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GoLeft TV

(3,910 posts)
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:07 PM Dec 2015

Why is the Democratic Party Trying to Bury Their Debates?



We already have corporate news media everywhere ignoring Bernie and instead covering trump and the rest of the GOP buffoons, but now his own party is trying to hide him away?

It is time that the Democratic Party remembers that this race is not over yet, and that what they may think is hurting Bernie is really hurting the party as a whole. It's just not good politics.


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Why is the Democratic Party Trying to Bury Their Debates? (Original Post) GoLeft TV Dec 2015 OP
Ya know, it's not all about Bernie... TreasonousBastard Dec 2015 #1
Right! THANKS, Treasonous! elleng Dec 2015 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #30
"Democracy comes in second to winning"???? Wilms Dec 2015 #7
I didn't say I like it that way... TreasonousBastard Dec 2015 #25
And then we have this ....................................... turbinetree Dec 2015 #3
The VERY SIGHT of Debbie makes me ill Plucketeer Dec 2015 #5
If she were a real Marty McGraw Dec 2015 #8
It's easier to frame Hillary as the winner if there are no clips available Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #4
I am a proud and devoted Democrat liberalnarb Dec 2015 #6
Democrats are running? I thought it was just Trump via MSNBC zebonaut Dec 2015 #9
We already know why. Fearless Dec 2015 #10
Because the Hillary Campaign learned a hard lesson in 2008: bvar22 Dec 2015 #11
I heard this EXACT comment on a rightwing board to day by a teapartier. weird randys1 Dec 2015 #27
An example of why the Democratic Party is headed for big problems post 2016. jalan48 Dec 2015 #12
especially given the constant deck-stacking and threatening of anyone who doesn't go along MisterP Dec 2015 #18
Maybe their plan is to get her elected then fold the tent and let the Republicans run the show. jalan48 Dec 2015 #21
the party is certainly seen as a mere vehicle for power by pols--but the DNC has reached MisterP Dec 2015 #24
You Know Why - unless you are in complete denial Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #13
The Entrenched Tired Establishment at the DNC... SoapBox Dec 2015 #14
How do you bury something that is posted to the internets... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #15
I think it STINKS what the DNC is doing with the debates. But I also just read on THIS thread randys1 Dec 2015 #28
Because... Name recognition is the only thing Hillary has going against Bernie! Helen Borg Dec 2015 #16
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #17
When I googled what time is the debate today, most articles were from the previous debate-- snot Dec 2015 #19
so that supporters of this garbage can come up with less than creative ways stupidicus Dec 2015 #20
Excellent description of the problem cprise Dec 2015 #22
Because the more they cover us iandhr Dec 2015 #23
Conspiracy theories are fun Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2015 #26
Saturday night the week before Christmas? DWS isn't an idiot. She did this on purpose. think Dec 2015 #29
Eff the Dem "leadership!" liam_laddie Dec 2015 #31
Technically, Bernie's Not Really a Democrat. He's an Independent. panfluteman Dec 2015 #32
K & R ctsnowman Dec 2015 #33
We know why they are doing it. If they don't do it, they lose. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #34
Wasserman Shultz told a Vice Chair of the DNC not to come to the October Debate nationalize the fed Dec 2015 #35

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. Ya know, it's not all about Bernie...
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:13 PM
Dec 2015

there's this third guy running who gets no respect at all.

Now, if I was running the party doings and I saw one person who had almost all of the superdelegates lined up and looked at the other side as off the rails, why would I want to mess things up on our side?

Democracy comes in second to winning.

Response to elleng (Reply #2)

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
7. "Democracy comes in second to winning"????
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:54 PM
Dec 2015

That's what people who rig elections say.

You, TB, know better than that!

turbinetree

(24,701 posts)
3. And then we have this .......................................
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:18 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-10/debbie-wasserman-schultz-we-re-having-six-debates-period-

So for having a debate on a Saturday right before a major holiday------------is not only disingenuous but hypocritical , she was given the opportunity to increase the deabte, and this party is getting the its clocks cleaned when it comes to getting a message out there--------------------










Honk--------------------------for a political revolution it is about getting a progressive U.S. Supreme Court and the Congress



Bernie

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
5. The VERY SIGHT of Debbie makes me ill
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:36 PM
Dec 2015

When I see her and anticipate her delivering some of her famously dismissive verbal discharge, I feel an involuntary vomit coming on. There could not BE a more self-absorbed mistake of a pilot at the helm than DWS.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
6. I am a proud and devoted Democrat
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:39 PM
Dec 2015

But by that I mean that I am devoted to the progressive FDR principles that used to govern the Democratic Party. Corporatism is completely contrary to our platform. Vote Bernie.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
11. Because the Hillary Campaign learned a hard lesson in 2008:
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:18 PM
Dec 2015

The more Hillary is exposed to The Public, the less they like her.
Hiding Hillary until after the Primary is a good strategy with a candidate that few like or trust.

