Why the DLC & Third Way Are "Freaked Out" About Bernie

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1. The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Establishment Is Apoplectic About A Bernie Presidency

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[peacebird]

2. Good.

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3. Agree Completely

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[tokenlib]

4. Democrats for the Leisure Class...

They can change their name to Third Way, but they are still the corporatist, Wall Street coddlers they've always been..

[cantbeserious]

5. Right On - The Name Changes - The Spots Do Not

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[glinda]

25. Their Chair is from WI and their platform reads nebulous.

SO anything goes for them I guess.

[fredamae]

6. Al From

http://alfrom.org/


"Ignoring inequality issues spells end of New Democrats"
http://www.heraldnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20151105/OPINION04/151109605

Video:
"Al From "The New Democrats and the Return to Power""

[appalachiablue]

15. Good stuff, thanks.

[Dustlawyer]

7. We have a lot of work to do to fight the media oligopoly and get the truth out!

The truth is that our campaign finance system allows the PTB to buy elections and politicians. It is not a level playing field. They control who we get to vote for, with Bernie being the exception to the rule!

Obama showed how they operate, he promptly forgot the promises he made concerning Wall Street and jumped straight into bed with them. They put Obama in the White House with their money and his talent for motivating us into thinking that he was for us instead of the PTB. This is what Bill Clinton did as well and Hillary works out of the same playbook.

Our fight is to turn all of this around and Bernie is the only one that can do it. This is the test of our time, whether we can save our Democracy and repair all of the damage to our institutions. We need to educate all of the low information voters so that they are no longer duped to vote against their interests. Everyone already agrees that our system is corrupt, we just disagree with who and what it takes to fix it. We have to overcome the media oligarchy and their propaganda. I have found that Trump supporters are more receptive to Bernie's message once it is explained to them. A lot of Trump's appeal comes from the frustration that Washington is corrupt, they just mistakenly believe that he is the one that can fix it.

[cantbeserious]

8. Roger That

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[Joe Chi Minh]

9. 'Always been a centre-left country ? Is he crazy ?'

The only country in the Western world without a national health service, and has the word 'left' in a description of its political orientation ?

[Bubzer]

14. He's not crazy, he's correct. The population is overal center left.

But that's not good enough. The right (and some claiming to be on the left... see: third way) is very good at manufacturing consent for passing GOP legislation, and making it harder and harder for actual populist policy getting done.

[Phlem]

16. uh huh. OK.

[Trajan]

30. This is the disconnect

When people's vote, they vote close to 50/50 conservative versus liberal ... But, when polled about specific policies, most of those polled favored liberal policies, like Social Security and Medicare, at far greater numbers than presidential voting patterns would suggest ...

[Bubzer]

31. Exactly right. The populace tends to favor liberal policies, as long as they aren't termed liberal.

The GOP is very good at one thing; demonizing the democratic base.

[Phlem]

35. OK I get it.

Sorry for the disconnect. I do the best I can but I work 6 days minimum a week. 1 day off seems like a dream. And that's exactly what I was doing. I'll refocus, I was just not using my brain.

[Bubzer]

40. No worries. We all go off the rails now and then. The community is here to help us keep on track.

[passiveporcupine]

37. That is probably because the left is partly made up of too many groups

that just don't vote, or are disenfranchised from voting.

The polls probably reflect a lot of non-voters.

[PosterChild]

24. What's the difference between . ....

..... "consent" and "manufactured consent"?

[Bubzer]

32. To realy undestand manufactured consent, you'll want to look up the book from Noam Chomsky.

But a broad overview is that it is what happens when media is used to convince people of a specific narrative that they might not agree to otherwise.

[PosterChild]

38. I'm familiar with Chomsky's concept....

....and I find it to be a bit silly. Someone convinces someone of something that you, yourself, do not agree with and so it is "manufactured" consent . If they are convinced of something you happen to be convinced of it's just good old consent.

"Manufactured consent" seems to me to simply be a pejorative term deployed when someone finds themselves to be in the minority and is incapable of convincing others of the virtue of their own opinions. Sort of a sour grapes thing.

[Bubzer]

39. I see it a bit differently, but I can see where you're comming from.

It's a bit more complex and underhanded than simply convincing someone of the virtues of a stance.
It includes a host of methods of manipulation through media. Fox News is a great example; they often misrepresent facts to further an agenda. The GOP employs this tactic regularly. They don't have to get somone to vote their way, they just have to make that person not vote in favor of the opposition by feeding them all kinds of propaganda.

I could certainly see some using manufactured consent in the pejorative... but I would say unless there is evidence to support a claim and someone is simply grumping over not being in the majority, then it's not actually manufactured consent. So, there is, in my mind, obligatory evidence for legitimacy... rather than merely a pejorative.

[Enthusiast]

10. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

[Phlem]

11. K&R!!!!

[Jack Rabbit]

12. K/R

[840high]

13. k/r x100

[appalachiablue]

17. K & R. Fear the Bern is right!

[sorechasm]

18. The Third Way wants no labels because they would so obviously be labelled as Republicans.

What Democratic organization is afraid to reveal their source of funding? Why would one funding source control both the GOP and the DLC? So they can pull all the levers?

Any wonder why Hillary is so non-committal on liberal causes until a cause might run away with a loss of votes (when she borrows Bernie's or Elizabeth's platform)? Could it be that she wants our votes, but not our compassion nor ideas, nor concerns, or burdens? Is Hillary dedicated to saving the middle class or the lower class? She did wag her finger at NASDAC. I guess she feels that's all we deserve.

