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greymouse

(872 posts)
2. Truly excellent
Mon May 2, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

One union after another. The Democratic party is going to fall to ruin if they don't nominate Bernie. And a new party will arise that really represents the people.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
5. Steve-----------------------lets get something straight right now................................
Tue May 3, 2016, 12:22 AM
May 2016

Bernie Sanders has been railing about and against Nafta since 1992, and longer and what it was going to do to good paying jobs, and because of that event this country has lost over 60000 manufacturing plants , employing over 3,00000 million people.

Clinton and his wife and all of his corporate suites in the DLC and Third Way supporters back in that time frame said it would make America a player in the global markets, but even Ross Perot said that there would be a giant sucking sound of jobs leaving this country, because of how the tariffs are set up----------------they blow and they will decimate the middle working class people.

So what did Bill say when he was signing this NAFTA legislation, that everyone needs to get higher education, to basically go into hock to get a better education because the corporate suites knew how to fight for the corporations to maintain the inequality for the working class, and that the working class wasn't trying hard enough to become a corporate suite with out the professional education class that knew what was better for everyone else.

And now we have TPP which his wife proxies (flip / flopped) while at state to do the same thing, but finish off whats left on the working class table to be outsourced, and saying to the working class they aren't doing enough to maintain the needed education to be a professional suite

That the working class were a failure, so he (Bill) signed legislation to increase immigration by bringing folks to work at Microsoft, Oracle, you name it , and they turn right around and started laying off workers with IT degrees, to get shoved out of the market so that lower paying H-1B workers could take there jobs------------------------------just a big thank you to the Clinton's and the Third Way and DLC,


Honk-----------------------for apolitical revolution Bernie 2016

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
9. Your welcome ........................
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

Steve could have opened his show by saying something like this-------------------------

If you look on the back of a Chip's Ahoy cookie package, that's right a package of Chip's Ahoy, from Nabisco, you will see that this Nabisco product is made in Mexico, that's right, its made in Mexico, that's because of of NAFTA, that because, the DLC, Third Way Bill Clinton signed into law in 1992, and the same law, that Hillary supported.

As for her positions on TPP she has said that she would like to re-examine this piece of "trade deal" and see if it needs to be tweaked, no it needs to be placed in the toilet, and flushed down the said toilet-----------------to hell with a legacy.

With all do respect, Mrs. Hillary Clinton you are going to lose this election because you have said that you will only look at it.

You really need to ask yourself Mrs. Hillary Clinton, that just maybe that this TPP "trade deal" the same one that is more extravagant than NAFTA and really being pushed by the corporate suits and the oligarchies, is going to put this country squarely into a third rate state, and you really need to look at yourself in the mirror and say to yourself, do I really want to do this, is my ego that big.

No matter how many people you say need to go out and get degrees, its not going to help, because the TPP that your State Department green -lighted and this current president is jumping up and down saying that it is going to make the "trade deals" playing field more fair, is a total fiasco.

And as for Donald Trump, that's right Donald Trump, he his going to be the new Ross Perot and he is out doing this on his hate campaign as we speak, he is using this gambit as the basis of his jingoistic slogans, and not in so many words but your husband laughed off right along with pappy Bush-----------------

You, Ms. Hillary Clinton if you are the nominee really need to come out against this "trade deal" that Bernie Sanders has said from the beginning of his time in office is bad, real bad-------------------------------and the records show that these "trade deals' that have no tariffs are taking this country down and I mean down, and people are pissed off, because of it-----------------look every night on the "dtrumps channels----------------------it's right there in front of everyone proverbial face----------------------------


Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016



turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
10. You are correct--------------------------
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016

I wrote a reply to "Peace Patriot" above that has in my humble opinion should explain what is going on in this election--------------

Every election is based on the individuals economic situation, and in this election and this TPP "trade deal" being "almost green-lighted, has people really upset--------------------the public is really tired of these so called "trade deals' that do not have a tariff on the imported products to protect jobs in this country---------------------the DLC and Third Way since 1992 are apart of what this country is going through right now------------------they can't run from this fact.

Germany and the European people in these countries right now are looking at what NAFTA and CAFTA have done and the only thing that is saving them from the boondoggle that is happening in there countries is the VAT tax, they impose on imported products, which is now under assault with the TPPI "trade deal" that is presently in the works.

