The reason that Hillary is skittish about having a debate in New York.

[Uncle Joe]

[Kalidurga]

1. I think that is very likely the reason.

Of course it's a complete fabrication that she was ever 45% ahead in NY. It is very likely that Bernie has made some gains. I just don't think we will ever have an accurate picture from polls what those gains were and from what starting point.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511615519

[Uncle Joe]

2. Thanks for the link, Kalidurga.

[Kalidurga]

3. NP /nt

[Baobab]

31. New Yorkers are much better informed about FTA issues

they are more likely to realize that FTAs will force Americans to compete directly with the rest of the world's and the low wages of Asian countries on liberalization's "level playing field" which is inherently disadvantageous to Americans because of the high costs of educating and living here (which the same backroom deals refuse to budge on, by giving banks and corporations an entitlement to no adverse government regulations, forever.).

in other words, for natural persons, i.e. non-multinational corporations - who have no standing under FTAs except as parts of markets, to be bought and sold, things can only get worse under FTAs, never better.

[thereismore]

4. Her cackle: Stand up and clap all you want, peons!

[lastone]

10. she looks around the room with

with the most quizzical look on her face, like who the fuck do you think you people are. I bet she wishes she wasn't miked up on that one!

[thereismore]

58. She is holy in her eyes. But the look on her face: Who do you think you are?! You shall heel! nt

[Pauldg47]

59. I think she trying to figure what the next line of bullshit she can dish out....I can't stand her!!!

[Skittles]

68. DUers are increasingly sounding unhinged

[Pauldg47]

85. Yes....I did get carried away.

[bvar22]

66. That forced laugh is as phony as she is. The eyes tell the truth.

[Nitram]

97. Cackle = Witch

So unbecoming of you to make comparisons like that.

[TryLogic]

6. I am not getting the video. Could someone have blocked it?

[Uncle Joe]

9. I'm getting it, you might try clicking on it twice, perhaps your setup requires you go directly

to youtube.

[Half-Century Man]

29. U Tube and links to U tube videos have problems with Ghostery as of two days ago

You have to hit "trust the site" in the Ghostery options for the videos to play.

[bananas]

52. Thanks. nt

[Jennylynn]

7. I seriously doubt if he actually 'lost' any of the states/delegates

I mean, the guy won UTAH for cripes sake!

[Fuddnik]

17. Wow 78 posts in 15 years.

64 in the last week.

Bye.

[Jennylynn]

21. Childish Much?

This is something my 13 yr. old say? WTF is wrong with you!!??

[mac56]

42. Exactly right, JL.

[Land of Enchantment]

78. Adios, muchacha, you can join your friends on 'Ignore'. nt

[MisterP]

8. well since she'll bring up 9-11 with every other word that'll bring us to FP again

Iraq, the fact that she thinks Libya's still a terrific idea, a moderate modern democracy with just a few kinks left, why she stopped bragging about backing the 2009 Honduran coup in 20014

[Uncle Joe]

11. President Obama privately called Libya a "shit show."

I believe he regrets allowing Hillary to persuade him to intervene in that nation.

[dchill]

20. I'll bet he regrets a hell of a lot more than that.

[Uncle Joe]

23. Although he didn't know about it, I have no doubt the private server setup did him no favors.

[dchill]

28. In his final days in office, he may even have to...

Pardon his former SOS. I'm sure he's doing all he can to avoid that, of course.

[frylock]

63. Ah, cmon now! They're the best of besties!

Who cares if Mrs. Clinton engaged in direct insubordination to Obama's request that Blumenthal stay out of State business? They're buds! You think Obama gives a shit that she set up private, unsecured server because the NSA wouldn't let her have a Blackberry? Obama has a Blackberry, so I'm sure he's all cool with it.

[dchill]

64. Yeah, it's all water under the bridge, now.

[Scootaloo]

83. And she stabbed him on hte back regarding Syria and diplomacy with Iran, no less

Any fuckwit who tries to sell the idea that Clinton is Obama's third term is hoping you're as fucking dumb as they are.

