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Maine Democratic Convention Abolishes Superdelegates. (Original Post) stlsaxman May 2016 OP
Is that effective immediately? Proud Liberal Dem May 2016 #1
Full effect in 2020 BUT unpledged are URGED to follow this rule for 2016. stlsaxman May 2016 #2
Yeah. That'll happen. *snicker* Gomez163 May 2016 #53
so u feel they should do what is wrong? or do what is just for all. juxtaposed May 2016 #54
They should all do this now. The Democratic Party should be Democratic and Not the Oligarchic Party Baobab May 2016 #64
agree ,, of the ppl. has no clout now juxtaposed May 2016 #87
Its about time. Why did they wait so long? Baobab May 2016 #65
in the schedule set by the DNC each state has its own convention. stlsaxman May 2016 #69
We already look horrible... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #75
Main doesn't control the Dem party: their vote means nothing lewebley3 May 2016 #5
Maine means a lot, especially to those who live here. It's a start of the People's Party. downeastdaniel May 2016 #11
Where is Main? Fuddnik May 2016 #17
Only in the rain dlwickham May 2016 #22
Will it go down the drain? Fuddnik May 2016 #23
Nowhere near John McCain. mac56 May 2016 #25
It's near Lake Champlain madamvlb May 2016 #34
Are you really that stupid Soxfan58 May 2016 #43
You get there in the rain RoccoR5955 May 2016 #50
Main Street. It's not Wall Street. nt valerief May 2016 #57
their vote means nothing AlbertCat May 2016 #18
Wow. Phlem May 2016 #27
Like this makes a difference. leftofcool May 2016 #38
Your respect for the will of the voters is noted Lordquinton May 2016 #45
They say it in the video. bkkyosemite May 2016 #6
Want to know why? Because we effing hate it when people try to force a candidate down our throats Android3.14 May 2016 #3
Hillary has won the every vote: It Sander people being sore losers lewebley3 May 2016 #7
Here's a hypothetical question for you: where do you suppose Gene Debs May 2016 #12
Clinton would have 1704 delegates, Sanders 1414. George II May 2016 #14
Yup. n/t OhZone May 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author 4bucksagallon May 2016 #74
"Hillary has won the every vote"? mac56 May 2016 #24
The Great Coast to Coast Disenfranchisement Tour notwithstanding. nt silvershadow May 2016 #28
You should be complaining to Tad Devine, who was instrumental in implementing superdelegates.... George II May 2016 #13
You go ahead. We all will deal with reality and change the rules at each State Dem Convention JimDandy May 2016 #76
It won't work. Once Sanders disappears back into the shadows, this so-called "revolution".... George II May 2016 #80
It is working and Sanders policies are what nearly half of all Dems JimDandy May 2016 #81
Unfortunately Sanders doesn't really have an articulated "policies", just "we don't want this"... George II May 2016 #82
Incorrect. His positions have been on his website. n/t JimDandy May 2016 #83
Actually, so does Hillary. Malteil May 2016 #88
Hillary won 3 million more votes than Sanders. SunSeeker May 2016 #37
Yeah, forget the fact that caucuses require fewer voters RoccoR5955 May 2016 #51
Only under Bernie math is 3 million more votes somehow "less." SunSeeker May 2016 #56
That's it, only count the primaries. RoccoR5955 May 2016 #58
