robinston Jr., killed by Madison WI police, 2015
Mesha Izarry, mother of Idriss Stelley, killed by San Francisco Police Department, 2001
Cephus Uncle Bobby Johnson, uncle of Oscar Grant, killed by transit police, 2009, Oakland CA; Love Not Blood Campaign
Clarence Jones, father of Brandon Jones, killed by Cleveland police, 2015
Mertilla Jones, grandma of Aiyana Monay Stanley Jones, aged 7, killed by Detroit MI police, 2010
Tawanda Jones, sister of Tyrone West killed by Baltimore police in 2013
Andrew Joseph, father of Andrew Joseph III, 14, died in custody, Tampa FL
Alicia Kirkman, mother of 17 year old son killed by police, Ohio
Cynthia Lane, mother of Roshad McIntosh, 19, killed by police
Joshua Lopez, nephew of John Collado, killed by NYPD 2012
Gabrielle McCarter, wife of minister killed by Jasper TX sheriffs, 2011
Freddie McGee, father of Freddie Latrise Wilson, killed by Chicago PD 2007
Yolanda McNair, mother of Adaisha Miller, killed by off-duty Detroit police officer
Kareem Morad, cousin of Feras Morad, killed by Long Beach CA Police, 2015
Cindy Angie Morejon, sister in-law of Hector Morejon, killed by Long Beach CA Police, 2015
Christopher Muhammad, cousin of Tamir Rice, killed by Cleveland OH police, 2014
Syreeta Myers, mother of VonDerrit Myers Jr., killed by police in St. Louis, 2014
VonDerrit Deondray Myers Sr. father of VonDerrit Myers Jr., killed by police in St. Louis, 2014
Angela Naggie, mother of O'Shaine Evans, killed by San Francisco PD, 2014
Edith Obdulio Oliva. father of Carlos Oliva-Sola, killed by LA Sheriffs, September 2013
Reginald Owens, father of Na’im Owens,and stepfather of Khiel Cappin, killed by NYPD
Erica Parker, sister of Dante Parker, murdered by San Bernardino Sheriffs, 2014
Rick Perez; Family of Pedie Perez, Shot and killed by Richmond CA police 2014
Samaria Rice, mother of Tamir Rice, killed by Cleveland OH police, 2014
Chris Silva, brother of David Silva, beat to death by Bakersfield CA police, 2013
Andree Penix Smith, mother of Justin Smith, killed by Tulsa OK police
Crystal Smith, mother of Carey Smith-Viramontes, killed by Long Beach CA Police, 2014
Shannon Smith, aunt of Carey Smith-Viramontes, killed by Long Beach CA Police, 2014
Teresa Smith, mother of James Smith, brutally beaten by police and mauled by police canine of Stockton CA PD
Theresa Smith, mother of Caesar Cruz, murdered by Anaheim CA Police, 2009
Calvert Stewart, father of Gilbert A. Barber, killed by Guilford County NC Sheriffs, 2001
Jean Thaxton, mother of Michael Nida, killed by Downey CA Police, 2011
Terri Thaxton, sister of Michael Nida, killed by Downey CA Police, 2011
Valencia Tucker, sister of Alexia Christian, killed by Atlanta Police, 2015
Laurie Valdez, partner of Antonio Guzman Lopez, killed by San Jose State University PD, 2014
Sharon Watkins, mother of Phillip Watkins, killed by San Jose CA PD, 2015
Donna Marie Wicks, mother of Kevin E. Wicks, killed by Inglewood, CA Police, 2008
Cadine Williams, sister of O'Shaine Evans, killed by San Francisco PD, 2014
Barbara, Eric, Rick & Rita Williams, siblings of John T. Williams, killed by Seattle police 2010
Juanita Young, mother of Malcolm Ferguson, killed by NYPD 2000

Selected Endorsers:

Edward Asner, actor
William Ayers, Movement Reimagining Change
Harry Belafonte
Ty Burrell
Charles Burnett, filmmaker
Noam Chomsky, Professor (ret.), MIT*
Lea DeLaria, actor (Orange is the New Black)
Bernardine Dohrn, Clinical Prof (ret) Northwestern Univ School of Law
Eve Ensler, playwright, author of Vagina Monologues
Shepard Fairey, artist
Charles Gaines, artist
Roman GianArthur
Immortal Technique
Jamal Joseph, Artistic Director New Heritage Theatre Group, Professor, Columbia University*
Harry Lennix, Artist
Bernard Lown, MD Professor Emeritus Harvard School of Public Health; Nobel Laureate for Peace Prize 1985
Robert Rosen, former dean of the UCLA School of Theater, Film and Television*
Mark Ruffalo, actor
Cindy Sheehan, mother of Casey Sheehan, killed in unjust U.S. war on Iraq, 2004
Ted Sirota, musician
Jill Stein, Presidential candidate, 2016 for the Green Party
Quentin Tarantino
Hank Willis Thomas, Artist
Alice Walker
D. Watkins, writer
Dan Zanes
Partnering Organizations:
4th Universalist Society, NYC
Al-Awda: The Palestine Right to Return Coalition
Alliance for Global Justice
Granny Peace Brigade
Green Party of Brooklyn
Green Party of New York State
Judson Memorial Church
The Justice League NYC
Stop Mass Incarceration Network
Universal Zulu Nation, NYC
WBAI Free Speech Radio 99.5 - Pacifica Radio in New York City
World Can't Wait