[Nitram]

98. Would it never occur to you that the situation in Lybia was a great deal more complex...

... and unstable than the US and our intelligence services knew? No, it must have been pure stupidity or venality on Obama and Clinton's part. Really? I doubt Obama blames Clinton for the mess in Libya. The CIA et al are the ones who are supposed to know what's going on.

[Uncle Joe]

101. It was a mistake and Hillary pushed for it because that's her first instinct,

regime change or war, Henry Kissinger is her mentor.

It has nothing to do with democracy or protecting the people of other nations, if that had been a major concern she wouldn't have enabled the murderous and corrupt military coup in Honduras, which created such desperate conditions parents were sending their children across our border to escape.

Honduras is another "shit show."

[Nitram]

102. I disagree, Joe. Arm-chair generals and Monday morning quarterbacks always have 20-20 hindsight.

Honduras has absolutely no connection to Libya. The so-called Arab Spring was a complex and confusing phenomenon. However, the UN backed military protection for rebels in Libya. Entire cities could have been razed in Gaddafi's quest to maintain control. It was a tough call, but I think it was probably the right one. There was no perfect solution to what was moving toward potentially catastrophic put down of a rebellion in Libya. Syria has been just as difficult, but short of allowing the Assad regime to wipe out the Sunni population that was rebelling against his rule, I don't think there was a better approach than the one Obama has reluctantly taken. There are signs that IS is beginning to crack financially an militarily.

[Uncle Joe]

103. The advisers arguing against the intervention in Libya were using foresight, not hindsight,

Isis got a foothold there as a result.

The same held true with Iraq.

Honduras was different, in that case a democratically elected President was overthrown by the military, kicked out of his house only wearing pajamas, it was an obvious "military coup."

The rest of the world condemned it as such, but Hillary worked behind the scenes to enable it.

The result being, Honduras descended into chaos with corruption and violence rampant.

In all three cases, Iraq, Libya and Honduras, Hillary supported policies that in two cases helped to empower Isis while in the case of Honduras created extreme violence and oppression leading to a humanitarian crisis which in turn sent children risking their lives to flee across our border and Hillary's answer was to send them back.

In the case of Syria, Hillary was willing to risk an even wider war and U.S. involvement by proposing a "no fly zone" which would've brought us into direct conflict with Russia or cost our nation credibility with our allies by not enforcing it.

I'm convinced that Hillary's judgment is highly suspect and will only serve to destabilize the world whether using foresight or hindsight.

On top of that her hair trigger policies in regards to regime change or war, combined with Hillary's support of fracking for one will only exacerbate anthropological climate change, as the world's climate circumstances become ever more dire as a result, the prospects of nations fighting over dwindling resources and major war increase exponentially.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

12. And Hillary just cackles.

[LibDemAlways]

13. A person serious about being elected President of the U.S. should

never turn down a challenge to debate a worthy opponent in a close race. The voters in New York deserve an opportunity to hear from both candidates in a debate format about issues important to them.

[Uncle Joe]

15. I agree, it reflects a lack of intestinal fortitude and loss of faith in your own convictions,

Hillary is just trying to run out the clock.

[LibDemAlways]

22. It opens up an avenue for Bernie as he

campaigns in the state to ask voters the same question. Why won't Hillary agree to a NY debate? What is she afraid of? It's a strategy on the part of her campaign that could easily backfire.

[Nitram]

34. Run out the clock? More like, "avoid a waste of time."

Why waste time on a another debate when she doesn't need to? She's winning last time I looked.

[Uncle Joe]

36. If you consider the democratic process a "waste of time."

Winning is not the same as won.

[Nitram]

43. Hyperbole a little? The democratic process does not survive or fail depending on...

...exact the number of debates between candidates.

[Uncle Joe]

46. The democratic process relies on a well informed electorate and nothing serves that better

than debates, this has held true since the days of Lincoln and Douglas.