And it only took voter suppression, party strong arm tactics & a unified corporate media Android3.14 May 2016 #60
Oh please. Sanders got almost as must free media as Trump SunSeeker May 2016 #68
Good for them! democrank May 2016 #4
Main should be not be allow to vote in the primary if they dont follow the rules lewebley3 May 2016 #8
D Fuddnik May 2016 #16
Your respect for the will of the voters is noted. Lordquinton May 2016 #47
You realize... Else You Are Mad May 2016 #49
The party can except or reject: it a private party: They have lewebley3 May 2016 #86
Ought to be called Super Cheaters...At least Maine gets it Bodych May 2016 #9
Excellent. The party should follow. mahannah May 2016 #10
Congratulations Maine on the move saidsimplesimon May 2016 #15
Superdelegates! An idea so bad..... AlbertCat May 2016 #19
And got Trump? nt OhZone May 2016 #31
And got Trump? AlbertCat May 2016 #35
Wow! Not really - OhZone May 2016 #44
A good step in the right direction.Hopefully other states will follow suit. Akicita May 2016 #20
The DNC should add super delegates in every one of the other states except for Maine. Firebrand Gary May 2016 #21
WTF HatTrick May 2016 #32
In case you're unaware, we've got an electoral college. Firebrand Gary May 2016 #39
Then don't vote. Although I'm pretty sure we have representative democracy. That Guy 888 May 2016 #52
I love to vote! And I LOVE Super Delegates! Firebrand Gary May 2016 #62
I don't have a degree in poli-sci, so maybe I misunderstood your post. That Guy 888 May 2016 #77
The Democratic Party will just select new delegates to replace Maine leftofcool May 2016 #41
If you remove the Super Delegates, you have to lower the threshold for nomination liberal N proud May 2016 #26
If there were no Super Delegates, Bernie would still fall short. AlbertCat May 2016 #40
This process is not new, but because your candidate isn't winning, your whining liberal N proud May 2016 #59
"... you have to lower the threshold for nomination ..."??? Jopin Klobe May 2016 #46
Kick and Recommended! nt Rebkeh May 2016 #29
"As Maine goes, so goes the nation." bluedigger May 2016 #33
Woo!Hoo! I'll be writing to my congressional rep magical thyme May 2016 #36
Now ... Jopin Klobe May 2016 #42
Whatever. BlueMTexpat May 2016 #48
It was too late for anyone when Clinton sewed up the nomination before the primary started. That Guy 888 May 2016 #55
It is not Hillary who has damaged BlueMTexpat May 2016 #63
If Sanders had run as an independent Clinton supporters would have said he split the vote. That Guy 888 May 2016 #78
The DNC gets to approve these rules Gothmog May 2016 #61
Each state is autonomous... stlsaxman May 2016 #70
I know that the DNC gets approve delegate selection plans and Maine cannot change its plan midstream Gothmog May 2016 #72
Read the DNC rules Gothmog May 2016 #73
...and can set the terms for the PLEDGED delegates it selects. brooklynite May 2016 #85
I just posted the same video if you like I will delete it. 4bucksagallon May 2016 #66
Kicked and recommended for democracy. Uncle Joe May 2016 #67
you are most welcome, Uncle Joe! stlsaxman May 2016 #71
It is a first step to making the "Democratic" Party a bit more democratic, don't you think? emsimon33 May 2016 #79
No...they didn't brooklynite May 2016 #84

