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(13,297 posts)good on America -- some parts of it are still working properly
Chasstev365
(8,129 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)And had the protestors removed by security guards.
Chasstev365
(8,129 posts)Now Bernie is Trump: Pathetic!
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Bernie is definitely not Trump.
I just stated exactly what occurred, which was that Bernie ignored the issue the protestors raised and security guards removed them from the event.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)What are you communicating?
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Maybe it was security's decision. Either way, I'm willing to BET that the vast majority of folks had come and patiently waited to hear what BERNIE had to say. I doubt they came in hopes that a protest would disrupt Bernie's presentation. As I see it, these animal advocates could have held their little "display" until AFTER (or even before) Sander's speech. Of course, rudeness rules anymore. That's how caring sorts like the Donald manage to stay in the spotlight.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I should have written that they were removed by security rather than saying that Bernie had security remove them.
It is fair to say, though, that he did not interact with the protestors or attempt to speak about the issues they raised.
Perhaps just a sentence or two on the topic could have shown that he shares some of the concerns of those activists (who, when interviewed, said they were Bernie supporters).
He could have then continued on with his presentation and at least let the activists know that he acknowledges their issue.
SamKnause
(14,945 posts)I admire Bernie.
I respect Bernie.
I have a Bernie sign on my front door.
I have a Bernie sign on my truck window.
I love Bernie.
It would be one of the happiest days in my life to see him become president !!!!!!!!!
Having said all that.
I did not like the approach that Bernie used.
I would have admired and respected him even more, if he would have
listened to their short message, or addressed them and agreed to speak
with them after the rally.
I am most perturbed by the rally goers response.
I don't like the mob mentality tactics.
I will state that Bernie did handle it respectfully, but I wish he
would have made a different choice.
FEEL THE BERN
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Plus, the activists got to make their point. Win, win for everyone!
The whole thing was literally less then 30 seconds.
Bravo Bernie!
Maybe I am being too critical.
You and yours have a safe and wonderful weekend.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)There is a whole section on the subject on the "Feel the Bern" website so clearly there are supporters of his for whom this is an important issue.
http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-animal-welfare/
It might have been good to address the topic in response to the activists (who are themselves Bernie supporters).
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)if people want to know where he stands on this kind of issue. I'm sure he's dealt with it in his Vermont US Senate District. They are a very activist oriented kind of state.
And who knows? Perhaps he or a staff member will reach out to these young people for a meeting or something. Maybe also address the issue in a future speech...
ETA: Of course, he is a wee bit busy right now, so that needs to be a consideration.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Yet he discusses the issue extensively at every stump speech.
It couldn't hurt to include a sentence or two about animal welfare, especially in response to protestors who have tried to draw attention to the issue at several of his events recently.
When he was interrupted by activists from Black Lives Matter, he made a point of reaching out to them and then addressing the issues raised in future speeches. Perhaps he can do something similar with these activists?
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)But in any event, I take no issue with the fact that every singe issue is not necessarily a priority in his stump speeches. His overall theme of income inequality is an umbrella to the hundreds of issues that people care about. Including animal rights.
People can look these things up themselves to see where he stands on whatever their concerns may be.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)They were not happy with what they found - hence the protest.
These are progressives that are supporting Bernie and agree with him on many issues - but are not happy with him on this one.
Here's a quote from Matt Johnson, one of the activists who has been speaking out about this:
Source: Why Vegans Are Protesting Bernie Sanders Rallies
https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/why-these-vegans-are-protesting-bernie-sanders-rallies
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)I'm glad that Bernie at least tries-- instead of treating people's concerns with dismissive contempt.
I'm proud of him, and proud of this people-powered campaign.
Have a great day.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)A couple of election cycles ago you didn't hear anyone talking about trans rights. Now the folks on our side address that important issue.
Maybe it will take another few cycles before progressive candidates start talking about this.
I would encourage you to consider the impact on climate change, if nothing else:
http://ourworld.unu.edu/en/eating-less-meat-essential-to-curb-climate-change-says-report
swilton
(5,069 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Got more press and attention, w/o even a sign.
ConsiderThis_2016
(274 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The global livestock industry produces more greenhouse gas emissions than all cars, planes, trains and ships combined, but a worldwide survey by Ipsos MORI in the report finds twice as many people think transport is the bigger contributor to global warming.
Preventing catastrophic warming is dependent on tackling meat and dairy consumption, but the world is doing very little, said Rob Bailey, the reports lead author. A lot is being done on deforestation and transport, but there is a huge gap on the livestock sector. There is a deep reluctance to engage because of the received wisdom that it is not the place of governments or civil society to intrude into peoples lives and tell them what to eat.
The recent landmark report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found that dietary change can substantially lower emissions but there is no UN plan to achieve that.
http://ourworld.unu.edu/en/eating-less-meat-essential-to-curb-climate-change-says-report
Something to consider.
CTyankee
(68,476 posts)of it. Also chicken. We do occasionally eat meat, but not as much as fish and chicken. I have a favorite salmon recipe that we make almost every Friday night but of course we have lots of cod and flounder. We also like crab cakes and linguine with clam sauce, mmm...
swilton
(5,069 posts)
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