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Fri May 13, 2016, 04:23 AM

TYT:Hillary’s Lead Over Trump Has Completely Evaporated

I don't care where you fall on the Sanders/Clinton divide, but this recent polling should be a wake-up call.



My opinion, based on this polling is that Sanders is a much better candidate going into this current political cycle. No matter if you are feeling the Bern or with Hillary, the stark fact is that Clinton has enormous baggage going into the General. Whether true or not true, her many "scandals" and "mis-statements" have created a situation where she has an abysmal trust-worthy rating. While she is very popular among Democrats, but she is not outside of the Party. What is her stratagem going to be for the General? What about the Democratic Party? It's not Democrats and the rest of the Left (largely) that are the issue here. It's the other 2/3 of the population.

So here is my message to the politically cynical and the pragmatic among those of us who haven't voted yet; If you don't want Trump, vote for Sanders.

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Reply TYT:Hillary’s Lead Over Trump Has Completely Evaporated (Original post)
blackspade May 2016 OP
StayFrosty May 2016 #1
PotatoChip May 2016 #5
OwlinAZ May 2016 #10
ejbr May 2016 #15
Dawgs May 2016 #24
CountAllVotes May 2016 #2
Mike Nelson May 2016 #3
MrMickeysMom May 2016 #7
OwlinAZ May 2016 #12
Chico Man May 2016 #17
Javaman May 2016 #30
OwlinAZ May 2016 #39
HeartoftheMidwest May 2016 #16
Dawgs May 2016 #25
crim son May 2016 #4
Cosmocat May 2016 #9
Baobab May 2016 #37
stonecutter357 May 2016 #6
Dawgs May 2016 #27
A Simple Game May 2016 #8
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #11
pengu May 2016 #18
silvershadow May 2016 #19
pengu May 2016 #22
silvershadow May 2016 #23
pengu May 2016 #26
silvershadow May 2016 #31
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #21
Dawgs May 2016 #28
Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #34
Turbineguy May 2016 #13
randr May 2016 #33
Turbineguy May 2016 #35
randr May 2016 #36
nikto May 2016 #14
silvershadow May 2016 #32
JDPriestly May 2016 #38
nikto May 2016 #40
INdemo May 2016 #20
Kip Humphrey May 2016 #29

Response to blackspade (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:30 AM

1. Here's some more polls

Let's see if TYT make a video about these.

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Response to StayFrosty (Reply #1)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:50 AM

5. And here is Sanders vs Trump for comparison purposes.

(Sorry for the copy & paste job. I don't know how to do screenshots).

Polling Data
Poll Date Sample MoE
Sanders (D)
Trump (R)
Spread
RCP Average 4/11 - 5/9 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 51.8 38.8 Sanders +13.0
PPP (D) 5/6 - 5/9 (1222 RV) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 3.2 50 39 Sanders +11
CNN/ORC 4/28 - 5/1 (890 RV) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 3.5 56 40 Sanders +16
IBD/TIPP 4/22 - 4/2 (814 RV) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 3.5 50 38 Sanders +12
USA Today/Suffolk 4/20 - 4/24 (1000 LV) -- -- -- 3.0 52 37 Sanders +15
GWU/Battleground 4/17 - 4/20 (1000 LV) -- -- 3.1 50 40 Sanders +10
FOX News 4/11 - 4/13 (1021 RV) -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 3.0 53 39 Sanders +14
All General Election: Trump vs. Sanders Polling Data

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #5)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:14 AM

10. Evidently those numbers do not matter to

 

the Third Way democrats.

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #5)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:25 AM

15. But...

"Crazy Bernie" has not been attacked by the sane Twitter warrior Trump.

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Response to StayFrosty (Reply #1)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:23 AM

24. So, you didn't watch the video.

 

That's all you had to say.

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Response to blackspade (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:39 AM

2. Repeat of 2008

Looks very familiar. She thought she had it in the bag v. Obama too. That didn't work out so hot did it?

Sanders 2016 = The Best candidate that can WIN the Democratic election for the next President of the United States!

Go Bernie!!!

#FeelTheBern

& recommend.

