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Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:13 PM Mar 2016

Kyle Kulinski: The Most Preposterous Argument For Hillary Clinton Yet

Next time somebody from Camp Weathervane makes a ridiculous Citizens United-like argument about there being no evidence that Mrs. Clinton is influenced by money she receives from crooked industries like banking or fossil fuels (or the employees of such industries, if that sophistry is brought up), just point them here. (URL: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017347968)

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Kyle Kulinski: The Most Preposterous Argument For Hillary Clinton Yet (Original Post) Jack Rabbit Mar 2016 OP
I like this guy cprise Mar 2016 #1
Sure...like porno. Oh the way women are portrayed is sexist. It's a fucking video game bjobotts Mar 2016 #4
Its not "a game". Its 95% of them. cprise Apr 2016 #7
Agree with you. bjo59 Apr 2016 #12
*sigh* Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #2
nice explanation. thank you. and I have 153 million reasons not to vote for Clinton. ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #8
Can't trust her. She sold out and is part of the millionaire club.Her rhetoric is for show bjobotts Mar 2016 #3
I just don't understand why she's attacking Bernie when Greenpeace has nothing to do with him. PatrynXX Apr 2016 #5
Excellent analysis! K&R 1,000x!!! Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #6
1 Democrat on the top 20 list of oil and gas $ recipients, Guess who Hawaiianlight Apr 2016 #9
She does the Third Way proud Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #10
Damn!! Look at the link, folks. ^^^ Duppers Apr 2016 #11

cprise

(8,445 posts)
1. I like this guy
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:40 PM
Mar 2016

But I do disagree about his videogames example of McFeminism. The way females are portrayed in games IS very important because games have become such a huge part of entertainment media.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
7. Its not "a game". Its 95% of them.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:10 AM
Apr 2016

If its an issue for traditional entertainment, its an issue for games. There's no exception for games, especially when they claim the right of artistic expression on the issue of violence. You can't be both "just a game" on the issue of sexism and highfalutin "artistic expression" on the issue of violence.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
12. Agree with you.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:40 AM
Apr 2016

I've stopped arguing about this, though, because for decades and decades it always boils down to a belief that cultural representations effect the ways in which people perceive and experience reality versus a belief that cultural representations have no effect on people's perceptions and behaviors at all. There's no convincing people who think fictional narratives don't effect people's realities that it is otherwise (and I obviously believe that it is otherwise!).

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
2. *sigh*
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:47 PM
Mar 2016

He was interesting enough until he dismissed sexism in the video game industry as trivial. Given that women in that industry have been threatened with rape, mutilation and death for DARING to criticize the plethora of misogyny found in video games, it is NOT an insignificant issue.

That said, the point too many people miss when they claim that you can't prove corruption in political donations, is that they concentrate on finding an obvious quid pro quo. Hey, here's a $5,000 donation, give me a government contract! Yes, that kind of corruption is hard to find because so little of it is done. The standard corruption is not for doing something, it is for doing nothing. Politicians are masters of creative inaction, looking like you are doing something, while doing nothing.

Say you have a new tax bill going forward at the state/local level that is very popular. Say that new law is going to cost my $20 million a year business an extra 1%. Well, 1% of $20 million is $200,000 a year, or $548 a day when passed. Well, every day that the bill is delayed lets me keep $548 in my pocket. Say there are 13 members on the Tax Committee and I want to donate $5,000 to five of them. How long do those 5 members have to delay that bill to pay back that $25,000 "investment"?

45 days.

Every day beyond 45 is money in my pocket.

How can such a bill be delayed? Oh, there are lots of ways, even for fairly popular bills. Referral to sub-committees, study committees, law committees and rules committees. Requests for budget office scoring. Procedural delays. Attaching controversial riders. Missed deadlines. Lost paperwork, etc, etc, etc.

In the end, three years go by, and the law is finally passed, and I have seen a $575,000 return on my $25,000 donation.

This works at all levels of government, you just scale up or down depending on who you are buying to not do something.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
5. I just don't understand why she's attacking Bernie when Greenpeace has nothing to do with him.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

She needs to get out of that poltiician bubble. I don't think Bernie lives in it. Greenpeace is well confrontational. albeit don't put them in the same room as Sea Shepherd. SS calls them a lobbying group now..

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
10. She does the Third Way proud
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:25 AM
Apr 2016

Since the lat seventies, the mission of the DLC/Third Way has been to make the old Democratic Party into a second Republican Party with Bill and Hillary as the vanguard/fifth column, you're right, the Republicans should be proud.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
11. Damn!! Look at the link, folks. ^^^
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:27 AM
Apr 2016

But it doesn't mean shit to her supporters. However, bet they screamed about all the rethugians taking the cash before the primaries.

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