Bernie Sanders says contested convention is a certainty

[Bernie93]

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[greymouse]

1. who else won a contested convention

Another democratic socialist:

[silvershadow]

2. Eerie the absolute similarity these times we are in to those times. I hope it is prophetic as well.

If it is, we are in for some real progress, soon. Thanks for this!

[liberalnarb]

6. Ah, what a great thought to start the morning with.

Thanks guys.

[rpannier]

24. Kennedy in 1960

I believe won a contested election
It was only when Gov Pat Brown threw his support to Kennedy that the hand-writing was on the wall
Eleanor Roosevelt was supporting Stevenson as I recall
So it was no sure thing

[cantbeserious]

3. Bernie Is The Only Antidote For The Corrupt Nation Once Known As America

eom

[SmittynMo]

9. Amen

What amazes me is the ignorance of those that refuse to believe your statement. I find it so hard to believe that all these people are willing to keep our corrupt system. We finally have a person willing to fix it, and we as a nation ignore him. I don't get it, and never will.

[Dustlawyer]

28. Ditto!

[chwaliszewski]

38. Double ditto!

[SammyWinstonJack]

47. They're from the "I got mine, screw you" crowd. They picked the

best candidate to support that selfishness.

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. That's for sure.

[redstateblues]

54. He's just another politician making extravagant promises

That he knows he can never keep. He is an anger and envy merchant.

[SmittynMo]

57. Sorry, but I don't

believe this for a second. I've been Berned many times. It CAN be done!!!!

If Bernie don't make it this round, wait 4 years and see who they put up to represent this revolution. It's far from being over.

People want their democracy back and make this country a better place to live. It's pretty simple.

Don't let the corruption and greed confuse your mind.

[greymouse]

68. you really are clueless, redstateblues

[shakedown1970]

87. You obvious are oblivious to his whole career.

[Helen Borg]

4. For sure Bernie is not a quitter!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. Good for him... go Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[warrprayer]

5. K&R

Go Bernie!

[Victor_c3]

7. I'm so glad to hear that straight from his mouth

Bernie is not about to roll over and he isn't at all afraid of a fight in order to become our president.

Through various things I've read and various epiphanies I've had, A Bernie Sanders presidency is the real answer to our problems.

Trump has been able to rile up the white working class because the party on both sides seem to have abandoned them. Politicians like Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, or any other career lapdogs of the wealthy and wall street aren't looking out for them and they know it. These politicians are quick to implement things like welfare reform, NAFTA TPP, Obamacar, and grand deals to cut social security and they don't do shit for the working poor or the Middle Class.

Hillary Clinton and the mainstream democrats will continue to disenfranchise voters. Bernie Sanders and his crazy ideas that the government we citizens pay for should serve us and not the wealthy corporations that move money offshore to avoid taxes is the answer and is what the majority of Americans need. The Hillary Clinton supporters wrongfully believe she is on their side. Bernie, on the other hand, really is on our side and this is demonstrated by their lifelong political stances and accomplishments.

[maindawg]

8. It drives me crazy

The so called super delegates have yet to cast a single vote. The count stands at about 1700 for Hillary and about 1400 for Bernie. Hillary needs about 700 more to clinch the nomination ,she cannot get there. So the convention will be a contest. Bernie is much more popular among independent voters who make up about 42% of the electorate. He is the clear choice. If the corporate friendly DNC installs Hillary all hell is going to braek loose. As Elizabeth Warren declines the VP as will others it's going to be an embarrassment to the DNC when Hillary goes own in flames.

[TBF]

10. Bernie I am with you 100%

Perhaps because I live in Texas and see the "Hillary for Jail" bumper stickers everywhere I turn - these folks are not going to vote for her. Obviously Texas is still deep red and won't anyway, but don't underestimate how much of that feeling is held all across middle America (putting aside whether it's really fair - just as some press has championed her during the primary, others have been working very hard against her). She would get states on each coast - a smattering around California and New York. But you've got to get those swing states. That's where Bernie is strong because he can pull the Reagan Dems.

[Chico Man]

11. Bernie is running out of money

Apparently political revolutions are very expensive.