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
64. They should all do this now. The Democratic Party should be Democratic and Not the Oligarchic Party
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:37 PM
May 2016

"Stupordelegates" make the Democratic party look like the Oligarchic Party

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
69. in the schedule set by the DNC each state has its own convention.
Sat May 7, 2016, 08:39 PM
May 2016

this is THE time for the state to make such choices.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
75. We already look horrible...
Sat May 7, 2016, 10:45 PM
May 2016

People calling themselves Democrats who look the other way after methodically creating an unequal delegate system. One person one vote, my ass. We've lifted out dress and shown our sorry ass for ever letting the party get into this position.

Fuck Debbie Wasserman Shultz's reaction, BTW. I hope she's spitting up right now.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
18. their vote means nothing
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:34 PM
May 2016

Hmmmm...

must be near VT in the other country, whose name I don't know, that is not the USA.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
38. Like this makes a difference.
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:30 PM
May 2016

So what Maine doesn't send their 4 super delegates or how ever many they have to the convention. It won't make a difference. The DNC can appoint others to take their place.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
3. Want to know why? Because we effing hate it when people try to force a candidate down our throats
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:22 PM
May 2016

FU DWS

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
12. Here's a hypothetical question for you: where do you suppose
Sat May 7, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

Clinton would be now if the whole primary season had proceeded without Debbie Wasserman Schultz's thumb on the scale? If it had been a fair race, I think a lot more people might be wondering if Hillary should stay in through the convention.

Response to OhZone (Reply #30)

mac56

(17,566 posts)
24. "Hillary has won the every vote"?
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:56 PM
May 2016

Just as the Trump will win the every vote if the Hillary gets the nomination.

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. You should be complaining to Tad Devine, who was instrumental in implementing superdelegates....
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

...perhaps you should be saying "FU TD"?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
76. You go ahead. We all will deal with reality and change the rules at each State Dem Convention
Sun May 8, 2016, 12:27 AM
May 2016

to dump the super delegates.

George II

(67,782 posts)
80. It won't work. Once Sanders disappears back into the shadows, this so-called "revolution"....
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

....will dissolve and barely be heard from again.

This is NOT what Democrats or Americans want:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-maine-democrats-strip-superdelegates-20160507-story.html

"Sanders won the Maine caucuses with 64 percent of the vote, and his supporters were a boisterous presence at the convention, booing and heckling former Rep. Barney Frank, of Massachusetts, when he urged all Sanders supporters to unite behind Clinton if she wins the party nomination."

Stuff like that belongs in the republican party.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
81. It is working and Sanders policies are what nearly half of all Dems
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:32 AM
May 2016

and a huge number of Independepents want.

We have force behind us and we are going to use it to make Dem Party rules and American laws fair and just again and to support progressive candidates who will do the same.

George II

(67,782 posts)
82. Unfortunately Sanders doesn't really have an articulated "policies", just "we don't want this"...
Sun May 8, 2016, 10:33 AM
May 2016

...."we don't like that"

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
37. Hillary won 3 million more votes than Sanders.
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:30 PM
May 2016

She has hundreds more pledged delegates than Sanders. Yet Sanders is arguing that SDs should flip to him. THAT is trying to force a candidate down our throats. The bullies are the Sanders supporters screaming at Hillary supporters.








 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
51. Yeah, forget the fact that caucuses require fewer voters
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

and Bernie has won most of them. If you proportionately mete out the votes, per captia, Bernie has more "votes."

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
58. That's it, only count the primaries.
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

Forget the caucuses, because they don't matter. That is Clinton M.A.T.H.
Clinton M.A.T.H.=Mythological Assumption That Hillarycanwin.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
60. And it only took voter suppression, party strong arm tactics & a unified corporate media
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016

to stifle the efforts of an obscure New York Jew with actual ethics.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
68. Oh please. Sanders got almost as must free media as Trump
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:51 PM
May 2016

The networks were desperate to gin up a horse race. If Sanders had ethics he would not have filed that lawsuit against the DNC after his campaign stole Clinton data; he would not have used campaign cash to pay for a private chartered 767 trip to Rome for him, his wife and 10 relatives; and he wouldn't continue to be begging for money from poor college kids for a campaign that lost the nomination two months ago.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
15. Congratulations Maine on the move
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

toward a mature democracy; majority rule, one man, one woman, one vote, imo it's worth a shot.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
35. And got Trump?
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:29 PM
May 2016

As far as the GOP goes...

Trump is perfectly in line with their nominees for the past 20? 30? years.

Akicita

(1,196 posts)
20. A good step in the right direction.Hopefully other states will follow suit.
Sat May 7, 2016, 02:38 PM
May 2016

It probably will depend on how controlled each state party is by the party elites.

HatTrick

(129 posts)
32. WTF
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:25 PM
May 2016

I truly can't understand the thinking of someone like you. It's like republicans who vote against their interests because of issues that don't impact them.

