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"A Message for the DNC: Bernie Sanders isn't Destroying the Democratic Party, You Are"
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tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Is this real life?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)#2 she only supports Bernie so she can have access to the boys.
There, I think that pretty much says it all
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Party.
What she's saying is that she doesn't, and the the DNC and the Clinton campaign have done lots to discourage true Lefties, from wherever they come, to be part of the Democratic Party.
She doesn't say she "infiltrated". It is not even clear that she never was part of the Democratic Party before.
What is clear is that she sees the corruption and Right-embracing tactics, policies, habits, philosophies of the Establishment Democratic Party, despite their many, many smokescreens.
It is so clear the Democratic Party, not always Progressive, took many rightward turns in the 90's, as a way to counteract the popularity of "the Reagan Revolution". The triangulating, the deregulation, the Telecommunications Act, the trade deals, the compromises, all have weakened, in fact, the Progressive meaning and impact of the Democratic Party. This intelligent young woman clearly has a point, and so many have seen it and Bernie has been a thorn in delusional thinking's side by continually pointing it out.
I am sure that party leaders are scared, if they think the can sit still and feed us the same old corporatist bullshit. I am so grateful to Bernie for running such a strong, formidable campaign that points out so much more truth than we are used to hearing in this overwhelmingly delusional and often corrupt country.
She is also right in that the DNC and Hillary could easily embrace the Bernie supporters and ride on to victory, if only they really wanted to be the Progressive kind of Democratic Party that has been much, much, much more successful over the course of the last 100 years than this new kind of Democrat that basically sells out to Republican values. Check it out. Check out the presidencies of FDR and and legacy he left, which lasted for decades and decades.
Check out also the salient facts that point to this being a time that is strategically better for a Progressive candidate and Party than a regressive one.
People are still hungry and needing of change. Wealth inequality is off the charts. Barack Obama did best in 2008 running a very Progressive-sound campaign. Occupy Wall Street attracted more attention, more people, and lasted far longer than anyone would have expected from such a radical group. Bernie Sanders has shown the popularity of Progressive ideas and policies, coming from essentially nowhere and with little expectations to challenge the most powerful political team on earth. Hillary had stayed in the running during this primary through adopting or mimicking many of Bernie's positions - to the point where there are jokes on SNL that she's actually morphing into Bernie Sanders. Finally, Donald Trump is accepted as the Republican nominee.
No, we are not living in the days of Reagan anymore. The same old tired 90's tricks are not going to work. Too many people are hip to how destructive these Clintonian tactics actually were, and they are ready for something "new". That something new should be a return to the proud Democratic traditions of old, and that is something this young lady would seemingly fervently embrace.
But no, there are indications that the Clinton machine will stick to its old formula and turn these kind of people away.
It's a shame. This is a kind of shining moment when we all could come together and achieve an amazing victory through being true Democratic Progressives. I still hold out hope for it, because it's the better strategy and the more inclusive one. But I have gotten used to the Democratic Party being only marginally less idiotic than the Republicans, that's the path they chose when they decided to imitate Reagan.
C'mon folks. Let's unite around a Progressive platform, for real, no matter what else we do or who we nominate.
I'll confess, that's also what I am for. And I'm not ready to settle for the SOS/same old shit anymore. What I do in November will depend very much on how the Democratic Party chooses to act, and the signs are sometimes OK but largely not very good.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)You make very convincing arguments. I didn't mean to imply that she had done anything wrong. She did admit in the video that she doesn't love the the party and only became a Democrat to vote for Bernie.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)I admit that it's her use of the word "anymore" that raises some doubt in my mind as to whether or not she has been a Democrat in the past.
To me, the overall point of her video is not about infiltration but about how hard it is to feel comfortable for a traditional Leftie in the Democratic Party anymore, and this has been going on for a few decades, and it is arguably an unsuccessful direction in the past, the present, and the future.
You probably know there is a movement to leave the Democratic Party after one votes in primaries. This is a suggestion for longtime Democrats as well as everyone else.
Something must be done sometime, somewhere by those who are disenchanted with the direction of the Democratic Party to make a dent in the consciousness of what increasingly look like "party bosses".
I am not saying this is right, but you gotta admit it's hard to break the bubble that the Democrats are in. Their bubble is in some ways stronger that that of the Republicans.