Good for Hillary and HER campaign,
but BAD for America, BAD for Working People, BAD for The Poor, BAD for the Americans who want to end these stupid WARS, BAD for Americans that want economic justice, BAD for people who believe WAR CRIMINALS belong in jail, and BAD for old time FDR Democrats who are disgusted by the Democratic Party morphing into the Republican Party of the 80s.

jalan48

(13,865 posts)
12. An example of why the Democratic Party is headed for big problems post 2016.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:18 PM
Dec 2015

Even if Hillary wins does the Democratic establishment think that millions of Progressives are just going to go away? If she does win she's in for a bumpy ride.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
18. especially given the constant deck-stacking and threatening of anyone who doesn't go along
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:53 PM
Dec 2015

it's just begging for a backlash and even Clintonistas are saying this is leaving a very bad taste--all this effort and political capital burned to make sure everyone can keep on pretending there's no primary campaign at all

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
24. the party is certainly seen as a mere vehicle for power by pols--but the DNC has reached
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:11 PM
Dec 2015

Nixon-levels of power and enough voters and footsoldiers used to holding their nose and pulling the lever every 2 years, for all that they grouse online (case in point, Rahm Emanuel)

they have no reason to change unless forced to, especially with Trump bounding in and setting torch to the RNC's well-managed "money primary": Saban doesn't want to end up like Adelson, dumping millions on candidates only to have them defeated by some new new rich paying his own way

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
13. You Know Why - unless you are in complete denial
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:20 PM
Dec 2015

or just plain stupid.

The DNC is running a corrupt and rigged game. It's the only way the right wing (even the right wing of the democratic party) can win.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
14. The Entrenched Tired Establishment at the DNC...
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:20 PM
Dec 2015

Want to hide her away, so that there is as little exposure as possible.

The more Americans see and hear of her, the more angry it makes them.

And gawd forbid that people hear Bernie's common sense and mainstream message...gotta keep that hidden too! A lump of coal for DWS!

But, the Berners and Sanderstorm cannot be shut down...it's growing and growing and growing.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. How do you bury something that is posted to the internets...
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:27 PM
Dec 2015

Within minutes of real time ... and can be watched at the viewer's pleasure and convenience?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
28. I think it STINKS what the DNC is doing with the debates. But I also just read on THIS thread
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:31 PM
Dec 2015

a rightwing talking point that shouldnt be allowed on DU, an attack of Hillary, so I dont know what to do.

What is an ACTUAL liberal Democrat to do, where to go?

snot

(10,529 posts)
19. When I googled what time is the debate today, most articles were from the previous debate--
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:54 PM
Dec 2015

where's the coverage for the debate that's 2 days away???

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
20. so that supporters of this garbage can come up with less than creative ways
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:55 PM
Dec 2015

of justifying it, and identifying themselsves as supporters of it in the process?

Those type are largely Hillary supporters, who'd prefer she be entirely unopposed and primed for coronation by now.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
23. Because the more they cover us
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:06 PM
Dec 2015

The less they cover the GOP. When the GOP candidates get on stage it shows that not one of them is fit to be the commander in chief.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
26. Conspiracy theories are fun
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:27 PM
Dec 2015

but is there actual evidence that they are "burying" the debates? If Bernie is so great and wonderful, he should be able to win IN SPITE OF having thousands of debates, shouldn't he? There are only 3 candidates left in the Democratic primary with only two of them being actual contenders in the race. There is just no comparing the much milder Democratic Primary to the Republican one- with all of the crazies trying to out-crazy one another, which, unfortunately, tends to attract lots more media attention.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
29. Saturday night the week before Christmas? DWS isn't an idiot. She did this on purpose.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:37 PM
Dec 2015

Between Christmas parties and people watching the ball games this debate will suck for viewership.

Sometimes the obvious answer is what it is and not a conspiracy theory....

liam_laddie

(1,321 posts)
31. Eff the Dem "leadership!"
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 08:01 PM
Dec 2015

The D ruling clique just doesn't want an independent, principled, sensible Democratic candidate,
who prefers to be an honest "socialist," and who recognizes that it's really NOT a dirty word.
Deliver us from Debbie W. Schultz and her puppeteers. Sorry, Hill...but you ain't the "it" girl.
I say "GO BERNIE!"...but let's take another look at your unqualified support of Israel.
Deliver us from all the Ridiots behind those ridiculous debates, and poor Jeb!'s embarrassments.
And jaysus, limit the campaign period to no more than three months! AND overturn Citizens United!
And repair the gerrymandering which has so distorted the Congress. Make the Scalia-Thomas tag
team just go away. These are my Christmas wishes.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
32. Technically, Bernie's Not Really a Democrat. He's an Independent.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 08:24 PM
Dec 2015

Maybe that explains why DWS is trying to bury the debates - to shut this outsider out of the game. But ironically, Bernie speaks right to the traditional heart and soul of the party. Ironic that an independent and outsider such as Bernie should be so close to the traditional heart and soul of the Democratic party, the FDR progressives, instead of these corporatist usurpers like the Clintonistas.

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