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Ted Cruz Is 'Honored' To Have The Support Of Colorado's Demon-Hunting, Anti-Gay Exorcist State Legislator Gordon Klingenschmitt
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Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)Trump believes only in himself, and money. Ted Cruz is a far right ideologue and a Dominionist who wants an America ruled by theocratic elites.
Also, Trump is more beatable in the general election. He's managed to make Cruz look like a sane alternative.
Trump negotiated an amazing deal with Cruz to make him look like the saner alternative so if Cruz gets the nomination, Trump gets something big. Cushy trade deal, or preferred trading status.
Just kidding, really. It might looks more likely if Cruz were leading, unless this "implosion" of the Trump campaign is him being finally too extreme to be electable next to "respectable" (hurk) Cruz.
Ugh. There just aren't any good choices on the GOP side.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)elljay
(1,178 posts)Trump is, well, Trump but he is not remotely an ideologue. I trhink Trump would have gladly run as a progressive Dem if he thought he would get better results. We would stand a chance of Trump doing a few good things if there were enough public pressure. Cruz, on the other hand, is a religious fanatic on a mission from God. A Cruz presidency would make us long for the good ol' Bush years.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Cruz may be brilliant, but actions like this should make him extremely beatable even though I hate having him this close to the presidency.
But how about Paul Ryan? Extremely extreme, and charming, and he'd also make us long for the good ol' Bush years.
elljay
(1,178 posts)with all the chambers loaded! Each of the Republican putative candidates is horrible. Ryan is owned by the Koch brothers, so would be an extreme libertarian with religious overtones, though maybe not as religiously motivated as Cruz. Ryan is an intellectual lightweight, but Bush got elected so.... Kasich is scary because he would beat Hillary if she were the candidate. He presents as a reasonable person despite being an extremist and will not have anywhere near the negatives of the other candidates. The Democratic Party is making a big mistake by focusing on Trump and Cruz; I'm not sure they're ready for the other possibilities.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)In spite of his pretences to moderation, it'd get hauled out. Along with the Kochs, Kasich has been with ALEC since its formation. He was right up over his hairline in the Lehman Bros corruption and collapse.
He also has a way of letting..."old fashioned" attitudes slip in public that would be setting off minority alarms big time, including a new, good one just recently
None of the black people I've ever known needed white people to help stop them killing their babies, and Kasich isn't talking about the effects of poverty here. He's talking black and white. And there are actions while governor, such as a discriminatory "partial" food stamp waiver for instance (partial as in no food stamps for counties with black populations). Minorities would shun him, of course, but this'd cost him with moderate white conservatives and independents too.
I could spend a lot of time on this and need to stop. The more you look into Kasich's background, the more dirt there is. Election tampering/voter suppression. Shift yet more of the tax burden onto working classes.
He's been cagey, separated himself from the Kochs, postured moderate, accepted the Medicaid extension, but if he isn't not-so-secretly with that extremist right-wing crowd that is scheming to make most federal government actions and programs declared unconstitutional, I'll eat my ballot.
elljay
(1,178 posts)but when you put it that way, AAaaaargh!! They're all HORRIBLE!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)tomorrow's to count for anything, but I'm so with you.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)They're just different flavors of evil.
Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)The question is whether he will be restrained by the establishment. I heard there's already been some talk by military leaders that they wouldn't follow crazy/illegal orders.
But Donald Trump will never be president, which is a big reason why I think he's less dangerous. I'm pulling for him to beat Cruz for the nomination, or failing that, running as an independent would pretty much guarantee a Dem victory.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)anyway.
No matter who is nominated on either side, I'm confident the WH will stay Blue.
Cruz has the charisma of a turd in a punch bowl. And trump has no fucking clue how anything works in the real world.
He's used to people telling him yes all the time.
2naSalit
(86,765 posts)when all of the repug candidates are actually extremely dangerous and they are actual candidates for president?
Glad me passport is still valid for a few more years.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)2naSalit
(86,765 posts)I wonder about that sometimes but most are privileged brats who never had chipping paint in their presence. Could it be genetics..?
yurbud
(39,405 posts)2naSalit
(86,765 posts)Yikes.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)getting too attached, and of course they don't see their parents much, so that's a recipe for creating a sociopath.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Or not enough.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Seems like a good fit, those two.
rurallib
(62,444 posts)Response to EarlG (Original post)
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Botany
(70,567 posts)The world might be better off if we had less religion.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
― Mahatma Gandhi
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Botany
(70,567 posts)Now give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
And it's good enough for me
3catwoman3
(24,031 posts)Thoroughly despicable if he is just playing to the crowd.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)If Klingenschmitt is a REAL exorcist, he needs to get busy cleansing the GOP of its many demons -- starting with Ted Cruz.
Initech
(100,099 posts)After all they both had that creepy religious vibe to them...
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Oh shit.....he isn't!!!!!
louis-t
(23,297 posts)Is there a prayer that asks God to "make them grow a brain"?
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Trump is an asshole, but Cruz is downright frightening. Cruz wants to start the end of the world so Jesus will return. Most of the 'religious right politicians' are religious just for show, this man really means it.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)the poor and unbelievers will be made to bring their money to the Merchant Church at the top of the Seven Mountains. Cruz has said numerous times that he will shut down the IRS as well as other government offices. He did shut the government down for several days a couple of years ago.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)But that's really unfair to real mullahs.
Quasimodem
(441 posts)... can be avoided by regular bathing.
es35
(132 posts)If all atheists started saying "God-myth" instead of "God" we might be able to finally change the obsession of our country with religion. This would force believers to have to prove what they are referring to day in and day out. They would have to present objective evidence for their god and for their claim that he gave them the right to rule over society or else continue to hear us say "God-myth" each and every time.
Let's see "One Nation Under God-Myth"
yeah, that sounds about right!!
tom_kelly
(962 posts)Why do people fall for this crappola?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)so he has to work especially hard to rid the world of those feelings..,
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)He is, after all, tanned, rested and ready, even if his official portrait left out the tanned part.
radhika
(1,008 posts)Let us pray.
Tyrs WolfDaemon
(2,289 posts)I guess he hasn't looked at himself in the mirror recently, either that or he has no reflection.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)Who does he appeal to other than the completely whacked out? Where's the middle ground in all of this? I just don't get it.
Chiyo-chichi
(3,585 posts)world wide wally
(21,754 posts)redruddyred
(1,615 posts)no wonder he needs a gay exorcist
47of74
(18,470 posts)He really is a vile piece of work that dishonored his uniform and all honorable chaplains past, present, and future.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)That's pretty much what he does on his show.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)and the Republicans will vanish.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Just RW bullshit. Even his exorcist is a fraud.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Blue Owl
(50,488 posts)n/t
marble falls
(57,157 posts)barbtries
(28,810 posts)i honestly believe he would be worse than trump