[DhhD]

21. Clinton has been busy in the recent past. She has delivered Mexico to the 1%.

Mexico is now TPP ready, thanks to Clinton and her revolving door, team. She is delivering a lot of folks to the 1%.

[Populist_Prole]

23. There are even trolls on this site that claim that the Third-Way doesn't even exist

As it's some boogeyman or conspiracy theory that's being used as a slam against their favorite establishment presidential candidate.

[redstateblues]

28. Scary third wayers secretly running the government

Surely they are connected to the illuminati

[Dragonfli]

33. New Democrats, The DLC and the Third Way

[font size ="1"]President Bill Clinton with Al From, president of the Democratic Leadership Council, at a conference in 2000.[/font size]

New Democrats, in the politics of the United States, are an ideologically centrist faction within the Democratic Party that emerged after the victory of Republican George H. W. Bush in the 1988 presidential election. They are identified with centrist social/cultural/pluralist positions and neoliberal fiscal values. They are represented by organizations such as the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), the New Democrat Network, and the Senate and House New Democrat Coalitions

After the landslide electoral losses to Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, a group of prominent Democrats began to believe their party was in need of a radical shift in economic policy and ideas of governance. The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) was founded in 1985 by Al From and a group of like-minded politicians and strategists. They advocated a political "Third Way" as a method to achieve the electoral successes of Reaganism by adopting similar economic policies (Reagan Democrats and Moderate Republicans would provide burgeoning new constituencies after adding these new economic policies and politicians to our tent they contended) While hoping to retain, woman, minorities and other social issues allies with long ties to the party. Such would be their new Democratic coalition forged between fiscal right and social left under the "New" Democratic banner. The DLC disbanded in 2011 during an apparent re-branding of the New Democrat movement when money ties to the Koch bros. and Koch representatives placed on the DLC's board embarrassingly became common knowledge among the Democratic left. The DLC is survived by the Third Way, The New Democrat Coalition, and Al From's Progressive Policy Institute among other corporate funded groups that continue to sell their Economic-Right/Social-Left brand of "Centrism" to America.



The term Third Way refers to various political positions which try to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of right-wing economic and left-wing social policies.

Third Way was created as a serious re-evaluation of political policies within various center-right progressive movements in response to international doubt regarding the economic viability of the state; economic interventionist policies that had previously been popularized by Keynesianism and contrasted with the corresponding rise of popularity for neo liberalism and the New Right. In a sense, 80s Moderate Republicans are almost identical to "Third Way" Democrats.

I strongly believe it's time for a serious re-evaluation of political policies within various center-left progressive movements in response to international doubt regarding the economic viability of the neoliberal corporate policies previously popularized by Reagan and Thatcher! For thirty years we have all but abandoned liberal solutions to economic problems, chasing instead the snake oil of supply side economics, austerity and neoliberal trade policy. These right wing policies have failed miserably, and rather than learn from the New Democrats failed experiments, the center-right faction of the democratic party has chosen instead to double down on failure with more free trade and austerity measures (to include cuts to Social Security).....

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19. I nominate ..............................

Mike Papantonio for Attorney General of the United States




Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie

[cantbeserious]

20. Excellent Choice - This One Seconds That Nomination

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[turbinetree]

22. The house and the banks and anyone else...........................

committing corruption would be held accountable, no doubt about this.
I can just see and imagine the present U.S. Judicial Senate committee asking him questions during the confirmation process

http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/about/members


----------it would be absolutely amazing---------what would they do-------------besides trying to discredit him


Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[RandySF]

26. The DLC doesn't exist anymore.

[redstateblues]

27. Good straw man

Helps to have one to be a victim

[Dragonfli]

34. They re-branded when their ties to the Koch Bros. became too well known

Their new Democrat Movement (they use the term Democrat rather than Democratic, I am not imposing it on them) and members remain scattered among ThirdWay, New Democrat coalition, PPI, and several Orgs run by Peter G Peterson Foundation, etc, etc.....

The exist re-branded but fully involved.

[Kablooie]

29. inequality is not the biggest problem we face

“But inequality is not the biggest problem we face: it is symptomatic of the biggest problem we face, which is slow growth.”
Progressive Policy Institute president and founder Will Marshall.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/08/new-democrats-sound-alarm-over-sanders-clinton-leftward-march

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That in a nutshell is the third way mentality.
People's lives are not an issue. Increasing the success of the top 1% is the only thing we should be concerned about. (because the richer the 1% is the more imaginary trickle down everyone else gets.)

[Duckfan]

36. When I hear people say they are excited about Bernie's campaign,

It is my hope that they put their money where their mouth is and show up to vote in Iowa and New Hampshire. People in Iowa (from what I've heard), are the more down to earth types. But they want honesty. They want clear logical solutions to issues that affect them. So from what I've seen so far during the past several weeks, Bernie offers that down-to-earth tell-it-like-it-is approach for Iowa voters.

If that is what Iowa voters are like, I keep the faith that Bernie will win the Iowa Caucuses. He has to. People have to wake from this same long dream they've been in for the last 30 years. Then I hope it will lead to an awakening of voters in South Carolina who see who the real candidate is in this election.

[jaxx]

41. Nope

The DLC no longer exists.

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42. The Name Changed - The Intent Did Not - See The Third Way

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