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Related: About this forumMaine Democratic Convention Abolishes Superdelegates.
Cue Debbie Wassermann-Schultz Panic Attack in 3... 2... 1...
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)n/t
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)"Stupordelegates" make the Democratic party look like the Oligarchic Party
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Will they get a clue as to how horrible we look?
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)this is THE time for the state to make such choices.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)People calling themselves Democrats who look the other way after methodically creating an unequal delegate system. One person one vote, my ass. We've lifted out dress and shown our sorry ass for ever letting the party get into this position.
Fuck Debbie Wasserman Shultz's reaction, BTW. I hope she's spitting up right now.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)downeastdaniel
(497 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Is it near Spain?
Can you get there on a train?
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)If I only had a brain.
mac56
(17,566 posts)madamvlb
(495 posts)Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)A liberal from Maine.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)It's on the plain in Spain, mainly.
valerief
(53,235 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Hmmmm...
must be near VT in the other country, whose name I don't know, that is not the USA.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)So what Maine doesn't send their 4 super delegates or how ever many they have to the convention. It won't make a difference. The DNC can appoint others to take their place.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)FU DWS
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Gene Debs
(582 posts)Clinton would be now if the whole primary season had proceeded without Debbie Wasserman Schultz's thumb on the scale? If it had been a fair race, I think a lot more people might be wondering if Hillary should stay in through the convention.
George II
(67,782 posts)Response to OhZone (Reply #30)
4bucksagallon This message was self-deleted by its author.
mac56
(17,566 posts)Just as the Trump will win the every vote if the Hillary gets the nomination.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...perhaps you should be saying "FU TD"?
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)to dump the super delegates.
George II
(67,782 posts)....will dissolve and barely be heard from again.
This is NOT what Democrats or Americans want:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-maine-democrats-strip-superdelegates-20160507-story.html
"Sanders won the Maine caucuses with 64 percent of the vote, and his supporters were a boisterous presence at the convention, booing and heckling former Rep. Barney Frank, of Massachusetts, when he urged all Sanders supporters to unite behind Clinton if she wins the party nomination."
Stuff like that belongs in the republican party.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)and a huge number of Independepents want.
We have force behind us and we are going to use it to make Dem Party rules and American laws fair and just again and to support progressive candidates who will do the same.
George II
(67,782 posts)...."we don't like that"
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Malteil
(58 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)She has hundreds more pledged delegates than Sanders. Yet Sanders is arguing that SDs should flip to him. THAT is trying to force a candidate down our throats. The bullies are the Sanders supporters screaming at Hillary supporters.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)and Bernie has won most of them. If you proportionately mete out the votes, per captia, Bernie has more "votes."
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Forget the caucuses, because they don't matter. That is Clinton M.A.T.H.
Clinton M.A.T.H.=Mythological Assumption That Hillarycanwin.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)to stifle the efforts of an obscure New York Jew with actual ethics.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)The networks were desperate to gin up a horse race. If Sanders had ethics he would not have filed that lawsuit against the DNC after his campaign stole Clinton data; he would not have used campaign cash to pay for a private chartered 767 trip to Rome for him, his wife and 10 relatives; and he wouldn't continue to be begging for money from poor college kids for a campaign that lost the nomination two months ago.
democrank
(11,093 posts)Let`s hope this is a trend.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Each State makes the rules as to how their delegates vote...?
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)rejected Sanders
Bodych
(133 posts)mahannah
(893 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)toward a mature democracy; majority rule, one man, one woman, one vote, imo it's worth a shot.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)..... even the GOP got rid of it.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)As far as the GOP goes...
Trump is perfectly in line with their nominees for the past 20? 30? years.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)Not out loud anyway.
Akicita
(1,196 posts)It probably will depend on how controlled each state party is by the party elites.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)I truly can't understand the thinking of someone like you. It's like republicans who vote against their interests because of issues that don't impact them.
How anyone who believes in a representative democracy can think the super delegate system if fair and represents the voters is really beyond me.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)We do not have a representative democracy!
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Unless you meant we don't have direct democracy? Where everyone votes on everything.
Representative democracy is when we vote for someone to represent our position/interests in the position they're running for. Like for example the House of Representatives.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)But thank you for mansplaining to me how the system works, like my major was not poli-sci or anything...
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Is that missing a sarcasm tag?
Do you check the member profiles for how many and which type degrees of every post that you respond to? It seems like an odd detail to post about yourself so I do not.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)This means about as much as saying "we're getting rid of the man in the moon."
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Super Delegates are part of the equation for nomination.
If there were no Super Delegates, Bernie would still fall short.
