A HUGE March for Not Gore in America (2000) #NotHillary

[onehandle]

Huge crowds! Exact same celebrities yelling into microphones.

Feel The Retread!

[blackspade]

1. Deep mining into bullshit mountain as usual.

[Firebrand Gary]

2. This video footage is GOLD! K&R

Sander's needs to stop attacking Hillary if he intends on unifying the party, we've got huge issues to deal with and it would behove us to start unifying our party.

Bookmarking to show all of my Berner friends.

[zentrum]

5. HRC and her supporters...

…need to stop attacking new young Democrats, and older non-DLC, non-Neocon Democrats, if she intends to unify the Party.

But she doesn't. She wants the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party to be purged.

It's so foolish. Because it's sowing the seeds for a third party. But HRC will still have her place in history—and doesn't care about the Party very much anyway.

[May I remind you—Lieberman of all people was Gore's running mate. The party had morphed way right under their collective leadership. This internal upheaval since the late 90's has been brewing for a long time and is deserved. Let's not be politically/historically naive. It's not just about the millennials and HRC's barely hidden contempt for them.]

[liberal N proud]

26. The attacks came in the form of being called unqualified

Then spinning it as being the victim.

[Helen Borg]

20. Telling the truth is not attacking...

It is doing a public service. Spreading lies is the opposite.

[liberalnarb]

30. What will it prove to them?

Ralph Nader ran third party, Bernie is running as a Democrat. Its not the same thing.

[MidwestTech]

31. Shhhh they're on a roll...facts only get in the way

They ignore that Hillary went negative first
They ignore that Bernie's been very polite up until recently, dancing around Hillary's glaring issues
They ignore that PUMA ever happened (Ironic since most of the actually negative posters ARE PUMAs)
and... I'm not talking about the majority of Dems / Hillary supporters.. only the assholes... which thankfully there are few.

Finally... THEY are the ones usually, and constantly, bringing up sexism if anyone dares to suggest Hillary is not the best choice.
If literally nothing else, I don't like how the government will LITERALLY SHUT DOWN if she's elected.
The hatred for this person is so vile, poisonous, and vitriolic that they will do nothing but try to destroy her during her entire term. noting will get done.
if you think it's bad now.... this is just plain old racism towards Obama.
they have had 20+ Years to cultivate a unnatural HATRED for Hillary.





oh yeah and shes WAY too conservative on the issues for my taste.
I'll still vote for her if the she's nominee but i'll be holding my nose, like I did for Gore, like I did for Obama the second time.
I'm a good Democratic party member.
I'll vote party when its decided but I'll vote my conscience before then.

[liberalnarb]

34. I'm a loyal Democrat. The only time I would vote for anyone other then a Democrat is

if they are a Left-Independent who caucus with Democrats like Bernie. I'm offended when Hillary supporters assume all Bernie supporters are third party spoilers of some sort. They have exiled the Left from the party.

[MidwestTech]

44. Also he hasn't made a career out of bashing the Democratic party itself

only what any good american would do and bash some of it's questionable party policies.

again these are fine details that don't matter to the PUMAs

[retrowire]

3. i dont care.

Sorry. There are more important things to worry about rather than drawing false parallels.

Enjoy your white noise machines. You're not meant to know everything Hillary wants done for you. Enjoy.

[greenman3610]

4. "There's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush"

and we haven't learned a damn thing.

[leftofcool]

8. No, you can keep the indie party. Hillary is right for Democrats!

Bernie is not part of the Democrat Party and he can start his own.

[RoccoR5955]

21. Yes, Hillary is a Right Democrat

Right wing, right up there with the RepubliCONs.
In other words, she's a DINO!

[TransitJohn]

25. "Democrat Party"?

[liberalnarb]

28. +1

How did Bill O' sneak on here?

[liberalnarb]

27. The Democrat Party? Ha!

Is this Bill O'Reilly? Hillary is not right for the DemocratIC party. We are the party that helps the poor and working class. We stand up for what is right and fight for it. Bernie has been fighting for what is right since he was very young. I can't say the same for Hillary.

[dorkzilla]

32. Amen! nt

[Madmiddle]

7. Clinton needs to

drop out. It's the only way to save the Democratic party. She is causing too much damage to overcome with her lies.

[gordyfl]

10. If Al Gore would have "dropped out" Bush never would have made it to the White House.

Nader was admired, respected and liked by Democrats and Independents of all age groups. An American Icon.

Unfortunately for the Democratic Party, Nader was a true Independent. He refused to be a member of a political party.

Great video. I must save it.

[azurnoir]

9. Nader ran as an Independent Sanders is running as a Democrat

[thereismore]

12. how did I miss you? Bye.

[stonecutter357]

36. test

[Surya Gayatri]

13. The BS campaign consultants have obviously studied this document closely.

Mirror-image of their insurgent strategy.