[Nitram]

51. If that's true, Unc, how many should they have at a minimum every primary? 50?

[Uncle Joe]

53. Certainly not the pitiful amount and poorly scheduled debates first ordained by Schultz's DNC. I

would think the citizens of the largest state yet to vote in the East would deserve one, don't you?

[Nitram]

55. They've got TV, I assume. Haven't there been 8 so far?

[passiveporcupine]

60. What are you afraid of?

I'm wondering why you seem to fear Bernie debating Hillary in NY...if you aren't afraid, why are you resisting the idea so strenuously?

Every debate they have teaches us a little more about each of them. And that is a good thing, regardless of who wins the primary. Debates are the only way anyone has of really fleshing out the candidates. Not everyone has time to catch every debate, nor might they even know when they are all on. The more debates they have, the more people have an opportunity to watch one.

I don't think there is anything hyperbolic about wanting or even thinking we need more debates. I don't think we ever have enough. Many people still never even see one. In the beginning, a lot of people probably don't bother to watch them. Later in the race, when things heat up, they may make more effort to do so. Normal people have to be coaxed to participate in the political process. I think too many people on DU forget that we represent a very small segment of the population that is following politics with a passion.

[Nitram]

61. Afraid? Skittish? I'd say it is Bernie supporters who are afraid he won't get enough exposure.

It is very hyperbolic about to suggest that democracy will fail if Clinton doesn't debate Bernie before NY. What are you afraid of?

[passiveporcupine]

62. I agree, we are worried about Bernie getting exposure

Because Clinton has always had name recognition, which was very obviously a problem in the beginning of the campaign, and still remains so today. Who wouldn't worry about that?

So of course, you wouldn't want him to get more recognition. I understand that fear. I personally think we both have a reason to worry about it.

But about your comment to Joe, that shows me you are pretty worried. You totally misconstrued what he said. He said debates are part of the democratic process, and you then converted that into "failure of the democratic process" if there is no debate.

No, not a total failure of the process...but yes, an opportunity lost for people to learn more, and that is something we should all be fighting for. I wonder how many votes Hillary would win if she did that debate? Hmmm...could be a good thing for her.

Again, you are the one who seems to be fighting this awfully hard.

[libdem4life]

75. Who said "democracy will fail" but you...hyperbole, indeed. n/t

[Nitram]

86. Wrong, 4life.

Uncle Joe wrote If you consider the democratic process a "waste of time." That clearly suggests that foregoing one debate is a threat to the democratic process.

[libdem4life]

89. It's a stretch and just a bit over the top. But, OK. n/t

[Uncle Joe]

90. When six mega-corporate media conglomerates control 90+% of everything the American People

see on television, hear on the radio or read in printed publications, debates; allowing the candidates to present their messages to the people unfiltered become a much more integral part of the democratic process.

That kind of monopoly propaganda power especially since the advent of one way, top down television and the condensation of news outlets has propelled debates to the forefront for a well functioning democracy to exist.

The vote isn't protected under such conditions, the national corporate media conglomerates have been deafeningly silent in regards to the massive voter suppression that took place in Arizona.

In a debate, Bernie or any other candidate could bring this critical issue/injustice up to the people in real time, the corporate media conglomerates have abrogated their responsibility toward a well informed electorate, so debates are all the more critical.

[Nitram]

93. Nicely put, Unc I see your point. From Bernie's point of view.

But if I were Clinton, I'd play it cool, exactly as she is. And I've seen plenty of unvarnished, unfiltered clips of Bernie on DU - you're victimhood is vastly over-stated.

[Uncle Joe]

99. Apparently you don't see my point,

"victimhood" has nothing to do with it insofar as Bernie is concerned, this is about the people having the best information to make a well informed decision.

I knew Hillary's point of view before I posted this OP, but I don't believe she is playing it "cool."

Greenpeace Response to HRC: She Conflates Greenpeace w/ Sanders Campaign

WASHINGTON - Following the release of a video showing Secretary Hillary Clinton losing her patience with Greenpeace activist Eva Resnick-Day, the Clinton campaign released a statement saying that the campaign “has not taken a dollar from oil and gas industry PACs or corporations. The simple fact is that the Sanders campaign is misleading voters with their attacks.”

