What Mormons Really Believe (?)

[PatSeg]

I really don't know how much of this Mormons really believe. It certainly is bizarre, but that is true of many religions.

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[aint_no_life_nowhere]

1. I don't really care about a candidate's religion unless their agenda is to advance its

principles while in office. I really don't care whether Romney believes that Jesus was a space alien from the planet Kolob. But if his belief turns off the evangelical nuts and they don't vote for him then I'm all for introducing religion into the conversation. Too much is at stake to not take every advantage. If the way he wears his tie costs him the election with the nuts on the right then I'm all for discussing his choice in ties.

[Ian David]

4. Romney tried to ban state coverage of psychiatric meds as governor of Massachusetts.

Why?

Because Mormons believe mental illness is a curse from god.

So yeah, this stuff is important.

[PatSeg]

9. Seriously?

That is really scary.

[Ian David]

12. Seriously. He tried and failed to cut psychiatric drug coverage from MassHealth. n/t

[bjobotts]

41. It truly is a cult.

To justify their ambitions...and their greed. No other cult is this non sensical and pathetic. Seriously delusional people in their beliefs.

[PatSeg]

42. I've been around delusional people many times

but they weren't involved in politics on a national level. I have to believe that their greed overrides any spiritual beliefs. None of their mythical stories are as scary as their political ambitions. Mitt has already shown that he will do or say anything to win.

[PatSeg]

7. So I'm wondering

if the evangelicals are hypocritical enough to vote for Romney because he is the "Not-Obama" candidate even though they would find his religion more sacrilegious than Obama's policies. I think many of them wear their religion when it suits their preferences.

[Merlot]

32. mormons in Utah funded prop 8 in California

that's the anti-gay marriage initiative they placed on the ballot with all their OUT of STATE money.

mormons are just like evangelicals and christians and all the others religions. They want to force their morality on everyone else.

[zbdent]

2. I often hear Catholics pointing out that, "even though it's legal, it's not moral" ...

usually on Abortion.

So, if something is "legal", but, according to your religion is not "moral" ... what happens when you're tested on your faith?

You know, like racism ... (the dark/black man is evil) ... or "the definition of marriage is one man and one or more women" ... you know, that Mitt's grandpa decided he loved more than his country ...

[siligut]

3. I look at Mormonism as organized crime

I know all religions have interesting histories, but The Book Of Mormon has been proven to be full of errors. Mormonism meets the definition of a cult and there are plenty of ex-Mormons who will attest to this.

[The1gentile]

48. I too look at mormonism as organized crime.

I, too, have had some first hand experience seeing them commit murder with no chance of being apprehended by their cronies. How do they achieve this without more public knowledge, you might ask? One of them said to me "If anyone had anything on paper to tie them to organized crime- they would be dead before it could reach the light of day." Their words.

[Indpndnt]

49. Murder?

[siligut]

50. The pursuit of money and power, that is their life.

I took Mitt's mention of quiet rooms to reference this business.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Most religions have some pretty weird beliefs.

Traditional Christians believe, more or less, that God sent his son, who was actually himself, to become human and die in order that he (God) would give eternal life to the people who believed Jesus was God. That's kind of weird, not to mention illogical. But I have to say, the Mormons out-weird traditional Christians any day. And if this is what the Mormons believe I can understand why traditional Christians don't think they really are Christians at all - I guess your average Catholic, Lutheran or Baptist might classify many Mormon beliefs as not just weird but downright heretical.

I think it's more like Scientology - a goofy mixture of theology and science fiction.

[90-percent]

6. I'm at a loss

I have no clue if this is well done satire or really is what Mormon's Religion tells them to believe?

It's creepy on a gazillion levels if it's true.

-90% Jimmy

[gejohnston]

13. I first watched it in Primary

Back about 1968-1970. Primary is kind of like Sunday school, but on a weekdays IIRC. Mom was Methodist and Dad was Mormon.

[AtheistCrusader]

22. At least some of this is accurate.

The Mormons apparently got a memo from god in 1978, that black people aren't actually the damned, but yeah, it's at least partially accurate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_early_Mormonism

[patrice]

8. Aren't they an economic cartel?

[PatSeg]

11. I've gotten the impression

that they might be an economic/political cartel.

