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[liberalnarb]

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[chowder66]

1. She just means that it will be sooo bad.

Revolution will come instantly because of how awful it will be with Trump in office that the people will have to rise up based on his ineptitude.

At least that's what I took from it.

[liberalnarb]

2. Never looked at it that way.

Thanks.

[chervilant]

14. I agree.

And said so herein below.

[daleanime]

26. Amen....

[mjvpi]

35. Dialectic

Thesis encounters antithesis, resulting synthesis. Trump would create a stronger antithesis resulting in a faster, harder historical synthesis.

[Ed Suspicious]

42. Hegel?

Good call.

[zeemike]

36. That is how I heard it too.

And I think she is right.
The status quo is not working and change must come one way or the other.

[Duppers]

39. That was my immediate take.

Susan is not dumb.

The revolt against him and his narcissistic oligarchy would be more immediate. And not pretty.

[Chakab]

40. That's what people said about Bush in 2000. Look how much worse things

got and have never recovered. Look at all of the damage that his appointees to the Supreme Court have done.

I really don't like Clinton, but the notion that it would be better for Trump or any other Republican to beat her is pure lunacy.

[tomm2thumbs]

44. Yep and Chris Hayes knew what she meant as well as he responded in kind

[sammythecat]

49. Agree

No sane Bernie supporter, or Hillary supporter either, would ever consider Trump an acceptable second choice.

[notadmblnd]

3. She never said she was going to vote for Trump.

She also did not say that Trump will bring the revolution immediately. She said "some people think that Trump will bring the revolution immediately."

[liberalnarb]

5. When asked who she would vote for she said

"I don't know, I'm gonna see what happens."

[tomm2thumbs]

12. I think she believes Bernie has got this but doesn't want to boast

why would you fold in a card game before the hands have been fully dealt. If she had said otherwise, the headline would have been 'Big Bernie supporter Susan Sarandon will vote with Hillary'

She's more savvy than that

[Duppers]

41. Frickin Exactly!

Thanks.

[notadmblnd]

17. Yep, that doesn't sound anything like "I'm going to vote for Trump"

nt

[Eric J in MN]

37. +1 (NT)

NT

[PatrynXX]

4. anyone who believe Trump will be a radical will be rather delusional

he won't be. which is why ol Bill Clinton called ol Donald up saying hey you might threaten my wifes chances of winning. on DU can't really state this anymore but anywhere else, I ***** believe she is quite *****

[revbones]

6. So who exactly are you saying is considering voting for "Casino Mussolini" ? nt

[liberalnarb]

16. Many on DU have said they would vote for rump if it was him against Hillary.

[notadmblnd]

20. where?

please, point me in the direction by providing links to these potential Trump voters saying they will vote for Trump here at DU.

[tomm2thumbs]

31. I'd like to see that as well

[JDPriestly]

43. Who has said that? Please provide a link.

The question is absurd. Democrats are not going to vote for Trump.

I don't even think he will be the Republican candidate. I heard on KPFK from a Republican who was an interviewee that the Republican Party requires Trump to have 50.1% of the delegates to get the nomination. How is he going to do that?

Most of the Republican Party will not vote for him for dog-catcher. He does not have 50.1% of the delegates at this time, and it is unlikely that he ever will.

I don't think he will be the Republican candidate. He might run on an independent ticket of some sort. He is enough of an egomaniac to do that. We should not think that Trump is going to definitely by the candidate. They may have an open convention. I think they will either have an open convention or make deals to deprive Trump of the nomination.

[tomm2thumbs]

7. she clearly says 'SOME people feel Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately'

and I'd say that is true for at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the Republicans

[Vincardog]

8. Anybody from the pro HRC camp care to answer her concerns? TRADE? FRACKING? KISSINGER? WAR?

[liberalnarb]

10. By her you mean Sarandon, correct?

[Vincardog]

15. It is her in the video

[The River]

9. Try Listening to the Full Interview

for some context.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/29/1507640/-Extended-Susan-Sarandon-interview-Hear-her-words-in-context

[chervilant]

11. Wow.

I think you misunderstood what Sarandon is saying. I think she's saying that the people who both support Sanders and have asserted that they will not vote for Hi11ary will transition into full blown revolution if Trump is elected.

And, I think the Clinton camp knows that Hi11ary would fair poorly against Trump, if she "gets" the nomination.