Over 90,000 people in Germany, I believe have gone out into the streets over this "trade deal" which is now in the works, and if they, the EU pass it, watch out-------------------------in my opinion there will be so many shut-downs and strikes , these governments will not know what to do, all they have to do is look at what Nabisco did with the Chip's Ahoy cookies, and see what happens to manufacturing jobs, its right there on the Chips Ahoy package--------------they are NAFTA cookies, which everyone goes in and buys, as to what NAFTA has done, those jobs are gone right now, and Carrier is going to do the same thing-----------------and both Clinton's supported that plan and they support this TPP plan, she has now flip flopped on her position.

Her State Department green-lighted this "trade deal" she can't run from that and she can't say, if I get elected I take a look at it to see if it needs to be tweaked-----------------sorry ----------that's not good enough.

Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. Right, and Hillary is talking out of both sides of her mouth on the TPP.
Tue May 3, 2016, 02:41 PM
May 2016

She said she objects to it and then says something vague about the labor provisions. Don't trust her. Her "Objections" to it give her wiggle room, a way out to change her mind. All she has to do is pronounce that the labor provisions have been tweaked to please her, and she can support it.

No way. It isn't just the labor provisions that are the problem with the TPP. The courts the TPP sets up that allow for corporations to set up their own kangaroo courts to give them taxpayer money when the citizens of a country vote against their ugly corporate schemes is another big problem.

We Americans cannot afford these trade agreements. The ones we have are already killing our economy. Look at our trade deficits and how they grow.

I lived in Europe. The VAT tax is what keeps Europe going. They really cannot afford the trade agreement. Nor can we.

I do not oppose trade. But the trade agreements we have and that are proposed are against our interests and will harm our national security. We should not agree to them.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
12. You are so correct-----------------------
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:13 PM
May 2016

when we had tariffs on imported products, it protected the very fabric of this manufacturing base, and now with this NAFTA ,TPP and these other "trade deals"' are attacking the sovereignty of the citizens and the country in the courts, that these oligarchies want to set -up (fox guarding the hen house mentality), and to further erode the tariffs---------amazing.

And you are correct she is talking out of both sides of her mouth on this TPP, someone in the media should be asking her point blank, are you going to re-open this deal? You do realize, that the only reason that the "dtrumpf" is in this race is because of TPP---------------correct?

And make it stronger for the working class, to protect jobs in this country and raise the tariffs on imports, ( even on those cookies), even though you green-lighted this "trade deal"----------------it's a simple question to answer---------------either, yes or no. Not maybe, does she know about Chips Ahoy, I mean does she know?

All we have to do is look at the steel industry, which was once the envy of the world, there are over 300,000 steel workers out of a job, how are you going to make bridges beams or some tanks for that matter, if the steel mills are shut down, go around and say--------------just a minute let me ask Japan, or Korea for the product, which they are already doing, what if they get upset----then what do you do--------------------yes, I am a protectionists .

And when they got laid off they say go get a degree-----------------ok, I hope I get the right degree, because if its not, I am in hock up to my eyebrows, and the job I just trained for it going some place else------------amazing.

Its like whack-a-mole, the population sees what is happening, they object, and then the "trade deal" comes up from a different hole, with more greed attached to it, with more threats.

And this media, is just amazing--------------they have turned the election into a reality game show.

I watched "Vice" for the first time this weekend on HBO (got it for free had some issues with the dish) and when I saw what was happening to the children in India, I was just sickened, 90% of them are glue heads living by railroad tracks selling plastic bottles, to survive and get more glue--------------but we can sell them combat helicopters. And the oil based plastic in the the Albatross--------------the planet is dying and they have no sanctions to protect the kids or the Albatross from the oligarchies making the plastic -------------amazing.






Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016



JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. It's heartbreaking. At least we have the internet.
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:18 PM
May 2016

But if Hillary is elected, I expect that net neutrality will not survive her presidency. She is so sold out. But people do not understand this. It really breaks my heart.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
14. They the powers in play really want to re-visit this issue------------------
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:36 PM
May 2016

information and the more places everyone gets information makes people more powerful over there lives and what they want out of life.




Honk--------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016



Uncle Joe

(58,348 posts)
8. Piss poor context and slanted reporting by MSNBC Bernie has been against this for far longer than
Tue May 3, 2016, 09:27 AM
May 2016

Trump.


Thanks for the thread, Donkees.

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