Endorsing Organizations:

Acronym TV
Alternative Banking, Occupy Wall Street
Big Apple Coffee Party
The Black Institute
Broward Green Party
Communist Party of Boston (CPUSA)
Families United for Racial and Economic Equality (FUREE)
Fifth Avenue Committee
Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition
Freedom Socialist Party
Gotham Greens Local
Gowanus Houses Art Collective
Green Party of Minnesota
Green Party of Pennsylvania
Green Party of Rhode Island
Hot Indie News
International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal
Independent Green Party of Virginia
Jail Action Coalition
Media Island International
National Lawyers Guild, Detroit Michigan Chapter
Nebraska Greens
New Abolitionist Movement (NYC)
Phoenix Queens of the Nation - Wisdom Born Zulu Chapter
Puncture the Silence, Cleveland OH
Radical Women
Release Aging People in Prison (RAPP Campaign)
Show Up America!
Social Justice Action Staten Island
South Bronx Community Congress
St. Mary's Episcopal Church, Harlem
Staten Island Against Racism & Police Brutality (SIARAPB)
Staten Island Greens
United Black Christian Clergy of Washington
United for Peace & Justice

Faith Leaders:

Imam A. Abdul Bagi, Islamic Leadership Council, Jamaica NY
Imam Al-Hajj Talib Abdur-Rashid, The Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood, NYC
Nkosi Anderson, MDiv, Educator / Activist
Rafael Angulo, Clinical Professor, Field Education, USC School of Social Work
Rev. John Buehrens; Sr Minister, First Unitarian-Universalist Church, San Francisco*, Past President, Unitarian Universalist Association*
Rev. Oliver Buie, Holman United Methodist Church
Robert Brashear, West Park Presbyterian Church, New York City
Rev. Richard Meri Ka Ra Byrd, KRST Unity Center, Los Angeles
James H. Cone, Charles Augustus Briggs Distinguished Professor of Systematic Theology, Union Theological Seminary*
Rev. Julian "J.Kwest" DeShazier, University Church Chicago
King Downing, Ferguson Legal Defense Committee, NYC
Mike Greene, Lead pastor, Highland Hills United Methodist, Cedar Hill, TX
Rev. Gregg L. Greer, President, Freedom First International, IL
Rev. Marshall Hatch, Pastor, New Mount Pilgrim Church
Rev. Emily Heitzman, Pastor, Youth and Households, Edgewater Congregations Together (Unity, Ebenezer, & Immanuel Lutheran Churches)
Rev. Stephen C. Holton, STM, New York Episcopal Diocese
Pastor Paul A. Hutson, Joshua House Ministries, St. Louis, MO
Rev. Philip C. Jacobs, Rector, Trinity Episcopal Church, Canton MA
Reverend Robert L. Jeffrey, Seattle WA
Theodore (Ted) Jennings Jr., Chicago Theological Seminary* Professor of Biblical and Philosophical Theology
Rev. Steve Jerbi, All People's Lutheran Church, Milwaukee, WI*
Rev. Nelson Johnson, Beloved Community Center, Greensboro, NC
Rev. James A. Kowalski, Cathedral of St. John the Divine*
Bruce Knotts, Unitarian Universalist United Nations Office*
Danilo Lachapel, Evangelica Española Del Bronx
Rabbi Michael Lerner; Editor, Tikkun; Chair, The Interfaith and Secular-Humanist-Welcoming Network of Spiritual Progressives
Rev. Glenn Libby, Rector, St. Philip's Church, Los Angeles, CA
Rev. Jerome McCorry, Stop Mass Incarceration Natl Steering Committee, JMcCorrySpeaks Ministries
Rev. Cecil Murray, co-founder, Cecil Murray Center for Community Engagement, USC
Gus Newport, National Council of Elders, former Mayor of Berkeley CA
Rev. David Carl Olson, Minister, First Unitarian Church of Baltimore
Rev. Stephen H. Phelps, Member, Presbytery of New York City*
The Mission and Social Justice Commission of the Riverside Church, New York City
Rabbi Brant Rosen, Tzedek Chicago
Matt Seargeant, Chino United Methodist Church, CA
Rev. J. Alfred Smith, Jr.; Senior Pastor, Allen Temple Baptist Church, Oakland CA
Father Richard Smith, St. John the Evangelist Episcopal Church, CA
Jan Thompson, EqUUal Inclusion Team of the Unitarian Universalist Church of Los Angeles
Sarah Thompson, Executive Director, Christian Peacemaker Teams*
Rev. Cleven Wardlow Jr., Roberts Temple Church of God in Christ, Chicago IL
Rev. Chantell Wright
Rev. Frank Wulf, Pastor, University of Southern CA United University Church