How anyone who believes in a representative democracy can think the super delegate system if fair and represents the voters is really beyond me.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
52. Then don't vote. Although I'm pretty sure we have representative democracy.
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

Unless you meant we don't have direct democracy? Where everyone votes on everything.

Representative democracy is when we vote for someone to represent our position/interests in the position they're running for. Like for example the House of Representatives.





Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
62. I love to vote! And I LOVE Super Delegates!
Sat May 7, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

But thank you for mansplaining to me how the system works, like my major was not poli-sci or anything...

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
77. I don't have a degree in poli-sci, so maybe I misunderstood your post.
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:27 AM
May 2016
We do not have a representative democracy!

Is that missing a sarcasm tag?

I love to vote! And I LOVE Super Delegates!
to me is equivalent to
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"
YMMV

Do you check the member profiles for how many and which type degrees of every post that you respond to? It seems like an odd detail to post about yourself so I do not.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
41. The Democratic Party will just select new delegates to replace Maine
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:32 PM
May 2016

This means about as much as saying "we're getting rid of the man in the moon."

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
26. If you remove the Super Delegates, you have to lower the threshold for nomination
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:03 PM
May 2016

Super Delegates are part of the equation for nomination.

If there were no Super Delegates, Bernie would still fall short.

The problem is that no 8 news understands Super Delegates and how they protect the Democratic party from a Trump like candidate.

Be careful what you wish for!


 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
40. If there were no Super Delegates, Bernie would still fall short.
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:32 PM
May 2016

Typical.... it's not about winning, this Superdelegate mess. It's about procedure.

But of course for Hillary and her supporters, winning and money are all there is. And the ends justify the means.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
59. This process is not new, but because your candidate isn't winning, your whining
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:57 PM
May 2016

And trying to change the rules in the middle of the contest.

Play by the rules set out at the beginning and accept the results.

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
46. "... you have to lower the threshold for nomination ..."???
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:41 PM
May 2016

... have you not seen what the hell is considered "front runner" material in this election since the beginning? ...

... "threshold"? ... "lower"??? ...

... we're in the sewer because of the controlling "elites" right now ...

... say, let's try this "democracy" about which the craven shed their crocodile tears over losing to all those icky, unwashed "grassroots"* ...

*Re: Actual, taxpaying, American Citizens ...

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
33. "As Maine goes, so goes the nation."
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:26 PM
May 2016


"As Maine goes, so goes the nation" is a phrase that at one time was in wide currency in United States politics. The phrase described Maine's reputation as a bellwether state for presidential elections. Specifically, Maine's September election of a governor predicted the party outcome of the November presidential election in 19 out of the 26 presidential election years from 1832 to 1932, or 73 percent of the time. The accurate years were from 1832 (if not earlier) through 1844, in 1852, from 1860 through 1876, in 1888, from 1896 through 1908 and from 1920 through 1932.

Beginning with its creation as a state in 1820 when it split off from Massachusetts, Maine held its elections for statewide and congressional offices in September, not November as did most other states, due to warmer September weather and Maine's early harvest.[1][2] (Maine did hold its presidential elections in November.)[3]

Maine's reputation as a bellwether began in 1840, when it voted in Edward Kent, the Whig Party candidate, as Governor of Maine. Two months later, the Whig party Presidential candidate, William Henry Harrison, won the 1840 presidential election.[1] Again in 1888 Maine voted solidly for Republican Party candidates, and Republican Benjamin Harrison won the Presidential election despite losing the overall popular vote nationwide.[4] The saying originated following this election, though it is unknown by whom.[4] In subsequent election cycles, national political parties often went to considerable lengths to win Maine's early Congressional and statewide elections, despite the state's relatively small population (and hence few seats in the House of Representatives, and few electoral votes in the November presidential elections) and somewhat remote location.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Maine_goes,_so_goes_the_nation
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
36. Woo!Hoo! I'll be writing to my congressional rep
Sat May 7, 2016, 03:30 PM
May 2016