[MrMickeysMom]

12. Not even close...

I think you have him confused with some other candidate who's maxing out her coffers.

[Helen Borg]

13. Even worse... The other candidate

Had to get illegal money funneled from the DNC to stay afloat. That is how well the other candidate is doing.

[MrMickeysMom]

16. Good point, Helen...

Of course, they don't want to bring THAT up!

[Chico Man]

14. Bernie Sanders’s fundraising drops off sharply in April

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/01/bernie-sanderss-fundraising-drops-off-sharply-in-april/

"But Sanders has emerged as the biggest-spending candidate in the race, and his April total is not enough to maintain his pace of spending on television ads and other facets of the race."

[MrMickeysMom]

15. And, yet...

He has built enough by small donors who are REAL persons to last through the convention that WILL be quite a convention.

Looks like the money can be used well, when you don't have to dance to your corporate puppet masters.

[Chico Man]

18. It is being used to pay big money political consultants

And going straight to other big business Bernie supports love to hate (big media for ads).

Bernie has a good thing going.... for some.

[MrMickeysMom]

22. Thank you for weighing in with a baseless, inaccurate and bitter post...

I have a feeling you will continue. By all means, proceed.

By the way, has she decided to share those transcripts yet?

[Chico Man]

25. Read the article

Sanders is biggest spender of 2016 so far — generating millions for consultants

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-is-biggest-spender-of-2016-so-far--generating-millions-for-consultants/2016/04/28/600170ce-0cf2-11e6-a6b6-2e6de3695b0e_story.html?postshare=3511461866900260&tid=ss_tw

[zalinda]

32. And, I'm guessing her consultants are free? eom

[Chico Man]

34. We aren't talking about her

We are talking about him.

She is focusing on the GE; I'm not sure what Bernie is focusing on. I do know his paid consultants are making out on the lost cause.

[zalinda]

42. No, they are not.

Bernie wants everyone's vote to count, apparently Hillary doesn't feel the same way.

Z

[Chico Man]

45. She is winning the popular vote

By over 3 million votes

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Who doesn't what who's votes to count?

[OwlinAZ]

49. Please break

that 3 million down per state and political affiliation. I don't believe it.

[zalinda]

50. From what I understand, people who vote at a caucus

do not get their votes added into the vote count, so we REALLY don't know who is winning the popular vote. With a caucus we only get delegate count.

Z

[HeartoftheMidwest]

53. Interesting.

And three million in New York alone equals about the number of Independents in that state that couldn't vote in closed primaries? Bernie overwhelmingly gets the votes of Independents. Ms. Clinton needs those votes to win, but her backers just magically assume they'll all vote for her. Would be quite a blow if the majority don't. And all those youth votes, and crossover moderate Republicans who love Bernie....magically they'll vote for Ms. Clinton?? ( These are all votes that don't show up in your "votes cast" tallies. )

[Chico Man]

56. I don't get it

Learn the rules of your state voting system. Don't cry about it after the fact. And, if you want to change them, work to do so at the state and local level.

[HeartoftheMidwest]

74. Ooooooo. Perfect GOP talking points!!!

We hear that here in Wisconsin, too.
Granted, NY state has a right to make its own rules. But so many Independents would've registered as Dems, if the deadline hadn't been many months before. I can see wanting to exclude mischief makers who change registration in order to vote to mess up the oppositions slate of candidates. But for you to pretend that MILLIONS of people who would potentially, with the right candidate, vote Democratic in the fall don't exist....and then to alienate them by trying to force the Dem Establishment, pre-determined candidate down their throats, when they've STRONGLY indicated ( TENS of thousands of people at rallies ) who they would prefer...is a recipe for political suicide.

[Chico Man]

77. GOP talking points?

We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

My wife and I are registered as democrats so we can vote in the primary.

Is that such a difficult concept to understand?

If you don't like the rules in your state, work to change them, or move.

Temper tantrums and stomping your feet isn't going to result in much.

[HeartoftheMidwest]

78. Sorry, you're right, that was poorly worded.

GOP tactics seem to involve "exclusion" instead of "inclusion" of voters. But I'm not throwing a tantrum, just making observations.
But don't count the Superdelegates just yet; many committed to Ms. Clinton before there were any viable options in the race. To say that they must remain so committed is also.....undemocratic.