The problem is that no 8 news understands Super Delegates and how they protect the Democratic party from a Trump like candidate.
Be careful what you wish for!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Typical.... it's not about winning, this Superdelegate mess. It's about procedure.
But of course for Hillary and her supporters, winning and money are all there is. And the ends justify the means.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)And trying to change the rules in the middle of the contest.
Play by the rules set out at the beginning and accept the results.
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)... have you not seen what the hell is considered "front runner" material in this election since the beginning? ...
... "threshold"? ... "lower"??? ...
... we're in the sewer because of the controlling "elites" right now ...
... say, let's try this "democracy" about which the craven shed their crocodile tears over losing to all those icky, unwashed "grassroots"* ...
*Re: Actual, taxpaying, American Citizens ...
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Beginning with its creation as a state in 1820 when it split off from Massachusetts, Maine held its elections for statewide and congressional offices in September, not November as did most other states, due to warmer September weather and Maine's early harvest.[1][2] (Maine did hold its presidential elections in November.)[3]
Maine's reputation as a bellwether began in 1840, when it voted in Edward Kent, the Whig Party candidate, as Governor of Maine. Two months later, the Whig party Presidential candidate, William Henry Harrison, won the 1840 presidential election.[1] Again in 1888 Maine voted solidly for Republican Party candidates, and Republican Benjamin Harrison won the Presidential election despite losing the overall popular vote nationwide.[4] The saying originated following this election, though it is unknown by whom.[4] In subsequent election cycles, national political parties often went to considerable lengths to win Maine's early Congressional and statewide elections, despite the state's relatively small population (and hence few seats in the House of Representatives, and few electoral votes in the November presidential elections) and somewhat remote location.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Maine_goes,_so_goes_the_nation
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)She came out of the gate very early for Hillary courtesy of the DNC bribe. Seeing as my district was almost 3:1 for Bernie, she needs to rethink. Especially because she's a shoe-in here and doesn't really need the DNC dough. Even my little red village voted in a liberal independent over a repug for selectman.
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)... THAT'S DEMOCRACY! ...
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)It's too late for Bernie. WAY too late.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Having your (former?) campaign manager run the election tends to do that. It was a tactically brilliant campaign, but strategically divisive. If she gets the nomination, win or lose in the general, she has damaged the party with her strategy and tactics.
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)the Democratic Party in any way whatsoever. The Democratic Party is, in fact, VERY unified behind her and she has three million MORE popular votes than Bernie does, so she prima facie has MORE support than Bernie does now.
If anything, it is the non-Democrat who hopped onto an opportunity and thought that he could use the Dem network to advance his own career and agenda who is doing his best to destroy the Dem Party through his Fifth Column libertarian invaders.
Buh-bye! I will not miss you.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)What I posted was true. I am afraid that future Democratic contenders will follow Clinton's strategy, denying Democratic voters a real choice using party insiders and a feudal form of "democracy" appealing to leaders of groups instead of voters I hope it does not, we will see in the next non-incumbent Democratic Primary.
And how did she get there? Again the Democratic Primary was supposed to be over before Super Tuesday. Clinton's strategy (before any other candidates announced) included amassing intimidatingly large campaign war chest, schmoozing all of the leadership (but not members) of traditional Democratic leaning non-gov't groups (like unions) persuading the super-delegates to declare support for her(again before anyone else even announced they were running) was supposed to suppress any opposing Democratic candidates. Then once the primary gets started, have your former campaign manager who is now in charge of the DNC to support you over other Democratic candidates. Is this part of the "I don't get it" tactic that Clinton supporters use? That Sanders manages to compete at all is incredible. No one else survived Clinton's un-(small d)democratic campaign.
And I won't miss seeing cut and paste talking points.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)I know that the DNC reviews all changes to party rules
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)beautiful thing about democracy.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)The DNC credentials and rules committees will have the final say here
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)...they CANNOT apply those rules to Superdelegates.
4bucksagallon
(975 posts)Just let me know.... Although more exposure never hurts on important issues like this, I will honor whatever you say.... Mine will more than likely be hidden anyway I am being shadowed by those that don't like Bernie and have had two TYT videos hidden in the last two weeks. What is it they call it "alert stalking"?
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Thanks for the thread, stlsaxman.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)The State of Maine (or any other State) can't "abolish" Superdelegates; nor can they order Superdelegates to vote for the winner of the State Caucus or the national vote or use any other criteria. SDs are appointed by the DNC, and given the right to vote for the candidate of their choice by the DNC. All Maine can do is direct their DNC members to push for a change in the Primary rules.