[happerbolic]

34. Not only were they hovering around Howard Hughes...

...near the dawning moments of his (not so mentally sound) existence to sap as much of the money & Las Vegas casino holdings as they could, but also had no problem peddling the 'demon' alcohol & coca-cola at these establishments as well.

I worked a job in Reno for a short time in the early 90's (if anything representative of a dry run of a 'right to work' idealism was in play at the time - Reno was the place). Most jobs barely scratched above minumum), merchandising store shelves with coca-cola products for an outfit run by Mormons. They controlled a good 6% of coca cola holdings and had a good chunk of the China market at the time as well.

[PatSeg]

39. I didn't know that

They are a really bizarre group of people, making money off the activities and products that they would never use. I've known some fundamentalist Christians who would never earn a living off of alcohol or gambling, at least not openly.

I sense that some Mormon business people feel so superior to the rest of us, that it doesn't matter if they make a profit off of our vices.

[gejohnston]

10. I remember watching this in Primary

Brewed a pot of coffee just to watch it again. Have to show it the the wife. Should I break out the Red Stripe or Ice House for the showing?

[Voice for Peace]

31. so is this accurate? what Mormons believe?

[gejohnston]

43. Yeah,

the ultimate heaven is having your own universe.

[immoderate]

14. Religions are pretty equally unbelievable.

--imm

[patrice]

16. Many of them bear resemblences to one another, so we might guess that they represent

something about human experience and how some of it is formulated and shared, perhaps sort of like the way Greek mythology can be regarded as a primitive way of explaining things like thunder or a tsunami or good luck or . . .

Perhaps the perceived threat of Mormonism is that though it is similar to mainstream Christianity it is also more different, so its enough like to be attractive, but also enough different to be dangerous.

[K8-EEE]

15. The thing about LDS, it has U.S.A. specific end times juju!

in which the LDS will rule the world from Missouri. I'm not making that up they really think that. Also they think they are in the "latter days" ie it will be happening soon.

Oh and there will be a shitload of destruction before all this transpires.

I'M SORRY THAT IS CREEPY THAT HE REALLY BELIEVES THAT......a "cafeteria Mormon," a term he uses disparagingly, is really the only kind I would vote for. I don't want one that is going to put the LDS and the President's "perfect revelations" above country!

[patrice]

19. Have been encountering some of that here around the Libertarians orbitting our occupy. The end times

stuff has to do with the coming reversal of Earth's magnetic poles and the New Madrid (amongst other) geologic fault(s).

[freshwest]

17. Sounds like a 1950's propaganda film or cheesy science fiction.

Whether it's a true representation of their view of reality or simply a film made by a competing religion, it seems suspect. Both groups would be arguing over things they can't prove.

No matter how he's labeled in the religiously, Romney is a predator and meglomaniac. He is unfit emotionally or philosophically (or morally, if one goes that route) to be POTUS.

Randian TeaBaggers don't need religion to want to impose a lot of sociopathic rubbish on us. I think Romney fits that model better.

[KansDem]

36. "Sounds like a 1950's propaganda film or cheesy science fiction."

Yeah, reminded me of this:

[freshwest]

38. Same theme music. Had to cut it off because of the song...

I looked on the youtube page and there was some booing and hissing. Then I found a Mormon's comments, who said she'd been in it for 35 years and had a great life in LDS. She gave a 'If you haven't tried it, don't knock it' reply without debating the merits or 'facts.'

The problem is that for them, you can't prove anything with science, etc. And Democrats are big into what is called 'objective reality,' a ldiscussion of 'facts' and 'truth.' But others have, I suppose, a 'consensus reality,' where they believe in a 'truth' handed down by others or popular where they live.

I don't know how criticism of anything or anyone would ever reach them. We truly are living parallel universes, in a way that can never really get along.

[TNLib]

18. Is that cartoon pretty true to their beliefs?

If so wouldn't the Indians be demons since they had dark skin? I'm just really confused now.