But, screw the results in November. At least St. Bernardo will have had his moment in the sun.

[liberalnarb]

19. You're right. Screw the fact that Bernie is running as a Democrat.

Screw the issues! Who needs Healthcare? Hillary can win!! Even though poll after poll shows shes way less electable, vote for her because she can WIN!! College affordability PSHAW! Who needs it? Campaign Finance reform? Not a problem! Vote for the second best, Vote Hillary 2016!

[marcopolo63]

14. Apples to Oranges

Bernie is running as a Democrat! Nader never did. Bernie is winning primaries and hundreds of delegates. Nader never did. Bernie is now polling ahead of Clinton in national polls, and overwhelmingly beating all Republican candidates in head to head polls, while Clinton is not. Nader never out-polled Gore, let alone the Republican candidates.

So while some of the faces supporting Nader may be the same, and while Nader's message is very similar to Bernie's - there are key differences between the Nader v. Gore and Sanders v. Clinton races. First off - Nader never challenged the Democrats in the primaries. Bernie chose to run as a Democrat and is bringing new people to the party. Nader didn't and Clinton isn't! Bernie is raising millions through small, individual donations - while Nader was operating on a shoe-string budget and as stated in the video was funding future rallies from previous rally proceeds. Nader was holding rallies to create momentum, while Bernie's electoral momentum is creating more popularity and generating huge rallies of enormous size! The Sander's primary rally in NYC's Washington Square last week (27,000+ attendees) drew more people than Barack Obama's general election rally in September 2008 at the same location (20,000 attending)! Sander's is no Nader, and he is outpacing the popularity of the master campaigner himself - President Obama! Clinton's popularity and rally attendance just don't compare! Al Gore was able to draw large crowds in 2000, but Hillary just isn't capable of generating the modern campaign enthusiasm that I believe is critical to winning general elections! As the ultimate party insider, she is able to win primary and caucus votes - but over the long haul come November 2016, I have serious doubts that Hillary has what it takes to win it all!

Bernie truly has and is running a legitimate Democratic campaign, with broad-based support. Nader netted just under 3 million votes nationwide in the 2000 election. So far in the 2016 primary cycle Bernie has already received well over 3 million votes, and the NY, PA, CA and 17 other primaries have yet to occur. Granted Hillary has received more primary votes than Bernie, but to say Bernie is a Nader retread is flat-out WRONG! Bernie is positioned to eclipse Obama's electoral success. I'm not saying that if Hillary wins the Democratic nomination she loses the general election. But if Hillary is the Democratic nominee - the 2016 general election will be a lot closer in the final results than if Bernie is the candidate. I think Bernie will win the 2016 general by no less than 5%!! But with Hillary as the nominee - if nothing adverse comes out of the Panama Papers and she is able to withstand the barrage of negative ads that is sure to come - she wins it only by the slimmest of margins. Big ifs all around! I am sticking with the sure win - Bernie 2016!! But first we need to make sure HE wins the Democratic nomination!!

[Betty Karlson]

39. ^This ^

Would you mind turning this into an OP of its own, just so we can recommend it?

[Equinox Moon]

15. Thanks for the video, it is really good. I had not seen it.

Ralph Nader was great! He brought up important issues and shows how many progressives there are. I liked learning, "The Super Rally's were born" with Ralph Nader.

I appreciate leaders that speak their truth, raise important issues and activate people to be politically active. Very important! Terrific.

[liberalnarb]

18. The point of the OP was to bash Nader and Bernie.

[Equinox Moon]

22. Hmmm...

I liked seeing the video and found it positive and informative.

Throwing mud balls all depends on how it is perceived and received.

[gordyfl]

16. Campaign Finance Hasn't Changed Much Since 2000.

It was bad then. Worse now. Here's how much worse...

[liberalnarb]

17. Is this supposed to be a spoof on Bernie's marches?

Bernie isn't Ralph Nader. Hes running as a Democrat.

[Umbral18]

23. The implication should be obvious, the left aren't true Democrats!

Shut and get inline! Bow to the eventuality!

[RoccoR5955]

24. Yet another stinking pile

from Camp Weathervane.
I hope that they are as effective against the RepubliCONs when Bernie becomes our candidate!

[Thespian2]

29. Perhaps this video was meant to show Bernie supporters

that they have a snow-ball's chance in hell of winning the nomination...however, it actually resonates with Bernie supporters because we know the Revolution has been in place before Nader...and the Revolution is extremely strong...Bernie is the spokesman for the Revolution...We will not go away simply because the MIC and their paid slaves want us to...

[dorkzilla]

33. A swing and a miss!!!

These things never work out the way they're supposed to, amirite?