(Oh, and I find it telling how much Hi11ary is trying to sound like Bernie. Good luck with that...)

[onehandle]

18. Tinfoil Naderite embarrasses candidate.

Sheesh. Bernie's supporters should disown her immediately.

[KelleyD]

19. Thank you for being so sane about this!

She is repeating right-wing propaganda. I used to like her but she is a Naderite which led to all of the disaster that is now coming to pass. She needs to back off or Bernie is going to reap the misinformation that she is spewing!

[Duppers]

45. You are misunderstanding her.

I'm sure of it.

[JDPriestly]

46. If she voted in California, her vote for Nader had no effect.

California voted for Gore -- resoundingly.

Gore won over 53% of the votes in California. The Nader votes, only 3.82% of the votes did not hurt Gore.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=6&year=2000

I voted for Gore, but I have to defend the right of those who voted for Nader to vote their consciences in California. Lieberman may have turned off a lot of Californians. I don't know because I voted for Gore.

[mcar]

21. A definite concern

Thanks!

[ErikJ]

22. She has some good points.

Hillary will do little to change the status quo which is corrupt as hell. Trump will upset the cart...... But maybe in the wrong way.

[Thespian2]

23. If the Revolution is again slowed

by the Dems nominating HRH, people will not allow the Revolution to die this time...Occupy showed the world that people can make a difference...even though the great leaders quashed it, they didn't kill it....The Revolution is alive and well, and I think, progressives will be fighting until the people get their country...This Revolution is not about Bernie...It is about creating a society that works for everyone...

[tomm2thumbs]

24. she was honest and that is amazingly refreshing

Her answers were straight forward. Especially when Chris Hayes kept making the weak assumption that Trump WILL be the GOP candidate. In fact, it is not likely. For her to even offer a sign she is planning to vote for Hillary in the long run would have been the headline-generator otherwise.

It made Chris Hayes look naive to push the idea that Hillary just might be one of those magical-secret-make-a-wish politicians who takes giant gobs of money from big corporate donors, won't release transcripts, deletes personal emails, avoids direct answers, but once they get in office, they go ahead and do the right thing (wink wink) -- this after years of examples of the contrary, including not supporting same-sex marriage, minimum wages, pushing bad trade deals, etc.

I'm glad a few people in the press somehow found her comments shocking, so now many more thousands of people will listen to that entire clip and find out the truth about Hillary and what she represents. Including wayward Trump supporters who will be looking for a candidate to support once the GOP throws him to the curb (sooner than later).

Win/win

[JDPriestly]

47. I agree. Trump will probably not be the nominee.

I thought Cruz would be the nominee then everyone seemed so certain it would be Trump, but I learned about the Republican rules for the convention and I do not think it will be Trump. I expect a Cruz/Kasich ticket unless some scandal throws one of them off the track.

Trump has to have 50.1% of the delegates going into the convention to win, I have heard. He cannot possibly get that. Of course maybe the saner of the Republicans would vote for him, but I don't really see that happening. I think he scares them as much as he scares us.

But Cruz scares me too. And Kasich??? I don't like him at all.

On the other hand, I really, really don't like Hillary at all either, so what to do?

Hillary will sign that TPP as soon as she can plausibly make her excuses, and I am completely opposed to that. She is also weak on fracking. I guess she likes earthquakes. And there is so much more. Campaign financing. Her inability to speak well in front of a crowd, and on and on and on.

[KelleyD]

25. She is so ignorant that she thinks that Trump would "bring on the Revolution"

Yeah after he
appoints a right winger to the Supreme Court. Who is going to suffer...not Miss 50 Million Dollar rebel. Good for you for standing to your "principles" Miss Thing. Everything will be reversed. The "Revolution " will do what...write scathing article on Democratic Underground. I am done with this Purity shit!

[Jack Rabbit]

32. Depends on what she means

I think it's quite possible Trump will bring on the revolution, perhaps even more quickly than Hillary will.

Are you going to join us or sit by while Trump puts more corporate-friendly votes on the SCOTUS and finds more ways to make our money upwardly mobile, from our pocketbooks into his?
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[basselope]

27. I know MANY Bernie supporters debating this very choice...

They support Bernie first. Second, they support burning down the establishment.

They are not choosing between Bernie and Trump. HOWEVER, they do want to make sure an anti-establishment candidate gets in.. which would lead them to Trump.