[PatSeg]

20. I was confused about the depiction

of native Americans. At one point, they appeared to be the lost tribe, but in the end they were portrayed more as evil. I'm trying to read about the religion, but there are many contradictions and the church today disavows a lot of earlier teachings.

[AtheistCrusader]

23. How convenient.

Imagine that, the nation moves on from actively shitting on black people under color of law, discrimination is on the decline, at least in the light of day, and lo and behold...

It's god on the phone. Wants to alter that whole 'cursed' thing for black people.

Fucking amazing how that happens.

[PatSeg]

25. Truly amazing!

God is evolving.

[gejohnston]

44. IIRC, from as a kid

I learned this stuff. IIRC, they are the lost tribe. Once I got old enough to not go, I found better things to do.

[PatSeg]

47. Thanks

The more I learn, the more confusing it is.

[underpants]

21. 3:51 the Nephite (sp?) soldier on the right gives a palms up WTF gesture

"Joseph Smith, known for his long tales,....." uh yeah

[Quixote1818]

24. I am thinking this was the first science fiction book ever published and a few people took it too

literally and then Joseph Smith realized he could get laid a lot by people who didn't know it was fiction. So he decided to run with it and never looked back.

[PatSeg]

26. "Ya know Joe, you tell some powerful good stories.

You should write a book."

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

27. Romney's favorite book is by the father a Scientology

L. Ron Hubbard's science fiction novel Battlefield Earth.

http://romneyresearch.wikispaces.com/

[TNLib]

29. I think Smith was just some loony sex addict with charisma

he made up some bullshit and people started to follow him.

[SoutherDem]

28. I a no more concerned about Romney being Mormon than any candidates religion

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I personally feel all religions are fairytales. My problem is when their beliefs force themselves into government. While Romney is trying to keep his religion out of the news (unless he is bragging about his good deeds) he is supporting all of the religious rights wacky beliefs.

To me this can be more dangerous than Bush's talking to god. Romney is a android doing what ever his programers want. If it happen to conflict with something he has said or done in the past he attempts to rewrite history.

[TNLib]

30. I agree and it isn't like Romney is a non practicing mormon. He was deemed a church leader.

So he really believes in this crap. Scary!

[90-percent]

33. Oh, I got it

Mormonism was created long ago by an L. Ron Hubbard type of science fiction writer of centuries past!

On a cocktail napkin at a party as a joke. Only way in my mind to make all these pieces fit.

Polygamy and racism and discrimination. Boy, this remarkably unfair, unjust and just plain selfish religion slots right in to Republicanism, don't it?

-90% Jimmy

[happerbolic]

35. sure as shit does

Someone should post this video up in freeperville and let some of the fundies stew

[KansDem]

37. I found this extremely confusing...

...and overly complicated.

[PatSeg]

40. I think most religions are designed to be

complicated and confusing, so the average person has to rely heavily on the knowledge of chosen elders, who probably have a direct link to god.

As for the contents of the video, I take some of it with a grain of salt, as I haven't been able verify a lot of it. The people who produced the video, are Christians who have gone after a lot of religions they find not "acceptable" to their beliefs. I found a website on them after I posted the video, but now I can't find it.

The best people to put this in perspective would be former Mormons who would actually know what was taught.

[greiner3]

45. Dude;

I remember having this same 'dream' during a particularly strong acid trip around 1974 or 1975.

I can't believe they actually put this to video. What happened? Did the powers that be actually scan my head? Good thing I wear metal based hats now. I can't imagine what would happen if THEY knew what I was thinking now!

[bitchkitty]

46. Like many religions' founders, Smith was a whackadoo. n/t

[SDjack]

51. This November, there will be voters for Mormon Bishop Rmoney,

and they would never consider voting for a Roman Catholic bishop (= cultist).

[PatSeg]

52. Good point

A lot of that is probably because they know so little about the religion and Romney's role as a bishop. I'm reading The Real Romney and I find his role in the church rather disturbing for a presidential candidate.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

53. Romney has been dragging along Mormons from Utah to his rallies to cheer for him.

Can't wait for all those hotel rooms and travel expenses to come out.

It would be something to analyze photos of his events from all over the nation and see how many "locals" turn out to be the same people over and over again.