I personally hate to be involved in bubbles of wrong-thinking consciousness (including thoughts and action), and that is rampant in the Democratic Party that I am currently in.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Your love, your allegiance is to the country not a party, that is part of what is wrong with us, too much allegiance to a party and not the country.
The party is secondary, the fact that the neocons are crazy doesn't mean that the original ideology of the republican party is crazy, it is the people who are running the republican party who are crazy and the fact that people who vote republican do not realize that is sad, they think they are part of a team and their team should win anyway possible, they don't understand that voting brings enormous consequences, bad or good, depending on who wins.
She is right, if Trump wins it will be on the DNC's head, they have created this animosity against the people who support Sanders, and the fact that Bernie pulls a yuuge amounts of young people who do not care for either party but care listening to a message that, if only 1/2 would be accomplished would make this country a better place, has enraged them towards Hillary, if they think they are doing Hillary any favours then they are crazy too, they are damaging her because all the bad wrap is falling on her, whether she is part guilty or not. I know people who did not like Hillary to begin with but had said they would vote for her if she became the nominee, well the DNC have changed their minds, they don't want to vote for her anymore, and now I am finding I have a job I was not ready for, to try to convince them to, if we have to.
Unfortunately, the DNC's work may give Trump the win, and if Hillary becomes the nominee, Bernie will have to rally his supporters to avoid a worst scenario, regardless of if you like Hillary or not. I hope Bernie is the nominee, but if not then the choice is clear.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)which is key to changing the Congress in a more progressive direction.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)when we failed to support some DINO's in House races in red states, and lost our majority that way.
tirebiter
(2,536 posts)She looks a helluvalot like Schultz
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)If the Democrats didn't want Clinton 8 years ago, what makes anyone think she is somehow the right candidate for the country after 8 more years have passed by?
Didn't the country reach past the first dry piece of bread the first time for something more palatable and worthy of the office of President, and now we are somehow told there are no other slices, so that first dried end-piece we skipped over previously is all we have to pick from -- that, after sitting around for 8 years since? Seriously?
Frankly, I'm in the mood for some seasoned Jewish rye
* bread analogy in honor of Cheese Sandwich 
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)point out that that loaf may be past its sell-by date. 
Yeah, I know.
I'm heading that direction myself, though, and have become very aware of how aging seems to speed up, a bit like the changes of childhood but in reverse.
Has it occurred to you to wonder what Bernie's ratings might be if he were, say...65 and not moving carefully as if arthritis was eating up his neck and shoulders?
As for someone infiltrating the party, happens all the time. The rest of the story, of course, is that a whole lot of this year's infiltrators are conservatives who really don't love Bernie at all either.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)This should be required viewing for all young people who want to take their country back from the oligarchs.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)I totally agree with her and I'm probably older than her Mother.
This election has totally opened up my eyes to the corruption of both parties. I was so naive before and I'm ashamed but you know why? Because when I was learning politics in the 70s, our President had to resign and I thought they were all corrupt. And I guess my first instincts were right. I didn't vote for decades!
I'll vote for Hillary but I'll have a puke bucket next to me if I have to because that's how I feel about the Clintons, the DNC and this girl totally spelled it out for me.
#FeelTheBern
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)thanks for that link. That is beautiful. It gives me hope. thanks Kip.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)and I'm in my 60's. There are MANY of us in this age group that agree with you.
I'm fed up and not going to take it anymore. I'm done with SOS politics (Lies, corruption, rigging, etc). I am with this girl 100%. People aren't going to put up with it anymore. And because the DNC and this entire primary election have been rigged, it will cost the queen her coronation. I am a life long dem, and this may be the first time ever, that I sit out, or possibly pencil in Bernie.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Like you, I'm in my 60's and a lifelong Dem. This election is about my children and grand children. A Bernie Sanders comes along once in a lifetime so you and I will not see another. It is way past time we set right the wrongs our generation has wrought on our country and the world. Join me.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)We owe it to them.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Our first primary ever and couldn't be prouder.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)typical of people who don't vote, don't run for office, and talk too much.
Any idiot can yell, "the coach is an idiot for calling that play" or "I would just have bombed them" or whatever. The RW (and Bernie) have fed this bunch of naive people a story they like to hear, but it's simply not factual.
What's the cause of inequality (BTW, it's not Wall Street.)? Why does society have injustice (BTW, it's not fundamentally economic.)?