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Response to blackspade (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:39 AM

3. Respectfully...

...do not agree. Hillary will do fine against Trump. The Republicans will turn Bernie Sanders into a crazed Stalin - and drive his negatives way up. He would be okay, too, but these polls do not factor in the certain negative campaign against him. So, this is not, in my opinion, an argument for Bernie over Hillary. There are others, but this is not one of them.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:57 AM

7. And, yet, there are no polls to support this...

That's likely because you don't get out enough to talk to Republicans, which is a routine for me where I live.. Or, for that matter, phone bank, which is what I've been doing all along across the primary/caucus states. Yes, there are some R's who can't tell the difference between a commie and Bernie, but they can't tie their shoes half the time.

There are no negatives with the majority of persons who will decide this election and get out to vote. Over 50% of the electorate is in that category as Independents. The Republicans who cannot stand Trump would rather either stay home in November or vote Bernie.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:16 AM

12. Can't be done

 

Bernie has a whole lifetime of honesty and ideological purity behind him though he has demonstrated the ability to work with the opposition. He is trusted and Hillary is not.

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Response to OwlinAZ (Reply #12)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:36 AM

17. Every time I hear the phrase "ideological purity"

It makes me think of a crazed Stalin.

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #17)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:29 AM

30. so, let me get this straight...

you are comparing stalin to Bernie supporters or to Bernie himself?

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Response to Chico Man (Reply #17)

Fri May 13, 2016, 11:54 PM

39. It shouldn't.

 

To me it means unwavering morality.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:25 AM

16. That is an extremely worn and tired talking point.

"Bernie's a commie." People have been hearing that since last year, and it doesn't wash...maybe it did initially, but with what scant coverage the media have given Sen. Sanders, people see him differently now. Among all of my blue-collar family ( some union, some not ) in Ohio, and among my family in Florida ( small business owners; vote Republican sometimes, but ALWAYS vote more practical than ideological ) they are all disgusted by Trump, but equally averse to Ms. Clinton. They want Sen. Sanders, based on his plans to resuscitate the middle class. They prosper when America prospers...and the status quo is KILLING them. ( Hint: Ms. Clinton offers only the status quo: that's why she is NOT drawing crowds in the tens of thousands, and that's why her events are closed to the general public***. )

***Not talking about pre-selected crowds of "supporters."

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #3)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:24 AM

25. And what will they turn Hillary into? WTF! Is she immune from being attacked now.

 

That logic is insane.

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Response to blackspade (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:54 AM

4. Republicans' have flexible values

and will vote for whatever candidate isn't a Democrat. Democrats are different and the "Bernie or Bust" movement reflects the fact. Furthermore, numerous polls which we were advised were meaningless, told us earlier this year that Bernie had a good chance against Trump while Clinton was going to have problems.

I hope all Democrats get out and vote for the nominee but I know an awful lot who say they will not.

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Response to crim son (Reply #4)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:13 AM

9. Definitely some fundamental differences between "righties" and "lefties"

CONS are nothing if not incredibly pliable and obedient pods.

Three weeks ago the whole histronics over STOP TRUMP were in full bloom, today, they are dutifully getting behind him.

Meanwhile, they don't use the the quip, "herding cats" when talking about liberals for no reason.

I do suspect that once it is settled, and time passes, there will be a good portion who are digging their heels in now who will bite their lip and vote Hillary when the time comes.

The simple reality is that it is going to play out that she wins the nomination.

What some of these polls are reflecting is where the primary is now - Rs falling behind Trump mostly, Ds still split with Bernie still fighting the good fight.

We really can't get a real sense of how it is looking until a few weeks after the convention and everyone cools off a bit.

Trump was always getting that 40% of the R electorate in the general.

The question is that lingering 15% or so between the rock solid Rs and rock solid Ds ...

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #9)

Fri May 13, 2016, 04:41 PM

37. Which one is which? Since Hillary went GOP, lots of people likely said to hell with it.

maybe that was their intent, since despite their efforts, Bernie might win.

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Response to blackspade (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:51 AM

6. just about as far from the truth as it can be.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #6)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:25 AM

27. How would you know?

 

Did you watch it?