In response to Secretary Clinton’s statement, Greenpeace Democracy Campaign Director Molly Dorozenski issued the following response:

“Secretary Clinton cannot ignore the voices of activists asking her to reject fossil fuel money, or explain away the more than one million dollars she takes from fossil fuel lobbyists. We would welcome a statement from Clinton saying that she plans to stop taking this money going forward to prove to young people like Eva that she’s listening to them, not her biggest donors.”

“Secretary Clinton is conflating Greenpeace with the Sanders campaign, but we are an independent organization, and our research team has assessed the contributions to all Presidential candidates. We have not and will not endorse candidates. Earlier this year, we asked both Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders to sign our pledge to #fixdemocracy, and while Sanders signed, Clinton did not. We intend to continue to challenge all candidates to listen to the people, not their biggest donors.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511624101

[Uncle Joe]

67. I assume you're speaking of the T.V. which is dominated by the six corporate media conglomerates

and requires vast sums of money to advertise on?

The same T.V. which blacked out Bernie for most all of last year, while at the same enabling/creating the Trump Monster?

The same national corporate media controlled T.V. which has totally gone silent in regards to the massive voter suppression which took place in Arizona?

None of the debates have been held in New York and we only got 8 after a major uproar from the people combined with Bernie pulling even or ahead in Iowa and New Hampshire, that's when Hillary and her pal Schultz became somewhat "enlightened."

The scheduling sucked as well, timed for when most people wouldn't be viewing them.

These would be the same corporate media conglomerates that directly benefit from Citizens United and unlimited sums of money pouring in from anywhere on the globe to corrupt our democratic process, I don't put much faith in them being honest brokers.

I believe the American People are much better served by head to head match-ups of the candidates in real time, this would especially hold true in a high media market such as New York and that's what Hillary is afraid of.

[Nitram]

94. Well, I don't watch TV. Never hooked it up.

Perhaps I should have said, "they have access to the internet." Bernie has been well-exposed on the internet, as have the numerous slanders on Clinton.

[Uncle Joe]

100. Well believe it or not millions if not tens in millions of Americans

still get their primary information from television for various reasons.

Television still has great propaganda power over the people although thanks to the Internet the times are changing.

While I have no doubt Hillary has her fair share of enemies, the majority of her wounds are self-inflicted.

[pangaia]

69. What convictions might those be, Uncle Joe?

[polly7]

70. Heh.

Uncle Joe always answers.

I wonder what's up with this?

[pangaia]

72. LOL LOL LOL LOL

I won't hold it against him if he doesn't.

[polly7]

80. I knew he'd get back to you.

[Uncle Joe]

81. I had to run out on an appointment.

[pangaia]

87. Whew !! I was getting worried..

[Uncle Joe]

88. :)

Peace to you, pangaia.

[Uncle Joe]

74. Touche pangaia! I knew upon posting, that I set myself up.

[stupidicus]

14. perhaps one amongst many

[SammyWinstonJack]

18. KnR

[SoapBox]

19. The last thing she wants is to be exposed in New York...

The Carpetbagger has flipped and flopped and shaped shifted SO much, that she knows she should not be in front of cameras, in such a venue...Camp Weathervane can't control the situation to their liking.

And about those Wall Street transcripts?

[Uncle Joe]

25. Regarding the Wall Street Transcripts.

[A Simple Game]

24. Perhaps if Hillary doesn't want to debate, as one DU member mentioned, Bernie should start

negotiations with Trump for a New York debate.

I think Hillary would notice.

Sorry I can't remember who the DU member was or I would give them credit.

[Uncle Joe]

27. I have no doubt Bernie would kick Republican ass uptown and downtown.

it would become a new hit show.

[saidsimplesimon]

32. Thank you for sharing the video.

It was great fun to watch. First time I've seen the clips of Laurel and Hardy and Groucho practicing their dance moves.

[TexasBushwhacker]

39. "Can't act. Slightly bald. Can dance a little.'

