Let’s Call Establishment Dems What They Are: REPUBLICANS

[Stellar]

Published on May 13, 2016
The Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia is going to be sponsored by the worst of the worst. Healthcare lobbyists, proponents of fracking, and even Comcast will be hosting the event, as DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz has decided to lift the convention’s ban on lobbyists. America’s Lawyer Mike Papantonio talks about the fall of the Democratic Party with Thom Hartmann.

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[CrowCityDem]

1. No, no, no, and NO

Establishment Democrats are not Republicans.

They don't want to deport twelve million people from this country. They don't want to make racism and discrimination the law of the land. They don't want to throw millions of people off their health insurance. They don't want to eliminate the minimum wage. They don't want to take us back to the 50s, etc., etc.

Only someone who doesn't know what a Republican is today would say such a stupid thing.

[LiberalElite]

5. IMO this

is correct. Establishment Dems are de facto Republicans now due to the extreme shift to the right that this country has experienced in the past 30 or so years. There once was a place for nearly everyone in this two-party system. NOT SO ANYMORE - for Democrats OR Republicans. There were once conservative, moderate and liberal Democrats and conservative, moderate and liberal Republicans! We all fit in two parties that had a place for nearly everyone on the political spectrum. Now, establishment Dems are what liberal-to-moderate Republicans once were - before that entire political party became overrun by right wing fanatics. The whole country has shifted to the right and that is how the Establishment Dems now behave like Republicans.

P.S. The shift to the right for the Democratic Party was exacerbated by the election of Bill Clinton, who I actually voted for TWICE while wondering what the hell was happening to MY Party. Now I know better.

[Baobab]

11. Most Americans don't agree with the agenda being pushed by the leadership of either party.

They live in ignorance of it.

That's the whole idea of the 3 t-deals, to lock-in that bad policy forever so that it doesn't matter who or what people vote for, politicians in individual countries and their laws and people won't be able to change anything.

That's the real goal of any and all t deals - they don't boost business, that's for sure.


A very solid argument can even be made that extreme concentration of wealth is BAD for business BUT THEY DONT CARE.

[Malteil]

16. I agree...

John Kasich has been referred to as a moderate republican. If you look at his policies, they really line up with the likes of Bob Dole who was once considered an arch-conservative. Everything has moved so far to the right since the late 70's and early 80's that a lot of democrats would have once been republicans, i'm thinking of Hillary and the blue dogs here. If you don't agree, ask your elders or read a book. This slow creep to the right has been a scary thing to watch over the years.

[shakedown1970]

13. I see you have already introduced your head to the sand.

Or did not watch the video.

[LuvLoogie]

2. Did Thom write a book about it?

Mike Papantonio is going to vote for Hillary.

[TDale313]

3. I think Corporatists is more to the point.

And it's disgusting. They can whine all they want that we're being unfair- that it doesn't effect their decision making. Bull fucking shit.

[BlueMTexpat]

4. Is that you, Ralph Nader?

Thank you for screwing up the US - and the world - in 2000 for pushing this narrative. Please. Go. Away.

Anyone who continues to push this narrative on DU should be PPRed once and for all, IMO.

[still_one]

6. Kick and rec!!!!!!!!!

[Malteil]

17. ahhhhh yes...

That is such an american thing to say now days. "If you don't agree with me don't talk..." You must really love Democracy.

[Zambero]

7. Let's call false equivalency what it is

False Equivalency. Now let's go look up the word "nuance". Conservatives have never related to that term, and some progressives would also do well to get a better understanding.

Any debate that relies on a simplistic "Therefore, Therefore, Therefore, Bingo!" rationale has a very weak premise.

[Major Nikon]

8. Results...

On Sat May 14, 2016, 10:09 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Let’s Call Establishment Dems What They Are: REPUBLICANS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017370713

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Democrats do NOT = Republicans and DU should not provide a forum for any of this crap.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat May 14, 2016, 10:22 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bad subject line but valid topic for debate, at least until the primary is over. If you disagree with the OP, take this opportunity to present your reasons.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is the DEMOCRATIC Underground.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I for one am not an establishment democrat. I am a democrat. Stuff like this does not belong on Democratic Underground
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is a valid point. We have a serious problem with all of our politicians being bought off by big money Plutocrats. Just because you want to deny the truth doesn't make this post bad!

[Babel_17]

9. Don't hide it, discuss it

"Debbie Wasserman Schultz has decided to lift the convention’s ban on lobbyists"

And that's not important, because ...?

[Thinkingabout]

10. When you discover who a Democrat really is and thinks, get back to us who are Democrats.

[Buzz cook]

12. Well when leftist in the party

kicked out union influence due to union support of the Vietnam war it ironically moved the party to the right.

When leftist supported Nader and the result was that Gore would have won anyway without their support, had the votes been counted, ironically the party moved to the right.

When leftist insisted that a DINO was the new liberal hope in 2008, ironically the party moved to the right.

There are lots of reason's why the democratic party is further right than it was in the thirties. Some of them require that the left look in the mirror.

[MrMickeysMom]

14. And, YET.... We have people here indicating that Bernie Sanders Democrats are not real...

These people defy the term, real.

Get real when the cues are give from corporate lobbyists, and the news cycle follows the same orders, all the while with each state's super-delegates chosen to commit to Clinton before Sanders ever got in the race.

Up and DOWN, black is WHITE, peace is WAR, and these people think they're going to have a DEMOCRATIC convention?

Balls!

[132nd Last Angry Man]

15. 2016 Election:

Conservative Dem vs. Batshit Crazy.

[JosephAlanWatson]

18. True.

This is true sadly.