I have been a registered Dem all my life; voted Dem all my life. The party Ms. Clinton is running on behalf of is NOT the party I've belonged to for many, many decades.....it has morphed into something very ugly. If she were truly principled like that New Deal or FDR-style party, she WOULD be nearing her coronation....and I'd be carrying her train for her.

[Land of Enchantment]

79. How many disenfranchised so far? How many life long dems

found their affiliations switched or does that not matter?

[Petrushka]

58. What do you mean by "popular vote"?

If you check the definition of the word "popular" you'll find that it means
the general public; and the general public would include not only Democrats,
but Independents, Republicans, Greenies, etc. . Therefore, those 3 million
votes were cast only by her supporters during this primary season. Who
is winning the "popular vote" in the general election will be determined
in November.



Full Definition of popular

1
: of or relating to the general public

2
: suitable to the majority: as a : adapted to or indicative of the understanding and taste of the majority <a popular history of the war> b : suited to the means of the majority : inexpensive <sold at popular prices>

3
: frequently encountered or widely accepted <a popular theory>

4
: commonly liked or approved <a very popular girl>

popularly adverb


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/popular

[Chico Man]

60. Check the OP

Somehow the poster doesn't believe Hillary wants "every vote to count".

We have an election system with federal, state, and local rules. Super delegates fall into that system as well.

thanks for helping to prove my point.

[Petrushka]

70. If you say so.

[HeartoftheMidwest]

75. Exactly.

[MrMickeysMom]

81. I do believe you purposely DON'T want to talk about her fees...

HE has NO transcripts to share because HE'S NEVER given a speech to Wall Street, much less getting paid to speak to them.

Tried to side-step that, didn't you?

Still waiting...

[Chico Man]

86. She made money talking on Wall St

I don't really care.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Yes, still waiting on those transcripts from Hillary now that Bernie has shared all of his (zero).

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[Chico Man]

36. Love the rallying cry

transcripts! Transcripts!

Unfortunately it isn't going to change anything, and just comes across like a desperate attempt at changing the subject.

(I do admit it's killer Facebook meme material though)

[Land of Enchantment]

80. The ONLY reason to never release the transcripts is obvious

to everyone whether you want to admit it or not. Were you around for Watergate? The 20 minute lapse? The cover-up?

[MrMickeysMom]

82. So, you have a crystal ball as to how that doesn't change things?

You're so astute on following logic, follow the logic of being paid $250.00 for one Wall Street speech to Goldman Sachs. That is more money than Bernie Sander's tax records show him earning in one year.

Now, logic dictates that in order for a candidate to receive the kind of money ($250K) from Wall Street, Wall Street expects something from that speech in return.

The revelation of that information DOES change everything, and by ignoring the question, then changing the requirements of WHEN she'll reveal the contents of what she told Wall Street, it could not be any more clear of the damage in revealing those transcripts.

Now, if it isn't going to change anything, then what's the reason she keeps side-stepping the request. The answer is that she does not wish to disclose the transcripts. Is that supposed to show any sincerity of responding to the millions of Americans who want this?

[Chico Man]

85. I don't really care how pure you think Bernie is

It's not going to convince me nor the majority that he is better qualified for the job of President.

In fact, I'm pretty weirded out by the infatuation of the man.

If anything turned me off Bernie it is his most devout followers. Some crazy shit there.

[liberalnarb]

63. Thats what happens when your campaign is funded solely by the people with no big donors or PACs.

[Chico Man]

73. His political & media consultants are very expensive

When is enough enough? Why keep donating to a lost cause when the money is being funneled right back into the big businesses we are supposed to hate?

Someone saw "opportunity" written all over this "Political Revolution" and they are "Feeling the Bern" all the way to the bank.

[FailureToCommunicate]

17. Remember, it's not just about Bernie. It's his (our) message to the Party and voters. A contested

convention might at least keep the media occasionally mentioning parts of that.

[Chico Man]

19. It's about his fundraising dollars

Paying big ticket political consultants and big money media advertising companies for a lost cause.

