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GoLeft TV

(3,910 posts)
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:18 PM May 2016

Hillary Already Reversing Her Positions to Appease Corporate Donors



It looks like Hillary Clinton’s opposition to the coal industry didn’t last very long. In a recent spat with pro-coal protestors, Clinton made it clear that she had little intention in hurting the coal industry. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.
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Hillary Already Reversing Her Positions to Appease Corporate Donors (Original Post) GoLeft TV May 2016 OP
Heard about this, dont like it one bit. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #1
Coal people are voting for Sanders because he will protect the coal miners lewebley3 May 2016 #16
Great. She wants to continue to mine and sell coal now. Old Crow May 2016 #2
Sanders is supported by the fossil fuel in West Virg and Kent lewebley3 May 2016 #17
This is going to be a scary election if she gets the nomination. Scary country either way. YOHABLO May 2016 #3
It's an unfortunate reality that people are impatient... Blanks May 2016 #4
Spin, spin, spin! You Hillbots are all very dizzy. BillZBubb May 2016 #6
I prefer 'reality based human' to Hillbot. eom Blanks May 2016 #12
Sanders is in bed with the coal people: they are supporting him in West VR lewebley3 May 2016 #18
We can't afford 20 more years of burning coal. That's a cop-out, bullshit excuse for doing nothing. arcane1 May 2016 #8
+ 1000 nt abelenkpe May 2016 #11
Whatever... Blanks May 2016 #15
Only we don't have twenty years -- or more starroute May 2016 #9
Always an excuse or compromise angrychair May 2016 #22
Are you for real????? DreamSmoker May 2016 #5
The Democratic Party made sure those were the choices Victor_c3 May 2016 #14
The choice is to vote for Hillary or leave the poor to the GOP: You are self lewebley3 May 2016 #19
She hasn't even stepped back into the white House yet and I'm already thinking about a primary raindaddy May 2016 #7
You don't know anything about Hillary thinking: You are a Sanders ideologue lewebley3 May 2016 #21
Whoda scottie55 May 2016 #10
Crazy! I'd never have expected her to change positions on anything! Victor_c3 May 2016 #13
Hillary is the real progressive: she get things done: and she is working to lewebley3 May 2016 #20
Yup and real progressives vote for BS wars Victor_c3 May 2016 #24
Farron Cousins says he has done nothing but give her praise for that for the last 6 months, BULL! ToxMarz May 2016 #23

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
4. It's an unfortunate reality that people are impatient...
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

When a candidate promises that minimum wage is going to be raised to $15 because wages have been stagnant for a long time, people think that it's gonna happen right away.

This is the same thing. Yes, that's her plan convert to renewable energy sources, stop relying on coal as a source of energy, take care of the workers in the industry with retraining. It's probably at least a 20 year plan.

It's not 'caving to industry' to elaborate on the time frame, to inform the industry that you're not going to do something reckless and start abandoning coal plants.

This is exactly the kind of thing that brought the Tea Party into power. Politics moves slow and the reason it moves slowly is because we have a system built on compromise. The 'reeducation program' has to be in place before you start pulling the plug and there has to be a viable plan for switching to alternative energies before you can actually start switching.

The guy in the video is s blowhard. Reminds me of Joe the plumber.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
6. Spin, spin, spin! You Hillbots are all very dizzy.
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:46 PM
May 2016

Even Her Majesty admitted she "misspoke". You can't even do the same?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
8. We can't afford 20 more years of burning coal. That's a cop-out, bullshit excuse for doing nothing.
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
15. Whatever...
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

There's nothing I'd like more than to get started down the path toward sustainability. I'm a civil engineer with a secondary degree in natural resources and environmental science.

It's what I wake up every morning wishing we were moving toward, but I see the people with opposing views on a constant basis and they will not vote for the candidate who puts the environment before jobs.

My criticism of Hillary on this is that she came out so forcefully AGAINST the coal industry initially instead of FOR the retraining program, but the press chooses which clips they're gonna play, they decide how the story is going to play out. They decide who is going to look bad. When you have candidates speaking to different groups with different interests every single day, it's easy pickings if you're gonna find an issue where a politician has walked a position back.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
9. Only we don't have twenty years -- or more
Thu May 5, 2016, 03:05 PM
May 2016

Experts are warning that we have ten years at most to make the required changes and that the window is rapidly closing. They're saying we need the equivalent of a Manhattan Project to phase out fossil fuels as rapidly as possible.

This is not an area where incrementalism is possible or where people have to be reeducated before any changes can be made at all. And it's especially important to have leaders who can convey a sense of the urgency and not be saying the equivalent of "what's the rush?"

angrychair

(8,698 posts)
22. Always an excuse or compromise
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:24 PM
May 2016

This quote from you:

It's probably at least a 20 year plan.


It is always 10, 20, or 30 years away.
Funny how the goalposts keep moving. Funny how there is always money to subsidize the oil and coal industry to the tune of billions of dollars or spend more on Defense than the next 11 countries combined (all either our allies or non-hostile) but never enough for the actual R&D needed to achieve the goals people like HRC only give lip service too.
We are smart enough to figure out better ways of killing each other but not better ways to produce energy?

DreamSmoker

(841 posts)
5. Are you for real?????
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

To Cherry Pic and use this as an excuse not to Vote Democrat or Hillary is plain Stupid..
Especially if Your choices are Hillary or the Devil...

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
14. The Democratic Party made sure those were the choices
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:10 PM
May 2016

They did what was necessary to keep a real progressive out of the White House. Enjoy a Hillary Clinton presidency! You guys brought it on to yourselves!!

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
7. She hasn't even stepped back into the white House yet and I'm already thinking about a primary
Thu May 5, 2016, 02:55 PM
May 2016

from the democratic wing of the Democratic party after her first term...

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
13. Crazy! I'd never have expected her to change positions on anything!
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

Oh, the betrayal!! I thought she was a real progressive - she even said so herself!!!!

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
20. Hillary is the real progressive: she get things done: and she is working to
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:18 PM
May 2016

protect the environment. Sanders is getting the coal miners vote not
Hillary

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
24. Yup and real progressives vote for BS wars
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:50 PM
May 2016

What sorts of "real" progress has Hillary gotten done? More wars in the Middle East? Her support for the patriot act? Support for big banks and Wall Street over working class and middle class Americans?? She sounds really progressive to me

Bernie Sanders is just a poser

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
23. Farron Cousins says he has done nothing but give her praise for that for the last 6 months, BULL!
Thu May 5, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

Ring of Fire has become unlistenable unless you HATE Hillary Clinton. There is no praise there for her for anything. I have been listening for years and stopped a few weeks ago. Even Jimmy Dore has been infected, but at least he doesn't carry it to far in his personal podcast so I can still listen to that. Hope to be able to back to listening to it after the Primaries. What I understood from Hillary's statement was that the words "we are going to put coal miners and coal companies out of business" were not consistent with what she proposed and she still has the same proposal. Clinton wants to help coal country adapt. Nothing has changed as far as she has said concerning that proposal of the $30 billion plan she released last fall calling for increased job training, ets. So Farron Cousins problem is that unless she characterizes it as "we are going to put coal miners and coal companies out of business", she is a liar. Well if that was you and your families livelihood, I think you would want to hear a little more than that. More about the plan to retrain them and bring new industry to the area. They may not have heard that before, only the part about putting them out of business.

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