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Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
1. Context is king
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

Words have differing meaning within the variable contexts uttered. I really don't know why this is so hard for people to understand.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
2. The word goes back to slavery.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

It has a horrible past and it was never meant to be used as a term if endearment. It was always a disgusting degrading term. Larry Wilmore was terrible.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
8. Sorry, but ironic use of slurs has a long history
Wed May 4, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

The oppressor class really has no say in the matter. The oppressor class also doesn't get to use the word. Now, that doesn't mean the people of African descent can't dislike the word (see Richard Pryor's evolving views on the word), but non-African/Blacks can't use the word outside of a academic sense without being offensive.

markpkessinger

(8,393 posts)
14. Quite correct . . .
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:23 AM
May 2016

. . . and it is not unlike the use of the word "faggot" by gay people among themselves (I am gay). That word, likewise, has a horrendous history, but when members of an oppressed group co-opt a label that has historically been used to oppress them and use the term among themselves, it serves as a means of depriving the term of its former power over them. And just as with the "N-word," that doesn't mean that all members of that oppressed group will necessarily agree or see it the same way.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
16. My only objection is the tendency of folks having academic discussion
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:52 AM
May 2016

or when reporting news to actually not use the word. It becomes like Lord Voldemort's name, something people fear saying, which in itself give the word power. If a politician or other public figure calls someone a "nigger", "faggot" or "cunt", hiding behind "n-word", "f-word" or "c-word" is stupid and inaccurate. People say they do this to avoid "offending" or showing disrespect". Well, the person they are talking about had no such reservations, and that is important context to the story that should not be omitted.

Similarly, when we are having an academic/etymological discussion we should not refrain from using the words since the whole point of the discussion is to explore the context and impact of the words in question. It reminds me of politicians who refuse to use the correct words for genitalia because that is "impolite".

It also reminds me of the scene in High Anxiety where Mel Brooks starts to discuss Freudian sexuality, but pulls up short when he notices one of his colleagues has brought his kids to the lecture. He then starts talking about "Pee pee envy".

Just a pet peeve of mine, and now it will probably get me in trouble.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
3. We shouldn't be giving this so much attention. Its obvious thats all Wilmore wanted.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:29 AM
May 2016

He wasn't trying to get a point across, he just wanted to be the center of a controversy.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
7. I think Obama took it in the spirit it was intended, high praise and honor among family.
Wed May 4, 2016, 12:09 PM
May 2016

If you ain't family you don't get it and, you ain't supposed to.

Bucky

(53,998 posts)
9. I'm gonna bet the word Nigga does not get used in any form in the Obama family
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016

You know that smile when Obama acknowledged Wilmore's use of "nigga". That was nobless oblige.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
18. trying to understand this in anyway that is not insulting to someone. I guess you are attempting
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:27 AM
May 2016

to make a joke at your own expense while at the same time avoiding a direct answer to my implication. Casper the ghost couldn't be any whiter.


fuck, I hate conversation with a coy man no matter their color.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
15. in-group use is inherently different than out-group use
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:36 AM
May 2016

for all kinds of similar things.

And, context.

Short answer, it's really not up to me to tell those two gentlemen whether it was appropriate, or not.

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