[LadyHawkAZ]

21. And you would say exactly the same about Clinton, I'm sure? n/t

[Chico Man]

23. She is spending far less than Bernie Sanders

And her campaign is not a lost cause.

[LadyHawkAZ]

26. LOL!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html

[Chico Man]

37. ?

mind highlighting the relevant portions of the article?

[LadyHawkAZ]

43. yup

[Chico Man]

46. Bernie spent 11 million more dollars according to that chart

And once the latest numbers come in, it's not going to look any better.

[LadyHawkAZ]

48. Recheck your numbers WITH her superPAC spending

and get back to me.

[Chico Man]

40. Bernie Sanders is outraising, outspending and outadvertising Hillary Clinton’s campaign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/26/bernie-sanders-is-outraising-outspending-and-outadvertising-hillary-clintons-campaign/

[OwlinAZ]

51. How about the $1 million

"correct the record" is bragging about. You don't think there's much more dark money being spent on Hillary's account?

[Cryptoad]

20. Don't forget now,,,,,keep those $27 a rollin in,,,,,,,,

[masmdu]

27. Thanks...Just donated twice ($54). Once on your behalf and once from me.

Go Bernie!

[Cryptoad]

62. THX,,,

Like most real people living in poverty, I can't afford to donate $27.

[Betty Karlson]

35. There is a whole Biblical passage devoted to the widow's tuppence. Why deride it?

Is the rift between Sanders and Clinton more than just status quo versus overdue change? Is it also a contest between Mammon and True Faith?

[Petrushka]

61. ^^ This! ^^

[Cryptoad]

66. I beleive that was in Book of Mark

it is the corner stone on which the Rich justified regressive taxes!

[Betty Karlson]

71. Stop spreading their gospel, and repent their sins.

No need to further their inequities. Citizens United is already doing that, withy the tacid blessing of Our Lady of Inevitability, Saint Hillary of Walmart, and the Affluent Fruit of her Lbor.

[liberalnarb]

64. Good idea!

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/lets-go-bernie?refcode=old_site

[MrMickeysMom]

84. Hmmmm....

[salinsky]

30. Bernie is being deliberately dishonest with his supporters ...

... he should be stripped of his committee seats and kicked out of the caucus.

Purity candidate, my ass.

[Stuckinthebush]

33. The dishonesty is stunning

He knows how the voting works but he continues to push this contested line. This is not the GOP, there will be one vote with a majority of all delegates voting for Clinton. The pledged don't vote first, they vote with the unpledged in each state as the roll is called. He knows this and knows this means that there is no contested convention.

I'm stunned he would say this. It hurts his message.

[chwaliszewski]

41. The smugness of the Hillary supporters make me want to

[COLGATE4]

59. smugness = using facts

got it.

[-none]

67. Oh, Bernie knows full well how the voting works.

That is why he wants a contested convention. To get things out in the daylight a bit.

[liberalnarb]

65. Dishonest?

Why is this dishonest? It is likely no candidate will hit the magic number by July.

[greymouse]

69. wow, you really hate any opposition to Hillary's corruption, don't you.

Wave goodbey to a substantial portion of the Democratic party if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. Then watch your candidate lose the general. No smirking Clinton faces in the White House again. No Bill chasing around young women.

[salinsky]

76. This statement from Bernie is completely divorced from reality ...

... but, the Bernie supporters simply ...

... do ...

... not ...

... care.

[oberliner]

39. Hopefully it won't be like 1980

That was ugly.

[Thinkingabout]

52. He is getting confused, the GOP may have a contested convention, they have more than two

People with delegates. On the first vote at the convention there will be a majority, mathematically impossible impossible not to have a majority. He can not present anything which will change having a majority.

[Gothmog]

55. Sanders is delusional

there will be no open convention

[MrMickeysMom]

83. Oh, but there will be a contested one...

You're familiar with the slogan, "Don't mess with Texas"?

Don't mess with thinking this Democratic convention will not be contested.

[thereismore]

72. Can you imagine the ruckus inside and outside the convention hall? A major unappreciated factor is

the fact that by the time Dem convention starts, we will know exactly who is running for the repukes. If it's not Trump,
Bernie's hand will be much stronger.