Casting director's notes on Fred Astaire's first screen test.

[libdem4life]

76. What a treat ! n/t

[Eric J in MN]

49. Donald Trump agreed to debate Bernie Sanders but then Trump changed his mind.

The Fox News town hall in which Bernie Sanders was on stage for the first half-hour and Hillary Clinton was on stage for the second half-hour was originally supposed to be a debate between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.

[Rebkeh]

26. Knr nt

[Duval]

30. K&R

Thanks, Uncle Joe. I'm certain she doesn't want a repeat of that ovation!

[Nitram]

33. Clinton is not "skittish" about having a debate in NY. She is winning by a...

...comfortable margin, and has nothing to gain by engaging in another debate. Simple really. Interesting, your use of the word "skittish", btw...

[Uncle Joe]

38. Yes, Hillary is and she's trying to run out the clock.

Interesting that you're splitting pubic hairs about the English Language trying to create every little division imaginable while ignoring the central point.

Debates aren't for the candidates, they're for the people and Hillary wants to deny this to the citizens of New York, because she is more concerned about her own political ambitions and fearful of potential loss than aiding a well informed electorate in making deliberations in regards to their choice for the highest office in the land.

[Nitram]

45. Gosh, Unc, you sure sound exercised with all your talk about pubic hairs and such.

There is no clock for her to run out. The candidate who is ahead has made a tactical decision not to engage in a debate before NY. This isn't a basketball game. It is politics. Btw, what "little divisions" were you imagining?

[Uncle Joe]

50. A self-serving "tactical decision" at the expense of a well informed electorate, what did you mean

by skittish being an "interesting choice of words?"

[yourout]

40. Don't be so sure....I have heard it has closed significantly.

If this was not a closed primary Hillary would be in trouble.

[Nitram]

48. She would only be in trouble if Bernie won the primary.

So would be to Bernie's advantage to get a majority in a closed primary. If it were not closed, Bernie would need a large majority to start catching up.

[Cryptoad]

35. Bern reassures his supporters of his only Attribute

"I am Not Hillary Clinton"

[fbc]

37. That's an insanely popular position.

[Cryptoad]

41. the problems lies in it being,,,

his only attribute !

[Uncle Joe]

47. The problem lies in you believing that this is Bernie's "only attribute." n/t

[immoderate]

56. Is Hillary that mono-dimensional?

--imm

[Nitram]

95. "Insane" being the operative word.

[Gore1FL]

54. I support his position on that subject. n/t

[LiberalLovinLug]

57. That's a good start

And its fascinating that what you get from it is something he never claimed. So you yourself realized that Bernie is NOT Clinton. Good spot! His position that the richest nation in the history of the world should be able to at least keep up with other democracies in regards to healthcare, education, and campaign finance, are truly NOT what the "no we can't" candidate is saying. Bravo.

[Scootaloo]

84. That sounds like projection, my friend

The only thing clinton has is "I'm not a Republican." And she's not real convincing about that.

[Nitram]

96. Don't you get tired of those old lies about Clinton being a Republican in Democrat's clothing?

Or is it just lack of information on your part? Or worse, the only way you can think of to support your candidate?

[colorado_ufo]

44. What's so funny, Madam Secretary? Just what, exactly, are you laughing at?

It feels to me to be very condescending toward her audience.

[TIME TO PANIC]

65. That cackle of hers at 1:23 doesn't do her any favors.

[Ino]

71. Followed by that sour expression...

you might have thought a bird had landed on Sander's podium

[Red Oak]

73. There is no way Hillary could stand up to that

She resents most of what he said and she represents most of what he said.

The choice of her would be too stark, too dramatic.

[whereisjustice]

77. Trickle-down Hillary finds the 1% quite acceptable. Just make your living stroking Wall Street

with speeches telling them how awesome they are.

[Time for change]

82. Very inspiring speech, thank you

[lasttrip]

91. thanks Uncle Joe

Peace.
LT

[Uncle Joe]

92. Peace to you, lasttrip.