[TBF]

28. I think anyone who doesn't understand what she is saying

needs to look around this country a bit. Those of us who volunteered for Barack Obama in 2008 were able to quite effectively run him against Hillary (and he was a fairly inexperienced politician at that time). She's not likeable, folks don't trust her, and yes many will vote for Trump to avoid her. Many Bernie supporters will follow his lead and support her if she is the nominee, folks who are not in a swing state may protest with a green vote, but those numbers aren't going to be substantial. You've got to look at all the people who just aren't as engaged in politics on a daily basis. Yes, everyone knows her name. But that is not always a good thing.

Susan is trying to tell this clueless host that he needs to look outside of his own upper class and listen to what people are saying.

[Jarqui]

29. I agree. She did not say she would vote for Trump

She was speaking for others on the campaign trail

Transcript and post to explain that here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511605153#post65

[Palimpsestuous]

54. Saw the following comment on YouTube of this Sarandon video...

"Clinton should run as a republican, trump as an independent, and sanders as a democrat."

I think this about sums it up for me and a lot of other people. Your comment does too!

[TBF]

57. I definitely agree with that comment -

the elite in the beltway crowd is going to blow this one if they insist on running her. Middle America just isn't that into her.

[tomm2thumbs]

30. Hillary as a candidate in the General after her lackluster Primary performance says it all

“Hillary, I love her, but she’s not good at this. She’s not good at (campaigning). I mean, in 2008, she lost to a black man with a Muslim name. Now she’s losing to a 74-year-old Jewish Socialist. I mean, Hillary, we’re making this as easy as we can for you. But, you’re going to have to help a little."

[Nyan]

33. Oh no...I think you misunderstood. I took it in a totally different way.

She was responding to Chris Hayes talking about how improbable and "dangerous" the idea of big change is. She brought up Trump supporters as a way of contrasting them with Bernie supporters; that it's not dangerous at all to support Bernie hoping to bring big changes in a positive direction, when some Trump supporters believe in even more big, Leninist-type of changes (in a negative direction).
I don't doubt her progressive credentials, especially in this context because her criticism of Trump has been quite clear-headed in my opinion. I watched her being interviewed by TYT where she said something to the effect of "How long are they gonna blame Mexicans?"

[TrollBuster9090]

34. She felt the same way about Kim Jong Il! That's why they call it....ACTING!

[liberalnarb]

58. Kinda gives me a right wing propaganda feeling.

Saying the far left liberal supports Kim Jong Il? its a little fishy.

[retrowire]

38. Yeah, she didn't say to vote for Trump.

She means that if we don't get a political revolution with Bernie, and we get Trump, then you'll get a revolution that looked like the one in the streets of Chicago that night.

But with more fire and pitchforks.

[passiveporcupine]

48. Oh thank you Susan

A voice of fresh air. And proof that MSNBC has corrupted all it's voices.

[pugetres]

52. That was my take also.

And, when Trump wins because he was running against Clinton...

There will be an immediate revolution. Within the Dem party anyways.

[Kalidurga]

51. Casino Mussolini

Stealing that. The resemblance to Mussolini is uncanny.

I thought what she was saying is if Trump were elected that everyone would hate him so much they would be taking a real revolution to the streets.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

53. Especially since Trump is running for King.

[Helen Borg]

55. Perhaps she picks up that many people may be at the point...

where they feel that going on with the status quo is not better than a total shakeup of the system, even if it had to be Trump producing it. In fact, a shakeup of the system could lead to something better. The status quo is guaranteed to keep sucking people's life with no possibility of change.

[Bad Dog]

56. It's quite easy to call for revolution.

With a huge bank balance as insurance.

[polly7]

59. A revolution that would turn American politics on it's head - she's right, and it would be horrible.

As it would for the rest of the world. She realizes that many who don't see hope in status quo candidates will vote for Trump, just as many will vote for Sanders or another candidate.

She laughed at trying to be pushed into saying she'd vote for him, and later tweeted out for all those trying so hard to twist her words and intent that she'd never vote for Trump. Watching the video makes it perfectly clear what she stands for. That she believes the status quo is not maintainable equals somehow a 'gleeful vote for Trump!' is the same dirty tact used on Sanders and his supporters since he first started running. Changing the status quo is so terrifying for many they're desperate to deflect - that much is obvious.