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Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Finger-wag Super Cut
And in the second picture at the link below, what is his hand doing over there by her face? Is invading her personal space a debate tactic? Why didn't his advisors tell him this wasn't okay?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-bernie-sanders-interrupts-hillary-clinton-sexism-20160307-story.html
And what's his hand doing here?
http://www.popsugar.com/news/Hillary-Clinton-Bernie-Sanders-Debate-Quotes-2015-38762212#photo-38762212
riversedge
(70,193 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Seriously, in each instance, Bernie was raising his hand to get the attention of the questioners to say that he had a point to make. He was being polite.
Did you notice that in most of the instances, Hillary had one or both of her thumbs moving up and sometimes down again and occasionally over and over and the back or in a couple of cases, the palm of her hand pointed to the audience.
I know this video is supposed to make Bernie look bad, but it actually just makes Hillary look angry and bossy.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
attention to how she twists his words and/or goes over the allotted time, it was the most polite thing he could do.
Speaking as a woman I loathe it when the faux-feminist victim card is played.
840high
(17,196 posts)have told her to STFU.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)time and they were not calling her on it.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)There is also a game you can play on his CBS site
progressoid
(49,983 posts)Will have to check out the website when I'm on a real computer.
treestar
(82,383 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)I've really tried. Can't do it
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)a few feet away, is waving his arms around and wagging his fingers. I would have needed to wear blinders, but Hillary kept her cool.
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JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)and the back of her hand facing the audience bouncing up and down.
She sounded angry in every clip.
Bernie was being polite in that he was signaling the questioners that he wanted to respond to her statement.
Can't wait for the video clips of Hillary's smirks and cackle laughs.
Bernie is too much of a gentleman to make such a video.
I'm sure Trump will mock her for that. She is very sensitive and easily angered. She pouts, and Trump is going to play that up like everything.
If there is one thing that Hillary is not, it is gracious.
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)if someone posted a video of HRC with emphasis on her most irritating voice, which, Like Bernie'S finger wagging, is an unfortunate part of her "self", all the Hillary team would be screaming "SEXISM".
Now can we get back to what really matters ?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)where he's extended his wagging finger to within inches of her face.
His scolding finger wagging isn't a part of his "self." It's a masculine display, aimed at the woman standing next to him.
When he was talking, she usually just stood there and listened. When she was talking, he rolled his eyes, made faces, and practically jumped out of his skin, waving his arms and wagging his fingers. He kept trying to get the attention of the moderator even though there was no other candidate in the debate; he would automatically get the next turn and he didn't need to wave his finger around to claim it.
Imagine you're trying to give a well-considered response and a few feet away from you, within your peripheral vision, your opponent is putting on a distracting show like that. I'd need to wear blinders. I don't know how Hillary did it.
ON EDIT: A fair comparison would be of his voice to her voice. And I don't see him winning that competition. His voice is no more pleasant than hers.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Bangbangdem
(140 posts)Kindve been going round and round with this user. I think more and more that this person is a plant. The million dollar social media disinformation blitz that the clinton campaign had to admit to? Wait, let me get my tin foil hat on.... this is a con.
Bangbangdem
(140 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the young woman Hillary accosted was a GreenPeace activist not Bernie Sanders -ooops
ciaobaby
(1,000 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)appalachiablue
(41,129 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Bernie was just trying to raise his hand so that he could respond to Hillary.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Glad she called out that Bernie plant
Bangbangdem
(140 posts)She hasn't taken any cash from the petrol industry?
Bwahahahaha!
I look forward to your spirited response.
elmac
(4,642 posts)ho hum.
vanlassie
(5,670 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Many of these people just suck. Forget about having an actual conversation or debate...unless all you want are rolling smiley faces, gifs of people rolling their eyes or "she's the most qualified." That's all you'll get from them...oh, and fake bullshit outrage.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)A finger wag? It's a polite way of telling the moderators "Hey, this person is full of shit. Can I get a chance to rebut, or is she just going to filibuster all night?"
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)make women loathe him even more.
But what Bernie did wasn't polite. There were no other competitors on the stage. He was going to automatically get his turn. He didn't need to wave his arms around and wag his fingers to get it, like the little boy at the front of the class, waving his arm around for the teacher to call on him.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Interrupting, the way Hillary did while he was making his case was rude. Putting your finger up to get the moderator's attention is the polite thing...just maybe not in your world where grass is blue and the sky is green.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)And he threw his hand out to within inches of Hillary's face. Not okay.