[MidwestTech]

35. One of the many problems with Nader was it was obvious he was a GoP tool

Simply put he had too much money.
There were too many well polished ads on tv and the radio
He never actually stood for anything! All he said was there was no difference between the parties while blatantly IGNORING a few very vital difference between the parties AND the candidates.

YES AL ran a crappy campaign. He didn't use his legacy as Vice President enough.
He didn't use Bill (Who was still super popular then) enough. In fact he ran AWAY from Bill Clinton.

Yes as a true liberal I understand that, but it was a stupid thing to do at the time.

Nader was a spoiler who was funded by the GoP and their subsidiaries, it was a brilliant ploy and obviously it worked.

Nader didn't steal an appreciable amount of votes from Gore directly.
What he did was disenchant enough moderates and independents so that they either didn't vote or weren't sure who to vote for.

The reasons why Gore lost the Election are legion, putting the out right theft from the Supremes aside.
It's also ancient history at this point.

2016 IS NOT 2000!

/rant

[stonecutter357]

37. K&R!

[Betty Karlson]

38. The 20th century is over. Quit whining like it's 1999! eom

[lore]

40. with the Democratic Party polling at 30% of the voters

they need to relook at where they are going and what they are backing.

If Bernie can win the nomination - or come very close - then he would be the best candidate since he is bringing in Independents, Greens, Republicans and newly registered voters. His message is uniting AMERICANS!

This is about the fact that the 'recovery' Pres Obama managed to make has not been felt by too many Americans.
They are losing assets, losing wages, losing full time jobs, working multiple jobs, and paying more for less on a daily basis.
When $10.10 is needed to cover the bare basics in the cheapest state, and $14.51 is considered enough to manage a small savings to cover a sick day to survive, $15 an hour is a reasonable minimum wage.

Tax cuts, credits, and subsidies do not lower prices or create investment - here!
Refusing to support manufacturing HERE is not a plan with a future. Once a nation goes below 17% manufacturing they lose standing -- although the Republicans and Trump are making people question US leadership in the world.
Trade Treaties that increase the trade deficit are not worth having. That is the net result of NAFTA, CAFTA, SHAFTA (TPP)!
Reaganomics made pensions changed to assets, so the leveraged buyouts can force debt on a corporation and make the corporations pay for being bought out! Dumping the buyers debt onto a corporation! That isn't sound business practice - that is gutting business and destroying it! The 'debt' ratio of business today is not sustainable.

Bernie wants to invest in America and Americans - and make jobs HERE with decent wages. Bernie's agenda is about supporting the 99% and doing what WE THE PEOPLE want. Not ignoring commonly supported interests of most Americans because the oligarchs need to fleece some more.

Independents are the biggest percentage of voters today. The Democratic Party needs to go back to supporting the 99% instead of the shrinking base they switched to that their legislation doesn't grow!

[Loki]

42. He's had such success in doing that single handedly hasn't he?

I'm surprised, I say surprised, on the quality and quantity of bills and legislation that he has accomplished in his, what, 30 years of public service. What a guy! I guess I should post the thingy. Oh and let the "Independents" form their own party instead of mooching off the Democrats. We'll see how far you get.

[d_legendary1]

41. ....

When the issues don't matter but party afilliation does, grab a handful of this to make it legit.

[Renew Deal]

43. Every one of those people in that video are guilty for the Iraq War, Citizens United, Alito, Roberts

Katrina response, Abu Graihb, and much more.

Every. Single. One.

[certainot]

45. the poster has a point and it's a good reminder but gore won and

then we let the rw propaganda operation work its magic on the msm and americans sat on their asses blaming nader instead of spending the next few months camped in the streets until every vote was counted and bush was evicted.

and as part of that election theft we let that propaganda operation led by 1200 radio stations convince the country that hanging chads were threatening democracy and we need to save money and secure democracy with electronic voting machines made by republicans and we need voter id laws in every state, etc.

[onehandle]

47. They wanted scorched earth.

Mission Accomplished.

[zalinda]

46. Every single person had the RIGHT to vote for who they wanted

To blame these people or Nader because Bush won is really, really stupid.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth

there are two other Florida constituencies that cost them more votes than Nader did. First, Democrats. Yes, Democrats! Nader only drew 24,000 Democrats to his cause, yet 308,000 Democrats voted for Bush.

Nader wasn't the real betrayal of Democrats. Democrats were. Nearly a third of million of them. And, if that isn't enough proof, check out the statement below.


And, if that isn't enough, read it from the DLC.

"Democratic party strategist and Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) chair Al From expressed a different view. In the January 24, 2001, issue[85] of the DLC's Blueprint magazine,[86] he wrote, "I think they're wrong on all counts. The assertion that Nader's marginal vote hurt Gore is not borne out by polling data. When exit pollers asked voters how they would have voted in a two-way race, Bush actually won by a point. That was better than he did with Nader in the race.""

It's time to put that myth aside.

Z