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Response to blackspade (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:04 AM

8. And when Trump goes on TV and shows the world

the cancelled check with Hillary's name on it and points out the favor he got for it... she's down another 10 points.

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Response to blackspade (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:14 AM

11. I heard Markos of Daily Kos on the radio yesterday predicting Hillary would beat Trump handily

 

if not by a landslide. FWIW.

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #11)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:40 AM

18. kos has been in the tank for Clinton since the start

That's one of the reasons I'm here now instead of there. He's been just insufferable this primary.

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Response to pengu (Reply #18)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:44 AM

19. Hasn't he? I quit going to DK months ago. nt

 

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #19)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:12 AM

22. I went cold turkey on dkos and stopped going there

I had been a regular poster since 2006.

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Response to pengu (Reply #22)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:14 AM

23. Yep. Me too. It was back when he called the race over back

 

in March, I think it was. Haven't been back since, save once or twice when I saw specific posts I wanted to look at. He must have enough money now to make it on his own.

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #23)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:24 AM

26. "Bernie's ceiling is 20%"

lol

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Response to pengu (Reply #26)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:33 AM

31. Yeah. Right.

 

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Response to pengu (Reply #18)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:12 AM

21. yeah... I know. But his analysis of the GE was still interesting

 

I would be so happy to have Dems win in a blowout across the board this Fall...

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #11)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:26 AM

28. He also predicted Michelle Malkin to win the 2012 primary.

 

After that I wouldn't trust him to predict the weather five minutes from now.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #28)

Fri May 13, 2016, 09:45 AM

34. huh, really? Weird!

 

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Response to blackspade (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:19 AM

13. The Democratic Party has the chance to lose this election.

And they may take it. They've done it before. I hope they don't lose.

No matter who the nominee turns out to be.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #13)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:52 AM

33. It has long been noted that the Democratic Partys best attribute

is grabbing loss out of sure victory.
And who are the only people who did not see this coming?

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Response to randr (Reply #33)

Fri May 13, 2016, 02:59 PM

35. As Sir Humphrey Appleby would put it:

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #35)

Fri May 13, 2016, 03:18 PM

36. Yeah, thats what I meant

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Response to blackspade (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 06:24 AM

14. And get ready for The Mid-October Surprise

 

That's when GOP operatives release the ENTIRE audio and transcripts of
Hillary's Goldman Sachs speeches.

HC is naive if she thinks she can get away with keeping them secret.

If they are not released willingly by HC (as she should do) and mitigated months ahead of time ...

Look for it in mid-to-late October.

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Response to nikto (Reply #14)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:34 AM

32. I am fully expecting it. nt

 

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Response to nikto (Reply #14)

Fri May 13, 2016, 05:45 PM

38. Right. There is no doubt at least one unauthorized copy of one very embarrassing speech out

There, and Trump will see to it that it is released at what will be the "right" time for him. He knows how to. Find and buy things. And someone close to Hillary might doublecross her if someone on Wall Street doesn't.

Hillary is making herself look downright dishonest by not releasing the speeches. Another situation in which the cover-up is probably worse than the truth.

Hillary needs to release the transcripts now.

Her delay makes them appear to be worse than they possibly could be, and her release of them would mean that her embarrassment occurs now rather than right later. Later they will be interpreted most harshly, and more people will be paying attention.

She is demonstrating once again bad judgment and poor strategy.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #38)

Sat May 14, 2016, 12:02 AM

40. Exactamente

 



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Response to blackspade (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:04 AM

20. When Hillary began her quest for the White House

 

she put together one-hell-of-a treasure chest which included millions in PAC money.
She might have thought she was the anointed one and that with a Billion dollars to work with and the Corporate Mafia on her side she could buy her way into the White House.
It all falls back to one simple fact; If the voters would have wanted Hillary Clinton they would given her the job in 2008.

It is going to be very difficult to wake up on post election morning and discover that
Donald Trump, the fascist had just been elected President.

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Response to blackspade (Original post)

Fri May 13, 2016, 07:29 AM

29. That took about... one week.

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