And there was no reason for him to get the moderator's attention. The moderator knew what she was doing, and was going to give Bernie his turn. He didn't have to wave around while Hillary was talking.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I remember thinking, "how long is she going to get to filibuster and lie before he gets a word in edgewise?" That, to me, was not okay.
You're obviously a HRC supporter and I'm obviously not. I see what you're doing as totally manufactured outrage and you see it as legit. I'll come right out and admit that I will never vote for Hillary in a million years. She ran a racist campaign against Obama in '08 and to me is just the most inauthentic flawed and conservative candidate the democrats could have pushed on us. I live in MA, so I can vote for Jill Stein and not feel like I have to hold my nose to vote for her. You see her differently and that's your thing.
Normally I'll let a post like yours just slide, but the montage of finger wags as some sort of earth shattering affront to all women was just a bridge too far. If I had been in that debate, I would have lost my cool and told the moderators "She's lying!! Can I finally say something?!"
Just wait until she has to debate Trump. You'll miss those polite finger wags while he eviscerates her.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)If you wonder why there is such a large gender gap, this is part of the reason. He and his supporters have a huge blind spot with regard to women. It goes along with him having no women among his top ten advisors. Not one.
Trump won't be a problem in a debate with Hillary. He'll make a complete fool of himself. Blustering and sputtering insults won't scare her, as it did his Rethug opponents.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)In fact, I talk to more women than men that absolutely can't stand her and wouldn't vote for her in a million years. So you can enjoy that gender gap meme and hang on to it when she loses in the GE if she makes it that far.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)like your friends. They aren't representative of the voters.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)But it ain't mine
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Spot on.
840high
(17,196 posts)embarrassing yourself.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,013 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)It's all going to be about Bill and his womanizing and partying. Watch.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)1997 rape lawsuit.
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/exclusive-inside-the-donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuit/
The lawsuit was filed by Jill Harth who then went by Jill Harth Houraney on April 25, 1997. Harth, who was in her early 30s at the time, alleged that Trump engaged in hostile and offensive sexual behavior towards her from 1992 to 1997 including groping her under her dress on several occasions, forcibly moving her to his daughters bedroom in an attempt to have sex with her, and repeatedly, aggressively and inappropriately propositioning her for sex. She called it sexually abusive and LawNewz.com spoke to her in an exclusive interview.
And his ex-wife's claim that he physically assaulted her and raped her.
And his lawyer's excuse that marital rape wasn't a crime.
How many people has Hillary been accused of raping?
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)You seriously think that will stop him from going after Hill on the Bill front?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)His history is just as eventful as Bill's.
And Bill isn't the one running for President.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Conflated with Bernie.
Trump, I'd guess you're right.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Most of that wasn't pertinent to the public when Bill ran for office. Now we have social media and the 24/7 news cycle...AND it's Trump setting the agenda this time not the networks.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)or the one who swore in a deposition that nothing happened?
And what was this terrible thing that Hillary did, other than not divorcing Bill?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)It wasn't so much a finger-wag as a cry for help: "Holy moley, she's just letting loose a torrent of half-truths and distortions and there's no end to her yakking in sight. Moderators? Hello?!"
Oh, that and he also wanted the waiter to know he was ready for his check.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)THAT really ticks me off.
dchill
(38,472 posts)Congrats! The only ones buying this are already inmates at the echo chamber.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)dchill
(38,472 posts)By the 12 million people who approve of your silly thread about finger wagging! I'm sure you have your finger on the motivation of all those millions.
If only he hadn't wagged his finger, we wouldn't be headed to a short, bleak future of perpetual war, fossil fuel and even filthier filthy rich. And all without universal health care.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)As if you think stating that over and will change future events.
But seeing as you are a Hillary supporter, yes do please go on wasting your time!
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)This I find irradiating about the Clintons:
frylock
(34,825 posts)It's like February all up in here.
FuzzyRabbit
(1,967 posts)than selling yourself to Goldman Sachs and the other big banks for $250,000 for a 20 minute speech, right?
Assuming Clinton is elected President, you will quickly learn that her loyalties lie with the wealthiest of the 1%, not with you or me.
mac56
(17,566 posts)Getting mighty crowded in there, but they're all your buddies.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Oh right - y'all don't need 'em. Oooookaaaaay.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)This is NOTHING compared to the lies I see here about Hillary every day.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Beethoven1111
(14 posts)This is the best thing I've seen all day
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)thread is for me?
It says that there are 77 replies and I can only see 16. Ignore List works.
They can say what they want and they will. I just don't have to put up with it any more and am MUCH happier for that.