She came out of the gate very early for Hillary courtesy of the DNC bribe. Seeing as my district was almost 3:1 for Bernie, she needs to rethink. Especially because she's a shoe-in here and doesn't really need the DNC dough. Even my little red village voted in a liberal independent over a repug for selectman.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
55. It was too late for anyone when Clinton sewed up the nomination before the primary started.
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:13 PM
May 2016

Having your (former?) campaign manager run the election tends to do that. It was a tactically brilliant campaign, but strategically divisive. If she gets the nomination, win or lose in the general, she has damaged the party with her strategy and tactics.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
63. It is not Hillary who has damaged
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:26 PM
May 2016

the Democratic Party in any way whatsoever. The Democratic Party is, in fact, VERY unified behind her and she has three million MORE popular votes than Bernie does, so she prima facie has MORE support than Bernie does now.

If anything, it is the non-Democrat who hopped onto an opportunity and thought that he could use the Dem network to advance his own career and agenda who is doing his best to destroy the Dem Party through his Fifth Column libertarian invaders.

Buh-bye! I will not miss you.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
78. If Sanders had run as an independent Clinton supporters would have said he split the vote.
Sun May 8, 2016, 02:38 AM
May 2016

What I posted was true. I am afraid that future Democratic contenders will follow Clinton's strategy, denying Democratic voters a real choice using party insiders and a feudal form of "democracy" appealing to leaders of groups instead of voters I hope it does not, we will see in the next non-incumbent Democratic Primary.

The Democratic Party is, in fact, VERY unified behind her and she has three million MORE popular votes than Bernie does, so she prima facie has MORE support than Bernie does now.


And how did she get there? Again the Democratic Primary was supposed to be over before Super Tuesday. Clinton's strategy (before any other candidates announced) included amassing intimidatingly large campaign war chest, schmoozing all of the leadership (but not members) of traditional Democratic leaning non-gov't groups (like unions) persuading the super-delegates to declare support for her(again before anyone else even announced they were running) was supposed to suppress any opposing Democratic candidates. Then once the primary gets started, have your former campaign manager who is now in charge of the DNC to support you over other Democratic candidates. Is this part of the "I don't get it" tactic that Clinton supporters use? That Sanders manages to compete at all is incredible. No one else survived Clinton's un-(small d)democratic campaign.

Buh-bye! I will not miss you.


And I won't miss seeing cut and paste talking points.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
72. I know that the DNC gets approve delegate selection plans and Maine cannot change its plan midstream
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:05 PM
May 2016

The DNC credentials and rules committees will have the final say here

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
73. Read the DNC rules
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:18 PM
May 2016
https://www.scribd.com/doc/237924369/2016-Democratic-Delegate-Selection-Rules All changes have to be approved by DNC and you cannot bind or change who is designated as super delegates. Again read the rules Evidently the people in Maine did not bother to do so

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
85. ...and can set the terms for the PLEDGED delegates it selects.
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:42 PM
May 2016

...they CANNOT apply those rules to Superdelegates.

4bucksagallon

(975 posts)
66. I just posted the same video if you like I will delete it.
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

Just let me know.... Although more exposure never hurts on important issues like this, I will honor whatever you say.... Mine will more than likely be hidden anyway I am being shadowed by those that don't like Bernie and have had two TYT videos hidden in the last two weeks. What is it they call it "alert stalking"?

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
84. No...they didn't
Sun May 8, 2016, 09:41 PM
May 2016

The State of Maine (or any other State) can't "abolish" Superdelegates; nor can they order Superdelegates to vote for the winner of the State Caucus or the national vote or use any other criteria. SDs are appointed by the DNC, and given the right to vote for the candidate of their choice by the DNC. All Maine can do is direct their DNC members to push for a change in the Primary rules.

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