The only reason this woman can go to college and vote (my grandmother couldn't) is because of the Democratic party. She wants to yap and "may or may not vote" (we know that most her age will NOT vote), but she won't spend a few years in the trenches.
The DNC is YOU!! If your party isn't what you want; if your union isn't what you want; if your school or society isn't what you want - then get out there and CHANGE IT!! Don't sit there and spout off and quit! Don't be an "independent" who fails to commit to anything that's uncomfortable. Why not join the Socialist party...volunteer for the Peace Corps or Americorps! Arm chair generals are not credible.
Why do you benefit from Title IX? What do you have the right to vote? Can you sue if you're discriminated against as a woman? In part, thank the Clintons!!
She won't vote...because she has something else to do like make videos.
I've been in the trenches since the 60s, and I'm still there. I've been on the street corners, been an elected union leader, and I still stick my neck out everyday. I started out picking tobacco alongside migrants, burns a draft card, and worked my way through school in a textile mill. Local candidates or President - get your butt out and do something. After 40 years as an educator, I still see SOME with this attitude - and it's nothing new - who want to complain, but rarely get dirty.
Fortunately, there are actually some who actually speak softly, but roll up their sleeves.
If you want to hear from someone who is more thoughtful, go to this link and read the whole story!!
https://shiksappeal.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/berned-by-bernie-sanders/
Meanwhile, I became more frustrated because Hillary Clinton was including us in every speech, ad campaign, debate performance and even intersectionality graphics of disabled people of color in her literature. She issued press releases supporting the Disability Integration Act, which requires Obamacare plans to cover long-term care for people with disabilities, and talked about sub-minimum wage, a construct by which employers can legally pay the disabled less than minimum wage. Bernie either never did this or lagged behind, as if he was only doing it because Hillary was. I sincerely felt as though Hillary was just paying lip service to us and that Bernie was simply uninformed.
Those of you who are Bernie or Bust, like I was, please, I beg of you, consider my personal experience. Google me. Find me on Facebook and Twitter. See for yourselves that I was Bernie or Bust, that I’m not some Wall Street attorney rolling in money. I am a disabled woman, struggling to make ends meet and to pay my medical bills. But I now recognize that Clinton is the only candidate willing to make the effort to effect the change we need. We cannot afford Trump or Bernie in the White House. They will only be given enough power to destroy what fragment of the American Dream we have left.
djean111
(14,255 posts)What a load of tripe. How very dramatic!!!!!!
If this person is counting on Third Way Hillary to follow through on any of her campaign blather, she is sadly mistaken.
She will continue to struggle to make ends meet and pay her medical bills. Hillary is not going to make that any better, what with the trade agreements and keeping the ACA intact.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)from someone who lives it...not just someone who talks a lot.
djean111
(14,255 posts)She has not been "berned". She is just reacting to campaign speeches.
This is just rhetoric. And the assumption that Hillary would actually follow through on campaign blather is very naive.
She is just getting emotional about campaign rhetoric.
IMO it is naive to trust either Clinton. The Third Way slashes safety nets, it does not strengthen them.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)After working to elect Jimmy Carter, I worked for Richard Riley (two term governor of SC and Bill Clinton's Sec. of Ed) in the 80s. I saw first hand what Bill and Hillary BOTH did for children and education!
I've also seen the work of the Clinton Foundation more recently: https://www.clintonfoundation.org/blog/2015/06/12/too-small-fail-and-its-partners-recognized-helping-communities-take-action
You cannot be more wrong. If you are there in the schools and working with parents..you see what the Clintons have done. That's why they are so popular with minority and immigrants. They have both earned it.
djean111
(14,255 posts)I wonder how many of those parents lost their jobs, due to NAFTA?
I wonder how many of those children's families lost benefits when Bill slashed the welfare rolls?
I wonder how many men, women, and children have been harmed by the armed conflicts Hillary seems to relish.
I wonder how many people will continue to have expensive health insurance that they cannot afford to use, under Hillary's "the ACA is just fine!" administration.
The Clinton Foundation, IMO, is a money-laundering enterprise. Give them a wad of money, get a nice arms deal. And the Clintons sure screwed Haiti over.