More Selected Endorsers:

Jeff Adachi, San Francisco Public Defender*
Pam Africa, International Concerned Family & Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal
Ramona Africa, MOVE
Gbenga Akinnagbe, actor
Charles Alexander, Director, Academic Advancement Program (AAP), UCLA*
Rafael Angulo, Clinical Professor, Field Education, USC School of Social Work
Luis Barrios, Professor John Jay College of Criminal Justice*
Nellie Hester Bailey
Medea Benjamin, co-founder, CODEPINK
Herb Boyd
Dante Boykin
Brandi W. Catanese, Prof. of African American Studies - U.C. Berkeley*
Jahmal Cleveland (AKA J-Duce); Music Donator
Marsha Coleman-Abedayo
Kimberle Crenshaw, professor, UCLA & Columbia University School of Law*
Betty Davis, New Abolitionist Movement
King Downing, Ferguson Legal Defense Committee, NYC
Jodie Evans, co-founder, CODEPINK
Mujahid Farid, Release Aging People from Prison
Darryle Gatlin, Adjunct Professor of Afrikana Studies, Cal State University, Northridge
Paul Gilmore, NY Greens, Stop the Drug War
Airickca Gordon-Taylor, Mamie Till Mobley Foundation
Carl Hart, Author of High Price: A Neuroscientist’s Journey of Self-Discovery That Challenges Everything You Know about Drugs and Society; Professor, Columbia University*
Martha Hennessy, Catholic Worker, NYC
Jack Heyman; retired ILWU Local 10, Transport Workers Solidarity Committee
Aleah Holland RN
Martese Johnson, student/activist University of Virginia*
Ray Laforest, Haitian Labor Leader, former Pacifica National Board member
Eric Mar, Supervisor, City & County of San Francisco*
Marie Martin, retired nurse and teacher, relative in solitary confinement in CA prison
Basir Mchawi, Family & Friends of Dr. Mutulu Shakur
Mark Crispin Miller, Professor of Media, Culture and Communication at New York University*
Travis Morales, Stop Mass Incarceration Network - NYC Steering Committee
Jessica Care Moore, Black Women Rock!
Gus Newport, National Council of Elders, former Mayor of Berkeley CA
Efia Nwangaza, Stop Mass Incarceration Natl Steering Committee; Malcolm X Center; MXP Community Radio
William P. Quigley, Law professor, Director of the Law Clinic. Gillis Long Poverty Law Center at Loyola University New Orleans*
Mary Ratcliff, Editor, San Francisco BayView Newspaper
Boots Riley, The Coup
Lynne Stewart & Ralph Poynter, lynnstewart.org
Michael Gene Sullivan, Collective member, San Francisco Mime Troupe (&) Author of "Freedomland"
Debra Sweet, Director, World Can't Wait
Victor Toro Ramirez, Coalicion 1ero de mayo del Bronx
Nelson Torres, Assistant Professor, Hostos Community College
Josmar Trujillo, New Yorkers Against Bratton
Aleta Alston Toure’, Stop Mass Incarceration Network Natl Steering Committee, Southern Movement Alliance, The New Jim Crow Movement, Free Marissa NOW (FMN), #BlackWomensLivesMatter
Raymond Turner, Upsurge! NYC
Maru Mora Villalpando, Latino Advocacy, Seattle WA
Paul Von Blum, Senior Lecturer African American Studies & Communication Studies, UCLA
James Vrettos, Professor John Jay College of Criminal Justice*
Victor Wallis, Socialism and Democracy
Erin White, 4th Universalist Society
Michael W. Warren, attorney

* Institutions for identification only


(6,419 posts)
8. you slam progressives and support the Stalinist semi-cult/scam
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:28 PM
Oct 2015

so I guess you're a fan/follower/devotee of Bob Avakian.

Thanks for the long list, but you left out a part, an accident I'm sure. From the same page it shows the "inititiators" as

So I guess I wasn't wrong to focus on that group after all

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
9. You're the one putting down the work of this whole movement because the organizers are communists
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:42 PM
Oct 2015

I don't have a problem with Bob Avakian. You keep calling them a cult but it doesn't seem like any more of a cult than your typical Democratic Senate campaign office. Do you know how culty those places can get?

You keep calling them "Stalinists" as if that's supposed to scare people. I do know RCP is Marxist-Leninist-Maoist. That's what they inherited from the Black Panther Party, which is the movement they grew out of.

None of that is a problem. And no I don't agree with all their ideology but I really don't care either. They are allies and organizers in these struggles.

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