No, thanks.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Textile mills were almost slavery. My family worked there for decades. NAFTA wasn't all bad. Now replaced by BMW, Michelin, and Beechcraft!! Of course, the South still has many issues with unionization, so the battle continues.
http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-immigrants-silly-tribal-and-economically-illiterate-358369
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-12-30/nafta-20-years-after-neither-miracle-nor-disaster
http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/1212/pros-and-cons-of-nafta.aspx
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/u-s-economy-since-nafta-18-charts/
http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/nafta-20-years-later-benefits-outweigh-costs/
http://www.ttgconsultants.com/articles/freetrade.html
More importantly today are the 25% in Florida born outside of the US, tuition equity (not available in Vermont), and medicaid. You need to get in there and work with people who really need social justice.
Many immigrants in Florida and small businesses in the Sun Belt would welcome PARTS of the TPP - but not others. Isolationism is not the answer. A path to citizenship for 30 million living in the US now is the answer.
Hillary has it right. That's why most unions support her platform.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Not a word can be changed. Not a word. That is why Obama pushed so hard for Fast Track. No changes, no deletions, no amendments.
And Union leadership supports Hillary - not all the rank and file do.
IMO Hillary would preside over more war and fracking and job losses and safety net slashing. She does not even pretend that she will not. And those things will affect EVERYBODY adversely. In the here and now, and in the future. That is what counts.
That is what the Third Way does. I will not be supporting that. And if Hillary is so popular, than you won't miss my support, right? That's a rhetorical question. No need to reply.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)We polled our members, had chapter meetings, and analyzed positions. In our state, Bernie would be a third choice because of his tax on union negotiated, retirement funds of public employees, his lack of support for HBCUs, and votes that were considered anti-immigrant. Also, we have big issues with guns in schools and on college campuses. Bernie's votes again were cited as inconsistent with our positions. Educators preferred Hillary by far.
I am the "rank and file", and members can vote for any member they want as officers. It's volunteer and a lot of work for the vast majority of union officers who step up, bargain contracts, and take on the boss.
It's tough to see in when change will cost jobs, but I have a brother and brother-in-law who have good jobs in the energy industry - an those companies will have to be replaced entirely with new technologies. They are both nearing retirement, and one just had his company bought out!! Fossil fuels will have to go away like buggy whips!
Hillary and Obama get it!! You have to transition from old sources to new with training, subsidizing new startups, and investing. You can't just throw people on the street. No, I won't miss your support. I'm standing with millions of progressives who live and work every day - and want a fair and just country.
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Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)It was mostly GOP-held legislatures that passed it on the state level, and it took a GOP midterm landslide in 1918 to shake it loose in Congress. I'm a proud Democrat, but you have to give credit where credit is due.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Here's a summary with some details...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/09/15/carly-fiorinas-claim-that-the-gop-is-the-party-of-womens-suffrage/
The 19th Amendment to the Constitution, of course, gave women the right to vote. It was passed by Congress on June 4, 1919, and ratified on Aug. 18, 1920. The president at the time was Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat, and the Web site of the Democratic Party uses that hook to also lay claim to the trophy: “Under the leadership of Democratic President Woodrow Wilson, the U.S. Constitution was amended to grant women the right to vote.”
But the reality is more complicated – and the facts are generally on Fiorina’s side. Still, for the longest time, neither party gave much more than lip service to the cause of suffrage.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)The Clinton campaign is saying it's time to unite,
yet too many Clinton supporters continue to alienate Sanders supporters.
How do you bring us all together while pushing millions of Sanders voters away?
djean111
(14,255 posts)The DNC is not pushing me away so much as I am leaving in disgust. Down here in Florida, DWS openly campaigns for her GOP buddies.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)to bring Sanders supporters to the Clinton side cuz according to her she won the nomination. Neither her or Sanders are going to get enough delegates to secure the nomination. This is going to convention, as it should. So until this thing is over there will be no peace within the party.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)there. He might get 75% and that would get him the delegates he needs. It may be as high as 3 mil new regs and they are mostly young and Hispanics. Will be interesting to watch.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They are making a huge mistake.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)It's a shame we're living in times when a party that actually reflected traditional FDR populist party values would be kicking ass... But instead the majority of American voters have shifted to Independent status..
Essentially a growing majority of Americans are choosing a non-party status with no real representation over what once was the party of the people?
Doesn't bode well for the current 3rd way establishment of the Democratic party, who over the last thirty years didn't just stand by while this country degenerated into a plutocracy, they helped it along..
jwirr
(39,215 posts)not particularly happy either. I was supposed to phonebank last night for a candidate that I actually like. I just could not make myself go. Very angry at the way the conventions and the party are being run.
